my husband's uncle is a true arrogant asshole.

[saraandmichael]

i know this is fb drama and all, but i just cannot get over this dude. my heart rate seriously intensified after reading this exchange. AND! all of michael's family is like this (perhaps not with the same opinion about the starving african children, but in almost every other way).

I have bolded and italicized the very best part (well, and the original post too).



If you claim to be Pro-choice, at least do this............research Dr. Kermit Gosnell, read all of the articles you can find on him, ask a few questions such as "What was the danger to the mother" and "what would I do if I was in that room" and then just simply ponder the Pro-Life, Pro-choice argument with that new information.
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StatusPoster (first person to like this), thanks for "liking" this. i have found that this particular topic stops people dead in their tracks from responding, because it is so polarizing. too many good people stand silent while bad things happen. if i post something supporting the troops, nobody feels intimidated to respond, nor should they. but bring up abortion, and whoaaaa Nelly, can't let people know how i feel about that one.
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FirstPersonToLikeStatus I had to be told by my father who this "man" (I'm not sure that I can even call him that) because there was ZERO coverage on this mass murderer. I think those who worked for him should be charged as well. It's called being a mandated reporter, even though the crazed pro-abortion community seems to feel that these murdered babies didn't deserve a voice. Thank you for posting this. This was the most appalling crime in my lifetime, yet the big trial is Jodi arias....
Yesterday at 10:50am via mobile · Like · 2

MyHusband Abortion is a pretty binary issue. Not a whole lot of compromise or agreement to be had on this one. I can't say citing an egregious outlier does much to change the conversation. Even pro-choicers would agree that this guy's acts were despicable. For example, if I were to post that I'm against organized religion and cited The Crusades, would it change
your mind about your faith?

One question I have, what did you mean by "can't let people know how I feel about that one?"
Yesterday at 7:38pm · Like · 1

StatusPoster Michael, I mean that most people don't want to publicly comment on sensitive topics, like abortion, or gay marriage or opposition to a mosque at the site of the Twin Towers to cite a few examples, for fear they will be labeled. I hate labels. As for this guy being an outlier, he was not alone in that room, and there are plenty of people who are okay with thesnipping of the spines of a full or almost full-term baby. heck, forgetfull or almost full term. Do you know that most abortion laws allow abortions up to 20-23 weeks. do you know what a fetus looks like at 20 weeks? i work with a woman who had twins at 26 weeks and they not only lived, but they are perfectly beautiful, smart and wonderful additions to the world. As for too many people being okay with what Gosnell did,
explain the complete tv/cable news blackout of this trial. He should get at least 1/2 the coverage Jody Arias got wouldn't you think? you are right, there can't be compromise if you believe that abortion stops abeating heart. you and i can argue whether a cluster of cells after conception constitutes life. in fact, i am sure that many pro life advocates would tell me that life begins conclusively once the sperm inpregnates the egg. I am not so arrogant to believe that i know the answer to that. but once it has a beating heart, and is beginning to form lips, hands, feet, fingers, well yeah, i think that is life that needs protection. as for your question to me.... that is simple. no it would not change my mind about my faith. you refer to organized religion. any religion that advocates violence against another is not a religion i want any part of. you can point to the old testament and the reference to "stoning" etc.. but my faith is in the teachings of Jesus. Jesus never advocated stoning anyone. He preached loving othersand loving God. I am only human, so I can strive all I want to not hate Gosnell, or the suicide bombers of 9/11, or the idiots in Boston, but I do hate them. I cannot grasp that Jesus loves them just as much as he loves me. But he is Jesus, and I am only a man.
Yesterday at 8:07pm · Like

MyHusband Understood.I can only say that I don't believe that life is a precious gift from God. If it were, then we wouldn't have this: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lLxsk8VbWjI/TuzYjH_fZ0I/AAAAAAAAAGA/ataKoGoa284/s640/starving-child-1.jpg)
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StatusPoster Michael,those are man-made tragedies, because those who should be caring for those children don't love them. imho, if they knew the love that Jesus talked about, they would care for them, and perhaps take steps to stop
having children. I was raised a Catholic, but I believe in birth control. I just believe it should be controlled before there is a pregnancy, and a birth. and you don't have to believe that life is a precious gift from God. But do you also believe that one person can determine when to snuff another life out?
21 hours ago · Like

