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I knew it! I knew being gay wasn't Bob's big secret!


Did this episode feel really short to anyone else? It felt like it was 70% commercials to me.

[ESF]

When Betty and Sally were at the boarding school, and the interviewer called out for "Carla" to take Sally, I expected the fired maid to pop up.

I totally though Cosgrove was dead.

I knew Megan wasn't dead.

The whole Ted/Peggy plot line was hilarious.

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Jun 16, 2013 23:34:56 GMT -5 ESF said:

When Betty and Sally were at the boarding school, and the interviewer called out for "Carla" to take Sally, I expected the fired maid to pop up.

Me too!!

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So if Manolo is gay, was Pete's mom just imagining all the "physical pleasure" she was raving about before?

And who was bob speaking with on the phone in Spanish? Manolo or someone else?

[pescalita]

We gasped audibly at Carla. I expected Betty to freak out and pull Sally storming from the building.

I'm kind of surprised there's more to Bob than the gay thing, but the Don parallel was interesting.

I really wish they'd let Peggy get laid.

[LeggsBenedict]

Jun 16, 2013 23:48:56 GMT -5 ttt said:

So if Manolo is gay, was Pete's mom just imagining all the "physical pleasure" she was raving about before?

And who was bob speaking with on the phone in Spanish? Manolo or someone else?

I'm pretty sure he was speaking to Manolo. Bob argued that he didn't care how much he (the person on the other end of the phone) liked Pete's mother, Pete was still being a dick.

[summer]

I thought it was interesting that Pete sort of realizes that he's fought this Don-type before and lost and so now he's not even going to try. And yet find it hard to believe Pete is so benevolent. Could it be that by the end of this series, Pete becomes the one with the moral center and Don goes down in flames?

Pete is also I guess in the position to take some advantage of Bob's secret so this could be interesting.

[summer]

Oh, and there were a lot of moments when this episode was hard to watch. I cringed through Ted and Peggy running into Don and Megan at the movies. I cringed at that meeting when he's like, "Go on, tell 'em, Ted."

Is Don jealous because of Peggy? Because he taught her so much and she left him for/gives her adoration to a man that he's jealous of? He's obviously jealous of Ted anyways. But he was so mean to Peggy before she left.....Don is just a mess.

[LoveTrains]

Jun 17, 2013 4:32:34 GMT -5 summer said:

Oh, and there were a lot of moments when this episode was hard to watch. I cringed through Ted and Peggy running into Don and Megan at the movies. I cringed at that meeting when he's like, "Go on, tell 'em, Ted."

Is Don jealous because of Peggy? Because he taught her so much and she left him for/gives her adoration to a man that he's jealous of? He's obviously jealous of Ted anyways. But he was so mean to Peggy before she left.....Don is just a mess.

Yeah the whole Peggy/Don relationship is one that I am having trouble with. Because in that episode earlier this season, when he is listening to Peggy pitch a client through the door of the hotel room and he hears her say, "if you don't like what they are saying, change the conversation," I thought there was this moment of Don being really proud of Peggy and thinking that he helped her get to be where she is today.

But ever since they are all back at the same firm it has been Don trying to sabotage Peggy. 

I thought the ending of this episode was appropriate, with Don curled up in the fetal position, because he seems like he is really on his way to rock bottom. 

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Peggy and Ted were being completely ridiculous and I was glad Don brought them back to reality, but obviously I question his motivations

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I think the only functional relationship Don ever had with anyone was Anna. There is that potential with Peggy, but Peggy is missing the additional information Anna had. So Don respects Peggy but she doesn't fully understand him and I think it just makes things a mess.

I assume Bob and Manolo are together and Bob doesn't Actually have any feelings for Pete--he was just trying to manipulate him.

I could not believe Ken got shot! Thank goodness he didn't die. That'll be interesting to see what happens with Pete on that account.

[eddy]

I would guess Manolo is canoodling with Pete's mom but only as a service type thing. He knows how to manipulate and hopes to get something out of it. Perhaps money.

What was Bob originally hired to do? It just goes to show if you hang around enough someone will notice you lol.

[FloFTW]

I can't watch this live but I was following on twitter. It was HILARIOUS.

[LoveTrains]

Jun 17, 2013 7:34:29 GMT -5 eddy said:

What was Bob originally hired to do? It just goes to show if you hang around enough someone will notice you lol.

He is an accounts man - like Ken, Pete & Roger.

[josieposy]

I take back everything I said about Bob.

[callie]

Is someone suppose to die by the end of the season? Was this confirmed?

[wawa]

Jun 17, 2013 8:48:26 GMT -5 callie said:

Is someone suppose to die by the end of the season? Was this confirmed?

Even if it was "confirmed" it doesn't mean it's actually going to happen.  Weiner has been deliberately misleading about plot twists before.

