SIL is mad- this should be fun at Easter

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We both work in the same district. We are negotiating a contract. She has 16 years in and if the new contract goes thru she will get a $22,000 a year raise and make over $80,000.I have two masters and 12 years in and will get a $3,000 dollar raise and make less then $55,000. They asked us to stop doing extra paid jobs. I can't because I can't afford to. She is mad at me now. I want to send her my bills and tell her to pay them. 

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Mar 28, 2013 18:23:54 GMT -5 AutumnRose25 said:

I'm confused....why is she mad?

Because I won't quit the extra jobs. She feels quitting will put pressure on the administration to give us a contract. 

[ginger]

Your SIL is an ass.

/gavel!

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Mar 28, 2013 18:27:08 GMT -5 AutumnRose25 said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:24:58 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Because I won't quit the extra jobs. She feels quitting will put pressure on the administration to give us a contract. 

Huh?  *-)  

We are teachers and extras are lunch, tutoring etc. if we quit nobody would be available. 

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Mar 28, 2013 18:29:27 GMT -5 nicbreeful said:

Can your job ask you to not take side jobs? That doesn't seem right..

We are in union. They can tell us to. 

[moolarkey]

Both teach in same school district. District & teachers are negotiating a new contract.

If contract goes through, SIL with a BS and no masters but 16 years in district gets 22K raise to over 80K per year.

OP has 12 in years in district, BS and 2 masters but would only get a 3K raise and be making under 55K. She needs to work extra jobs to make ends meet.

Teacher's union wants all teachers to quit their extra jobs - not sure if that is jobs like working part-time in retail or if they mean coaching sports, advising clubs, etc. but they feel if everyone quits their secondary jobs the district will be willing to approved the contract.

OP - did I get it right?

[cleo29]

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

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Mar 28, 2013 18:31:25 GMT -5 moolarkey said:

Both teach in same school district. District & teachers are negotiating a new contract.

If contract goes through, SIL with a BS and no masters but 16 years in district gets 22K raise to over 80K per year.

OP has 12 in year, BS and 2 masters but would only get a 3K raise and be making under 55K. She needs to work extra jobs to make ends meet.

Teacher's union wants all teachers to quit their extra jobs - not sure if that is jobs like working part-time in retial or if they mean coaching sports, advising clubs, etc. but they feel if everyone quits their secondary jobs the district will be willing to approved the contract.

OP - did I get it right?

Yes thanks!! 

[joenali]

Mar 28, 2013 18:32:12 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

One has more seniority than the other.

[sugarbear]

This discrepancy in salaries makes no sense. You have two masters and 4 years less experience, and will earn almost $30k less than her?

It seems that the more important question is, why aren't YOU pissed?

[sugarbear]

Mar 28, 2013 18:34:16 GMT -5 joenali said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:32:12 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

One has more seniority than the other.

But only 4 years?
Then again, our scale tops out at 15 years.

[cleo29]

Mar 28, 2013 18:34:16 GMT -5 joenali said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:32:12 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

One has more seniority than the other.

I get that, but I guess I thought having higher degrees could off-set that a bit.

[eb777888]

My IL's are always mad at me. That's why we do holidays with just me, S and H. I'm totally serious. I'm tired of the drama so we see them when it's not a holiday so they can't screw it up, lol.

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Mar 28, 2013 18:32:12 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

Yup! Because it was how the salary guide was voted on in the past. 

[cleo29]

Mar 28, 2013 18:39:18 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:32:12 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

If you're both teachers in the same district, why such a huge discrepancy in salaries?

Yup! Because it was how the salary guide was voted on in the past. 

Of course it was.

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Mar 28, 2013 18:40:13 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:39:18 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Yup! Because it was how the salary guide was voted on in the past. 

Of course it was.

The old timers like it this way because they make all the money. 

[cleo29]

Mar 28, 2013 18:46:56 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:40:13 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Of course it was.