FriendOfStatusPoster (StatusPoster) I agree with you and I hope that man pays for his crimes. If not here
then when he dies hopefully he will. I don't believe in abortion in any way. Birth control is a good precaution however people do not treat people with love and respect these days and feel that love is just getting a piece of ass and if a child is made in the process, oh well we can get rid of it. Last time I checked none of us here are God. It's not up to us to decide if an unborn child should live or die. That should be his choice alone. It's so sad how this world has revolved to allow any abortions at all. But then again look at how this world is now all the way around! Those who do choose abortion as the way out of having a child, I hope God has mercy on you!
21 hours ago via mobile · Like

MyHusband Children are starving in Africa because their parents don't love them. That's an interesting take and one I had not heard before. I imagine if you spent some time over there, you'd see it's not a function of a lack of love, but extreme famine and poverty.
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StatusPoster Michael,I meant the corrupt dictatorial governments don't love and care for their people. I cannot believe you don't know me better than that. This is going nowhere, because obviously you don't know me as I thought you would. or maybe you just like being the devil's advocate. Btw, the parents that can't feed themselves and continue to have children are to blame as well. who the hell has a child that he can't feed? don't feel the need to reply because I have enough on my plate without having to feel like every argument I make is going to be cause for backlash. I will staunchly stand on the side of AGAINST Dr. Kermit Gosnell and you can advocate for him and his ilk if you like. Please re-read my initial post. We are far afield from that post. Night night
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Omg, H's family is like this. It's bizarre.

[cleo29]

I don't even know where to begin and I love that your H stands up to him.

[Jalapeñomel]

You DH handles him perfectly.

[saraandmichael]

cleo29 and @bettyhomewrecker33 i edited and added the op's response that he just posted before you two replied. dude is effing unreal.

[cleo29]

Does this uncle live up PA?

[Jalapeñomel]

Ok dude's response is ridiculous.

[lola]

OMG I love your H.

And, I hate his uncle for making it sound like your H is "on Gosnell's side" or whatever. Fuck that.

[litebright]

Good on your H for speaking up.

Wasn't he thinking about starting a blog about reading the Bible from an atheist POV? Did he ever do that, or did he decide not to stir the pot?

[gozf]

Omg, this is the worst!!

[Deleted]

May 1, 2013 21:19:44 GMT -5 saraandmichael said:

cleo29 and @bettyhomewrecker33 i edited and added the op's response that he just posted before you two replied. dude is effing unreal.

Omg. What a fucking loon.

[saraandmichael]

May 1, 2013 21:21:08 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Does this uncle live up PA?

yes. he is a police officer in central pa.

[lissaholly]

The really ironic part of the uncle's post is that this is a PRO - choice argument. Legalizing abortion can better regulate abortion so that practices like this are far and in between instead of the norm.

[cleo29]

May 1, 2013 21:29:15 GMT -5 saraandmichael said:

May 1, 2013 21:21:08 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

Does this uncle live up PA?

yes. he is a police officer in central pa.

No wonder you don't want to visit. 

[saraandmichael]

May 1, 2013 21:24:00 GMT -5 litebright said:

Good on your H for speaking up.

Wasn't he thinking about starting a blog about reading the Bible from an atheist POV? Did he ever do that, or did he decide not to stir the pot?

he did, yes.

his family had some great responses. highlights include:

RE: Genesis 7:2 - Don't know about the dinosaurs. It's part of that age of the universe stumbling block isn't it?!

RE: God creating the Universe in 7 days - Be careful about believing what you've been taught about science without
question. Science is all about questioning. Yes, there are some 'laws'
that seem pretty solid, but laws are simply theories whose hypotheses
have not been disproven! Granted, they've been tested extensively over a
long period of time, but still, modern science is not that old!

RE: the idea of reading the bible in its entirety - I'm not sure I know many people that have read the Bible from cover to cover.


they have now stopped responding.