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Jun 17, 2013 8:48:26 GMT -5 callie said:

Is someone suppose to die by the end of the season? Was this confirmed?

Weiner explicitly said that no one is going to die. Not that he couldn't be lying, though.

[callie]

Okay thanks. I was thinking Ken got away from those Chevy guys, Pete steps in, then there's another accident and Pete dies.

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Did Betty say something about Henry having a daughter who attended that boarding school that Sally was touring? I swear I caught that, but did not remember anything about Henry having children of his own.

[mcsangel2]

DH told me about an awesome tweet he saw. It said, "I know my husband is my perfect mate, because when we were watching 'Mad Men', we both yelled 'Oh my god, they killed Kenny!' at the same time."

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Jun 17, 2013 9:23:42 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

Jun 17, 2013 4:29:21 GMT -5 summer said:

I thought it was interesting that Pete sort of realizes that he's fought this Don-type before and lost and so now he's not even going to try. And yet find it hard to believe Pete is so benevolent. Could it be that by the end of this series, Pete becomes the one with the moral center and Don goes down in flames?

Pete is also I guess in the position to take some advantage of Bob's secret so this could be interesting.

I didn't think he was being benevolent at all.  I thought he basically told Bob, "I own you now."

Yep, that's what I thought too. He's being strategic, as usual. He has nothing to gain except a temporary feeling of revenge if he outs Bob now. But he has a lot more to gain if he holds it over his head indefinitely, especially now that they're both working together on Chevy.

Also, that rifle from last season finally surfaced again! Remember how everyone was speculating whether or not Pete would kill himself with it?

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Don has been sick a lot - I wonder if they're setting him up for emphysema or lung cancer next season?

[summer]

Jun 17, 2013 10:06:36 GMT -5 ttt said:

Jun 17, 2013 9:23:42 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

I didn't think he was being benevolent at all.  I thought he basically told Bob, "I own you now."

Yep, that's what I thought too. He's being strategic, as usual. He has nothing to gain except a temporary feeling of revenge if he outs Bob now. But he has a lot more to gain if he holds it over his head indefinitely, especially now that they're both working together on Chevy.

Also, that rifle from last season finally surfaced again! Remember how everyone was speculating whether or not Pete would kill himself with it?

On the after-show Wiener said it was Pete's moment of growth, where he has mercy on Bob (hence the title) but Don shows no mercy for Ted. . But this could be, too because Wiener lies sometimes.

[simpsongal]

Jun 17, 2013 7:11:57 GMT -5 @mjmksb04 said:

Peggy and Ted were being completely ridiculous and I was glad Don brought them back to reality, but obviously I question his motivations

Agred.  I think Don was trying to be diplomatic and helpful w/Ted & Peggy. I can see why it came off to some as sabotage, but he called the client and took the blame.  I believe he attended the client meeting to help pitch the idea and budget increase but the client wouldn't have any of it.

Seeing Glenn was a little disturbing at first, but he really had a big-brother vibe w/Sally.

I also thought Ken was dead.  I think the staging of that scene was unrealistic and misleading -- he probably would have fallen to his knees and grabbed his face, not fallen straight down on his face (like a corpse).

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Jun 17, 2013 9:21:59 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

It fucking FLEW by.  And I was just dying the whole time like, "Must process with CEP!"

Yep. I was anticipating a slew of @bunnybean pages about Bob.

[epphd]

I had to watch the Pete+Bob scene a couple of times and I don't think Pete is being benevolent OR trying to own Bob. I think, like always, he's covering his own ass. I think he sees (correctly or not, it's irrelevant) that Bob has infiltrated the firm and has the potential to "do damage" (as Pete put it). So he negotiated. He will work with Bob, even offer him an apology, but Pete is "off limits" - not romantically - but when it all blows up, Bob will leave Pete out of it. I dunno - that was how I took it. It was odd.

I also totally thought Ken was dead. And all that talk about the Manson clan had me mixing up serial killers and I started getting creeped out about Sally at boarding school before I remembered that it was Bundy who killed the nurses. Basically, CEP is IN MY HEAD!

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So one thing I took from the Pete/Bob conversation at the end is that no one really hired Bob, right? He just showed up and started acting like he belonged there and it's been such a clusterfuck around there that no one noticed? I knew it! (I think, lol)

Also, I was annoyed that Glenn showed up again. Boo. But I was glad that he stood up for Sally.

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Bob probably showed up said to each person that someone else hired him. Then they were like "okay--go talk to Joan to get your paycheck." She logged him in--done deal.

I agree that Pete is just wanting to stay out of Bob's way.

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I don't think Pete gives a shit what someone else is up to so long as it doesn't affect his goals, if he even has any anymore. Despite being a partner, he has no loyalty to the firm, so if Bob brings them down, whatever. Pete's checked out.