Jodi Arias Jury can't agree.

[karmasabiotch]

OMG

[karmasabiotch]

Travis family is sobbing.

Jury sent back to keep trying.

[weelass24]

What does the judge have to say about that?

[karmasabiotch]

Judge said for them to keep trying. If they don't agree they might have to seat a new jury for this phase from my understanding.

julez I'm streaming HLN. I can't help myself now.

[cc]

How long do they have to try? My heart hurts for the family.

[pursemeatballs]

What's the name of that website you gave me yesterday? I keep thinking hotfortrial but that's not it.

[karmasabiotch]

I would think at least for a few more days.

[karmasabiotch]

May 22, 2013 14:00:52 GMT -5 pursemeatballs said:

What's the name of that website you gave me yesterday? I keep thinking hotfortrial but that's not it.

wildaboutrial.com

ETA: Corrected link

[cleo29]

May 22, 2013 14:04:31 GMT -5 sameoldash said:

I would rather everyone just decided on life w/o parole than put the Alexander family through another day of this horror.

I agree. I would rather her have to sit in prison for the rest of her life knowing she will die in there alone without friends or family.

[nursewife]

Her whole assisted suicide thing was gross. She is just nuts. It must be heart breaking for his family.

[karmasabiotch]

The family wants her to die. They've been dealing with this for 5 years. I can't imagine.

I wonder if JM will go through another death penelty trial or if the family will agree to life w/o parole. I'm guessing that he will do what the family wants at this point.

[karmasabiotch]

May 22, 2013 14:19:38 GMT -5 kevin arnold said:

I have a hard time thinking an undecided jury would come back with the a death penalty sentence, right?

Maybe seeing the family break down will sway them?

[karmasabiotch]

I wonder how many people are on each side of the arguement.

[cc]

I'm betting it is one person who is not able to sentence her to death. They came back pretty quickly, so it seems like the jurors are not going to be easily swayed.

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 14:39:25 GMT -5 sameoldash said:

I don't know. If ppl are saying no to death, I don't really see them being swayed. I think she is disgusting and this whole trial has been horrifying, but I don't believe in the death penalty, end of story. No amount of convincing would make me change my mind on that. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same situation they're in now.

Yeah, they have to say beforehand that they COULD give someone the death penalty in order to be on the jury. So in theory, that should not be what is happening here.

[sparrow]

May 22, 2013 14:06:06 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

May 22, 2013 14:04:31 GMT -5 sameoldash said:

I would rather everyone just decided on life w/o parole than put the Alexander family through another day of this horror.

I agree. I would rather her have to sit in prison for the rest of her life knowing she will die in there alone without friends or family.

She'd actually be more alone on death row.  For the women's facility in Arizona there are only 2 or 3 other women on death row, and each woman is kept in seclusion.  She's only be allowed out of her room a few dyas a week to exercise and shower.  She also wouldn't be allowed to have much of anything in her cell -- a few books is about it.  And because of the appeals process she'd probably spend a long time living like that; Arizona hasn't executed a woman since 1930.  

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 15:03:57 GMT -5 sparrow said:

May 22, 2013 14:06:06 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

I agree. I would rather her have to sit in prison for the rest of her life knowing she will die in there alone without friends or family.

She'd actually be more alone on death row.  For the women's facility in Arizona there are only 2 or 3 other women on death row, and each woman is kept in seclusion.  She's only be allowed out of her room a few dyas a week to exercise and shower.  She also wouldn't be allowed to have much of anything in her cell -- a few books is about it.  And because of the appeals process she'd probably spend a long time living like that; Arizona hasn't executed a woman since 1930.  

Sounds good to me!

[karmasabiotch]

It's at least a 12 year appeal process. I truly believe in that period of time the USA will take the death penelty off the table accross the country. From my understanding we are the only civilized county that still put people to death.

The killing was so horrific. The only thing I can think of is that this jury that already said they could sentence someone to death would consider is that she is mentally ill.

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 15:09:18 GMT -5 karmasabiotch said:

It's at least a 12 year appeal process. I truly believe in that period of time the USA will take the death penelty off the table accross the country. From my understanding we are the only civilized county that still put people to death.

The killing was so horrific. The only thing I can think of is that this jury that already said they could sentence someone to death would consider is that she is mentally ill.

I have noticed you mention this before, and I'm genuinely curious why you think this. There is no great movement for the death penalty to become illegal in the U.S., and 63% of Americans are still in favor of it. What do you think is going to be the catalyst for it to be outlawed in the U.S., especially within the next 12 years?

[Captain Serious]

Does anyone know when the last female was executed in the US?