[Deleted]

So no abortion is ever the answer and also, how dare impoverished Africans have babies when they can't feed themselves. Interesting perspectives. Not really. But also, I can't post on fb but I will and will then demand you all agree with me. Le sigh.

What a nut. I can't even..

[dcannie]

omg, your h is a saint for staying so calm and collected.

[saraandmichael]

May 1, 2013 21:44:03 GMT -5 dcannie said:

omg, your h is a saint for staying so calm and collected.

he is like this always, about everything.

[brandienee]

Ew... this guy is gross.

[dcannie]

the thing about african babies reminds me of the poster (on the old nest maybe? the bump?) that suggested they move somewhere they could find food/jobs. ya know, just pick up and move all of your kids through a war torn country. that's what SHE would do because she loved her children.

[Gato]

May 1, 2013 21:49:43 GMT -5 dcannie said:

the thing about african babies reminds me of the poster (on the old nest maybe? the bump?) that suggested they move somewhere they could find food/jobs. ya know, just pick up and move all of your kids through a war torn country. that's what SHE would do because she loved her children.

Oh yes, that one was priceless!  I mean, in a depressing way.

Good on your H for standing up to the stupidity.  I don't think I could handle it.

[papie]

Omg about the starving children. And does he see the irony? Those people should make sure not up have children. Like, maybe they could get an abortion? Oooooh. Oops

[saraandmichael]

i have thought about this stupid thing all night and this morning since i woke up. not so much the content, but the whole mindset of "you must agree with me! see! i made a good point! YOU HAVE TO SEE THINGS MY WAY!"

and the whole "backlash" idea is just laughable and such nonsense. ESPECIALLY from this fuckhead. he was a part of something ugly re:gun control a few months back and he acted the same exact way.

i wish i could punch him for being a dumb arrogant prick.

[cheeseandcrackers]

I saw this on FB today.. this seemed like a good place to put it. LOL.

[saraandmichael]

May 2, 2013 8:37:11 GMT -5 cheeseandcrackers said:

I saw this on FB today.. this seemed like a good place to put it. LOL.

i love this argument. because, you know, going through a pregnancy and then giving the baby up would probably just be so fucking easy.

the psychological mindset of these types of people is such a mystery to me.

[fuckyourcouch]

...wow

well, the positive thing here is every time you post a fb convo, your h is really good at talking to the crazy person involved. man.

[Muddled]

When will these people realize that people don't not respond because of labels, but because it's advised not to engage the crazy.

[Waffles]

I'm in awe of your husband for staying so calm & rational when faced with this much moronism (did I just make up a word?).

In my head while reading this:

Btw, the parents that can't feed themselves and continue to have children are to blame as well. who the hell has a child that he can't feed? SO THEY SHOULD HAVE AN ABORTION THEN? MAKE YOUR MIND UP don't feel the need to reply because I have enough on my plate without having to feel like every argument I make is going to be cause for backlash. I will staunchly stand on the side of AGAINST Dr. Kermit Gosnell and you can advocate for him and his ilk if you like. WTF DO YOU SEE saraandmichael'S HUSBAND ADVOCATE FOR THIS GUY? 

AAAARGH

[chickadee77]

I'm ashamed to admit that when I was young (like until I was maybe twenty or so), and only saw the world in black and white, I was extremely pro-life. And vocally so.

Then I grew up and started seeing shades of grey in the world.

Then I grew up even more and had a friend get pregnant even with protection (I have no reason to disbelieve her), with way too many emotional issues herself to raise a child, much less a way to financially support it.

Then I grew up even more when I started having sex with my h (yes, he was my first) and realized how easy it would be to have an oops.

I recently grew up even more when I had to have a termination myself due to medical reasons.

Frankly, if these people have been lucky enough to only get exactly what they want and when they want it, good for them - but the rest of the world isn't that fortunate. I feel sorry for them because their lives are missing so much color by only seeing things in black and white. When a person gets to a certain age, it's unfortunate that they are unable to even comprehend that others may have different worldviews and experiences than they do - it is such a gross underdevelopment of intellect. If they acknowledge these things and disagree, that's fine. But so many of the pro-lifers that are vocal about it just seem to go, "la, la, la, I can't hear you because I'm too busy being RIGHT."

**off soapbox**