I don't think she said she judges a persons professional capabilities if they don't wear makeup. She said it looks unprofessional. I have seen people look unprofessional without makeup or with too much makeup. I have also seen people look professional with no makeup on. I try not to judge based on appearances but in corporate America it is helpful to your career to appear put together. For men and women.
I don't think what I said makes much sense, I am just trying to say I think it is possible to think a person looks unprofessional while still respecting their work abilities and other aspects of professionalism.
I looking fucking weird with make up on, but maybe that's just my perception.
I agree. I totally don't look like myself.
Where I used to work, I was friends with my (mostly male) coworkers outside of work and heard a lot of their non-PC opinions. They went on for several days about "hot Wendy" the time another coworker happened to wear makeup one day and encouraged her to wear it every day. I guess as an engineer I didn't want to be "hot shevacc" just for my male coworkers to ogle at. Not that I purposely tried to be non-attractive, but I didn't want to dress up "for them" either. I try harder going out on a date with DH than going into the office.
I have seriously considered shaving my face. I used to epilate, but I got a whole bunch of ingrown hairs all over my cheeks. I tweeze my moustache and chin, but I just live with the rest. It is blonde, but it's long enough that I can see it blowing in the breeze if I'm riding with the windows down. When I get a chill, my face has a hair halo. I am not kidding.
Post by creamsiclechica on May 16, 2013 12:32:07 GMT -5
I agree with put together. I just simply cannot get done with make up being equal to put together. Especially because my dark circles and acne are totally medical conditions, not cosmetic. And if George two cubicles over has dark circles and grey hair, he's distinguished, and I'm sloppy.
Post by Regina Philange on May 16, 2013 12:39:58 GMT -5
1) I mean i think i look good w makeup but if i dont wear it i dont think its a big deal. The only time i actually go all out with my makeup is for a special event. When i get my makeup done, and they do the drastic eyes i think i kind of look scary.
2)Booze must be at weddings.
3)Christina Applegate is a sex bomb in my book. Shes hot! Hotter then Jolie.
Post by SteelCity44 on May 16, 2013 12:40:04 GMT -5
Alcohol is expensive. And for many venues, it's not just a matter of paying for the alcohol, but also paying for the bartender(s), the tax on it, the tip for the bartender(s), sometimes there's an extra deposit required, and more security guards. Any place we looked at had a minimum number of guards required if there was alcohol, and the more people you had coming (kids or adults), the more guards you had to hire. It gets expensive. I can respect someone who would rather have more (sober) people at their celebration than fewer people that can get their drunk on. It's a celebration. I've celebrated many things sober and still had a great time.
I have seriously considered shaving my face. I used to epilate, but I got a whole bunch of ingrown hairs all over my cheeks. I tweeze my moustache and chin, but I just live with the rest. It is blonde, but it's long enough that I can see it blowing in the breeze if I'm riding with the windows down. When I get a chill, my face has a hair halo. I am not kidding.
Hey, Marilyn Monroe had facial hair, so you're in good company.
Alcohol is expensive. And for many venues, it's not just a matter of paying for the alcohol, but also paying for the bartender(s), the tax on it, the tip for the bartender(s), sometimes there's an extra deposit required, and more security guards. Any place we looked at had a minimum number of guards required if there was alcohol, and the more people you had coming (kids or adults), the more guards you had to hire. It gets expensive. I can respect someone who would rather have more (sober) people at their celebration than fewer people that can get their drunk on. It's a celebration. I've celebrated many things sober and still had a great time.
psssshhhhhh... just leave it on a table or make it socially acceptable to bring your own. I'll happily pour my own.
um. Obviously people should look "put together" in a professional setting. But I just don't get why women need makeup to look "put together". And because most people might look better with makeup is a terrible argument! Geez how about pepetuating womens terrible self image issues?
I'm sure plenty of people would look better with a bit of plastic surgery. So are those people who DON'T get the plastic surgery, or people who haven't lost their last few pounds (which would also make them look "better" perhaps) or those who haven't had time for the gym or who haven't been able to afford to go to the hair salon in a while..
Oh wow why stop at makeup! There is SO MUCH about ourselves we could pick apart and feel bad about because hey we could always be "better" and be taken more seriously as professionals right.
"Laura. I was hoping you could help me out.. I need this new website for ..." "wait. Are you not wearing makeup?!!" **awkward pause** "never mind... Website? Never mind I said that. I'll ... Oh is that the time? wow! Must go.. do.. other thing .. bye"
Also I have never been to a wedding or ANY social event where there wasn't alcohol. The idea is so weird to me! I couldn't get on board with that. I mean, it sounds terrible and I'm not an alcoholic, I don't even drink that much. BUT I would not be able to have fun at a "dry" wedding. I went to a wedding when I was pregnant and it was fine I guess, at least there's food to enjoy. But once the food is gone then it's like "ok.. soooo can we go now?!"