[Captain Serious]

I just looked it up, and it was as recently as 2010. I'm surprised by that. I would have thought it was a while longer than that.

[karmasabiotch]

I'm not usually a political person but from what I've read we are the last county to still have this in place. Between the pressure from other countries to do away with the policy and the fact that most people on death row are mentally ill, have cogntive delays, or a low IQ and the increase in costs related to putting a person to death I think that we as a society are moving away sentencing people to death.

I didn't realize that the 63% of American's are still in favor of it. That seems high to me. Where is this number coming from? Maybe 12 years is too soon for a nation wide policty to change.

[sparrow]

May 22, 2013 15:20:15 GMT -5 emptygee said:

May 22, 2013 15:09:18 GMT -5 karmasabiotch said:

It's at least a 12 year appeal process. I truly believe in that period of time the USA will take the death penelty off the table accross the country. From my understanding we are the only civilized county that still put people to death.

The killing was so horrific. The only thing I can think of is that this jury that already said they could sentence someone to death would consider is that she is mentally ill.

I have noticed you mention this before, and I'm genuinely curious why you think this. There is no great movement for the death penalty to become illegal in the U.S., and 63% of Americans are still in favor of it. What do you think is going to be the catalyst for it to be outlawed in the U.S., especially within the next 12 years?

I am also anti-death penalty and think it will eventually be abolished in the US.  Given that our justice system is imperfect, there is always a chance that innocent people are going to be convicted.  In my opinion it isn't worth the risk of executing one innocent person just so that we can put other guilty people to death.  If you've never looked at it, you should check out the Innocence Project (www.innocenceproject.org/).  As recently as this month a death row inmate was exonerated with DNA evidence proving that he didn't commit the crime he was convicted of.  If those cases don't sway you, the economics of it should.  It costs tax payers more money to carry out a death sentence than it does to sentence someone to life in prison.  This is because death sentences carry automatic appeal processes and taxpayers end up paying for all the lawyers, etc.

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -5 karmasabiotch said:

I'm not usually a political person but from what I've read we are the last county to still have this in place. Between the pressure from other countries to do away with the policy and the fact that most people on death row are mentally ill, have cogntive delays, or a low IQ and the increase in costs related to putting a person to death I think that we as a society are moving away sentencing people to death.

I didn't realize that the 63% of American's are still in favor of it. That seems high to me. Where is this number coming from? Maybe 12 years is too soon for a nation wide policty to change.

www.gallup.com/poll/159770/death-penalty-support-stable.aspx

[karmasabiotch]

May 22, 2013 15:36:34 GMT -5 emptygee said:

May 22, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -5 karmasabiotch said:

I'm not usually a political person but from what I've read we are the last county to still have this in place. Between the pressure from other countries to do away with the policy and the fact that most people on death row are mentally ill, have cogntive delays, or a low IQ and the increase in costs related to putting a person to death I think that we as a society are moving away sentencing people to death.

I didn't realize that the 63% of American's are still in favor of it. That seems high to me. Where is this number coming from? Maybe 12 years is too soon for a nation wide policty to change.

www.gallup.com/poll/159770/death-penalty-support-stable.aspx

Interesting.  I guess I need to stop saying this now. 

[emptygee]

I am not saying it will never be abolished, nor am I saying I'm pro-death penalty. I just think it's a little unrealistic to think that the death penalty will be going away anytime soon. Right or wrong, most Americans support it, and when is the last time you heard a politician running on a platform of abolishing the death penalty?

[sparrow]

I may take longer to abolish at the national level, but there are already 18 states that have abolished it (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty). And it was a close vote (that failed) to abolish it in California this past year.

[joshlyman]

It may eventually come down to $$ thing. Death penalty costs a whole heckava lot more than life without parole. That and killing innoce t people are the main reasons I oppose it, so I could see politicians getting on that horse...eventually.

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 15:46:08 GMT -5 sparrow said:

I may take longer to abolish at the national level, but there are already 18 states that have abolished it (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty). And it was a close vote (that failed) to abolish it in California this past year.

True, but I'm guessing Arizona is not going to be next in line to abolish. I was actually just addressing karma's point that Jodi Arias would probably be saved by abolition of the death penalty, and how I think that's unlikely. I wasn't looking to get into an argument about the fate of the death penalty in general.

[emptygee]

May 22, 2013 15:53:43 GMT -5 @gypsy said:

Sitting in jail for the rest of my life would suck. Probably worse than sitting there for years wondering when I will finally be taken to the chair.

I sort of wonder if she said that because of her family's wishes, or if she just plans to kill herself right away after things die down.

But would it suck if you could start a recycling program and a book club?