Baby Veronica case on Dr. phil

[fluffaluff]

The adoptive parents and father's attorney are there. 

[cleo29]

I don't know much about adoption, but in most cases, can the birth parent(s) change their mind up until things are final?

[Jermys]

That case is so freaking sad. That poor little girl.

[Alyssa]

I don't know how you explain to a toddler that you're never going to see them again.  The entire case is effed up.

[fluffaluff]

Jun 6, 2013 15:52:50 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

I don't know much about adoption, but in most cases, can the birth parent(s) change their mind up until things are final?

This case is moreso about an Indian tribe coming back after a finalized adoption to say "this kid has a trace of Indian blood, so we are claiming her". She had been with her adoptive family from birth- 2 years. The family chosen by the birth mother.

[Saint Monica]

Bio dad abused the system

[Saint Monica]

Imho

[cleo29]

Jun 6, 2013 16:15:21 GMT -5 fluffaluff said:

Jun 6, 2013 15:52:50 GMT -5 cleo29 said:

I don't know much about adoption, but in most cases, can the birth parent(s) change their mind up until things are final?

This case is moreso about an Indian tribe coming back after a finalized adoption to say "this kid has a trace of Indian blood, so we are claiming her". She had been with her adoptive family from birth- 2 years. The family chosen by the birth mother.

i started reading up because it sounded familiar but I was not sure of the details.  It is sad, especially if the adoption was finalized.

Do we know if the mom purposely made it so that dad could not contest the adoption? I read one article, granted on an Indian rights site, saying that he had tried talking with her, seeing her before the baby was born, yadda, yadda, but I am not sure if that is even accurate.

[thenikki]

This case is so fucked. IMO the bottom line should be what's best for the child and in no way or form is ripping a toddler from the only family she's ever known what's good for said child. Change laws going forward but retroactively ripping children from their loving homes is monstrous behavior.

[kirra]

From what I remember when the case first made news, the dad was not properly notified, and the mom was angry because he went away for mandatory military commitments. She played the system to give the baby up for adoption, and I think now he's trying to play the system to get the baby back.

This whole situation should have never happened.

ETA: I think the adoptive parents were aware of this fiasco. Granted, I read this through an Army publication, so it might be skewed that way.

[Alyssa]

Jun 6, 2013 16:57:47 GMT -5 kirra said:

From what I remember when the case first made news, the dad was not properly notified, and the mom was angry because he went away for mandatory military commitments. She played the system to give the baby up for adoption, and I think now he's trying to play the system to get the baby back.

This whole situation should have never happened.

Are you thinking of this case?

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-adopted-baby-returned-soldier-dad/story?id=17877671#.UbEGNdj89w0


That's another effed up situation, but I agree the father should have his daughter....he fought from the beginning and the adoptive parents strung it along for a couple years.  Utah is a tough state for bio dads to regain custody.

[kirra]

Alyssa, I think I did get them mixed up.

These things happen way too often.

[WOT?*]

Jun 6, 2013 17:00:59 GMT -5 Alyssa said:

Jun 6, 2013 16:57:47 GMT -5 kirra said:

From what I remember when the case first made news, the dad was not properly notified, and the mom was angry because he went away for mandatory military commitments. She played the system to give the baby up for adoption, and I think now he's trying to play the system to get the baby back.

This whole situation should have never happened.

Are you thinking of this case?

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-adopted-baby-returned-soldier-dad/story?id=17877671#.UbEGNdj89w0


That's another effed up situation, but I agree the father should have his daughter....he fought from the beginning and the adoptive parents strung it along for a couple years.  Utah is a tough state for bio dads to regain custody.

What the eff is wrong with that couple? It is HIS daughter and he refused consent. They had absolutely no right to keep her from that moment.  Even their comments state he denied the adoption when the baby was *three months old* so that baby had a chance to know her father the entire time.  I have no words for what I think of that couple.  None printable anyway.  But they loooooooove her.  Don't they think that DAD has a right to love her too? grumble grumble grumble mumble mumble.

And Alyssa - that pic is to die for.  Three years in ballet and I've never had a short tutu for recital.  I am so put out.

[hopecounts]

I just watched it.
The Dad could've prevented this by filing to pay CS/visitation.
He knew when the baby was due and could've taken the steps to be a Dad he chose to tell the mom He would TPR and she took him at his word. To bed so sad.
I think this case could well come back to bite the Indian Tribes in the butt in terms of ICWA its getting a lot of press and if the SC finds for the Dad I would lay money that There will be a lot of pressure from the adoption community and others to remove ICWA. Congress could do it so it may be a case of winning the battle just to loose the war.
Which given that ICWA is a Charlie Foxtrot and this is so not its original application might not be the worst thing that could happen.


ETA: the USSC releases its rulings throughout June so we should know something soon.
my gut reaction is that if they had found for the adoptive parents they would've released it immediately but that's not certain.