In Ireland it is normal to have a cash bar. Most weddings take place at a hotel and are very expensive. Usually wine is provided at dinner, 1 bottle per two people I think. And one drink per person for the toast. Before and after dinner, its cash bar.
We had a low key wedding. Church ceremony (Tradition. I used to be a catholic, so we did the church thing for my family really), then a party at a friends beach house in Gloucester. Surf and turf on the bbq by the cheapest caterers we could find, as much alcohol as you could ever want, and DJ followed by ipod tunes. We stayed up late, maybe 3am which is early by Irish wedding standards.
Everyone had a blast! It still cost about 10 grand I think, but I doubt we could have done much cheaper. Even the cheap caterer was $50/head and with almost a hundred people invited that adds up.
In Ireland it is normal to have a cash bar. Most weddings take place at a hotel and are very expensive. Usually wine is provided at dinner, 1 bottle per two people I think. And one drink per person for the toast. Before and after dinner, its cash bar.
so funny, reading back over this. Like oh bummer you only got half a bottle of wine and one other drink for free and then had to buy the rest? Just goes to show what a bunch of lushes us Irish are, eh!
I used to work in a corporate environment for several Fortune 500 companies and I can tell you that when you're handling major accounts, meeting with high-profile guests, and trying to keep track of several executives and sometimes being the department's Go-To person...the last thing you're worried about is 'Do they think I look professional with this mascara on?' I guess I'm one of those who is more concerned if you can do your job, and not how look when you do your job.
My Speech and Debate professor in college told all of us ladies that he wanted us to wear makeup for our debates and performances because us being in business suits, wearing high heels, and having our hair done just wasn't enough. And you best believe in every photo of me at a competition or gathering, I looked like a freakin' Barbie. The upkeep, even back then as a poor college student, was very expensive. I can't imagine if I had to do that all time now.
My long-winded point? If you see a woman in a professional or corporate environment, makeup-less, cut her some slack. You don't know what she's dealing with before she gets to work or what she has to deal with while she's at work.
Well what happens at a wedding with no food and alcohol or dancing and music? I have been to one that had none of them. It did have cake though. Thank gosh!
"Laura. I was hoping you could help me out.. I need this new website for ..." "wait. Are you not wearing makeup?!!" **awkward pause** "never mind... Website? Never mind I said that. I'll ... Oh is that the time? wow! Must go.. do.. other thing .. bye"
It's more like "Carrie has those babies and she just looks so tired all the time. So maybe we'll give this big project/promotion to someone who isn't so tired and busy with her family."
I wear makeup to take that away from them.
I don't care if other people wear makeup. I mean, I really don't care at all. But I'm going to contiue to wear it. Except for today.
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Alcohol is expensive. And for many venues, it's not just a matter of paying for the alcohol, but also paying for the bartender(s), the tax on it, the tip for the bartender(s), sometimes there's an extra deposit required, and more security guards. Any place we looked at had a minimum number of guards required if there was alcohol, and the more people you had coming (kids or adults), the more guards you had to hire. It gets expensive. I can respect someone who would rather have more (sober) people at their celebration than fewer people that can get their drunk on. It's a celebration. I've celebrated many things sober and still had a great time.
psssshhhhhh... just leave it on a table or make it socially acceptable to bring your own. I'll happily pour my own.
The venues we've looked at for various occasions require a bartender. Someone once wanted to do mini wine bottles as a favor and it was denied by the hall because there wasn't someone serving it. They are risking their liquor license by letting you serve as you please, because if it gets in the wrong hands, then they lose it.
I think I look totally fine without makeup! I don't think I look tired at all! But people tell me I do so I guess I do!
I definitely think it's what you (and other people) are used to seeing. Just like after getting a new haircut, some people may only notice that something is different about you, but not be able to tell specifically what. So maybe they just notice that you look "different" without it and have to come up with some explanation for why.
Post by monkeybabe on May 16, 2013 14:25:08 GMT -5
I tried wearing mascara when I was a sophomore in HS and I looked so weird. I think part of that might have been that I was using my best friend's mascara and she wore super black mascara. Red heads probably should wear something more brown, right?
I like it but I look worse without makeup and I don't want people actually telling me that. And if they told me I didn't, I would know they were lying. Its lose-lose.
Aahh. I just dont get this. You guys are seriously making it sound like you care more about the alcohol than whoever you're celebrating. And that is the problem with alcohol. Nothing can ever be fun without it, and seeing people wasted out of their minds IS fun. Wow...I guess you'd all think I was boring, then. That doesn't sound like the LEAST bit fun to me. I'd rather have a conversation with someone who was going to remember it the next day!
Post by monkeybabe on May 16, 2013 14:41:59 GMT -5
I don't drink. I don't have anything against drinking, I just don't do it. I'll sip on someone else's alcohol from time to time and I try to steal the olives out of Patsy's vodka when he gets a vodka martini, but generally, I don't drink. I find drunk people to be hilarious to watch, though. I can only celebrate someone else's happiness for so long before I get bored, because I don't dance. Well, looking at this post I realize I'm pretty damn boring, haha.