The old timers like it this way because they make all the money. 

yeah, I was picking up on that. lol

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She can kiss your butt. Your post made complete sense to me. My mom does security duty and a club to earn extra money to pay for my sister's tuition. I hope you get a better contract nonetheless.

[azurely]

This still dies not make sense. So in four years, you'll be making $80k?

[sonrisa]

Mar 28, 2013 18:46:56 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:40:13 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Of course it was.

The old timers like it this way because they make all the money. 

It is ridiculous when unions eat their own like this. It happens again and again. They vote for highly preferential treatment for those who worked there before x date or are part of niche groups. Then over time, that portion ages out and the younger generation feels legitimately screwed over by the union. They understandably aren't as committed to the union causes since the union repeatedly has thrown them under the bus. Over time, the negotiating power of the union drops. So predictable and yet it continues.

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Mar 28, 2013 18:57:37 GMT -5 azurely said:

This still dies not make sense. So in four years, you'll be making $80k?

No because a new contract will have to be signed again.

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Mar 28, 2013 18:53:07 GMT -5 @smace said:

I understand bc it's the teacher's union that is asking all teachers to stop any extra duties outside the bare minimum provisions of their contract, conceivably to force administration to raise everyone's wages.

As with any union situation, those that do not follow the recommendation of the union are looked at pretty harshly by others.

Sucks for people who cannot afford to stop the extra jobs bc extra jobs = extra money.

Obviously daisy's SIL is in a better financial position to follow the unions recommendations. But it sucks she's letting job politics get in the way.

Yes she is. I cannot quit because one day I would like to be an adminstrator and quitting is looked frowned upon. It is a political game. I don't want to argue with her we both are in different postions. 

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I think I would be mad too. I get OP's point but she is still better off with the union than without and they won't strike forever. I would be more interested in trying to change the union.

[hopecounts]

Mar 28, 2013 18:37:40 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:36:18 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

I get that, but I guess I thought having higher degrees could off-set that a bit.

Plus it's only 4yrs, which isn't that many.

My guess is there's a big bump once you hit 15 yrs in.

[karmasabiotch]

Put your differences aside and celebrate the day. Tell her that work and money conversations aren't allowed.

[EmilieMadison]

Whhhaaaaa? I mean, I get the gist of your post because I'm a teacher (although yeah, it was not worded well). But in what kind of backward district there be THAT big of a salary gap based on years and education. In my district, 12 years plus a MA would be making about $8K more than someone with just a BA and 15 years. This (my district) is not atypical regarding lane change salary for most districts from what I've heard.

I'm just really confused about how this happened...

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Mar 28, 2013 19:23:10 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Mar 28, 2013 18:37:40 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Plus it's only 4yrs, which isn't that many.

My guess is there's a big bump once you hit 15 yrs in.

They want to eliminate that. That's what the fighting is over. I will only make $3,000 more then a brand new person. 

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Mar 28, 2013 19:26:15 GMT -5 EmilieMadison said:

Whhhaaaaa? I mean, I get the gist of your post because I'm a teacher (although yeah, it was not worded well). But in what kind of backward district there be THAT big of a salary gap based on years and education. In my district, 12 years plus a MA would be making about $8K more than someone with just a BA and 15 years. This is not atypical lane change salary for most districts from what I've heard.

I'm just really confused about how this could be...

Many people are. It was what people voted on in the past and never changed. 

[hopecounts]

Mar 28, 2013 19:26:42 GMT -5 daisy0721 said:

Mar 28, 2013 19:23:10 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

My guess is there's a big bump once you hit 15 yrs in.

They want to eliminate that. That's what the fighting is over. I will only make $3,000 more then a brand new person. 

I meant generic you, just as an explaination for why your SIL would make so much more.
They the school district or they the teachers want to eliminate the 15 yr bump?

And an experienced teacher with several yrs in making only 3,000 more than a newbie is BS.

[EmilieMadison]

What do you teach? Please say math.