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I think they crossed the TOS when they posted the picture of the disabled child with the hateful comments about her looks
IDK that this qualifies as hate speech, as shitty as it is.
But if you're facebook and receiving complaints you don't want to appear to be on the side of the people making fun of a disabled child.
I really wish people would realize that free speech doesn't equal "say whatever crosses your mind without thinking" Just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
There are lots of cruel people in the world who say shitty things. Even write them. You can't sue them all for that. In this one instance, I can protect my child from seeing it. So that's the choice I'm going to make rather than seeking punishment or "teaching a lesson" to whoever said things. The only thing someone like that is going to learn is to be more careful about to who and when they say those things.
IDK that this qualifies as hate speech, as shitty as it is.
But if you're facebook and receiving complaints you don't want to appear to be on the side of the people making fun of a disabled child.
I really wish people would realize that free speech doesn't equal "say whatever crosses your mind without thinking" Just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
I wish I could find the article about the FB censor people and the *real* problems they deal with everyday.
You're actually refering to a "filter" and sadly, no many people don't have one.
I just cannot get that worked up about it. It is absolutely wrong to mock the appearance of others, but it's not a legal issue. I'm not going to pretend I've never said to my husband or a close friend "So, you know, so and so's kid.....not that cute". Sure, I haven't created a FB group just to discuss ugly kids, but....
This is a HUGE issue. These women were wrong and their is no excuse for their behavior. That said, just last week the Boston Marathon Victim Halloween costume girl was getting death threats. What if something happens to one of these women? Could there be civil recourse? Exposing names while blinded by rage may make them just as bad, if not worse than the Mean Moms.
I just cannot get that worked up about it. It is absolutely wrong to mock the appearance of others, but it's not a legal issue. I'm not going to pretend I've never said to my husband or a close friend "So, you know, so and so's kid.....not that cute". Sure, I haven't created a FB group just to discuss ugly kids, but....
The civil recourse question was to the hypothetical. If the names are released to the public and something happens to one of the mean moms, would they be able to bring bullying charges on those that released the screenshots? The moms whose kids were made fun of had it happen in a private FB group. Releasing the names to the public seems to me that they are opening themselves up to potentially becoming the defendants of a bullying case.
I just cannot get that worked up about it. It is absolutely wrong to mock the appearance of others, but it's not a legal issue. I'm not going to pretend I've never said to my husband or a close friend "So, you know, so and so's kid.....not that cute". Sure, I haven't created a FB group just to discuss ugly kids, but....
The civil recourse question was to the hypothetical. If the names are released to the public and something happens to one of the mean moms, would they be able to bring bullying charges on those that released the screenshots? The moms whose kids were made fun of had it happen in a private FB group. Releasing the names to the public seems to me that they are opening themselves up to potentially becoming the defendants of a bullying case.
I think I quoted the wrong thing. I can't even keep up with it all anymore. I've been too busy banging my head on the desk.
I just hate to think about these moms kids in a few years. I mean, bullying is a huge problem as is. Is it bigger than it was before? Probably not, but social media has lit a fire under how fast words can spread and how much easier it is to bully from behind a screen. We have bullying assemblies in elementary school to teach the children it is wrong, but our biggest supporters are the parents. So, if these children aren't taught that it is wrong, dangerous, etc. and grow up to bully our kid's generation, the vicious cycle continues. I mean, I know it is pretty inevitable that bullying will be a continuing practice, but seeing real-life examples sucks.
Post by snipsnsnails on Nov 7, 2013 14:37:10 GMT -5
So, wait, when schoolmates are trading mean texts and doctored photos or anything like that between them, but it's not going to the kid being made fun of, that's just being made fun of and not bullying? Because they're not meant to see it?
So, wait, when schoolmates are trading mean texts and doctored photos or anything like that between them, but it's not going to the kid being made fun of, that's just being made fun of and not bullying? Because they're not meant to see it?
I don't think it is bullying at that point, it could easily escalate to bullying, but saying mean things about a classmate is not bullying.
Post by snipsnsnails on Nov 7, 2013 14:50:52 GMT -5
Huh, I just looked up our state statutes and yes, it would be classified as bullying here, regardless if the student was aware it was happening or not.
Huh, I just looked up our state statutes and yes, it would be classified as bullying here, regardless if the student was aware it was happening or not.
I'm with you here. I just can't jump on the "it's only bullying if they're meant to see it" train. If this isn't considered bullying, then damn, what is? Physical violence? At what point do we cross the line of "oh man, just some mean moms on the interwebz" to "you just used pictures of a disabled infant to start a thread where you have no reason, yet a drive to make horrible, demeaning comments about her disability?"
Bullying is disgusting. Bullying by moms in regards to other mom's children? No. words.
This isn't bullying. This is women being mean and juvenile. Unfortunately, there are mean people in the world and the internet makes that more and more apparent everyday.
I don't think any legal action should be taken and releasing their names publicly will only cause an even greater shit storm.
By whose law? Yours, or the states? Please, go look up the state statutes on what constitutes bullying.
What would posting their screennames on The View accomplish? As shitty as their comments were, it wasn't meant for public consumption. Now you are going to have a whole group of sanctimonious assholes who are going to attempt to teach the "bullyers" a lesson
This is a HUGE issue. These women were wrong and their is no excuse for their behavior. That said, just last week the Boston Marathon Victim Halloween costume girl was getting death threats. What if something happens to one of these women? Could there be civil recourse? Exposing names while blinded by rage may make them just as bad, if not worse than the Mean Moms.
That moronic girl was wearing a shirt from the university here where I live. My BFF's son goes to that college and he said that he was really worried about that girl. He really thought someone might rape or kill her because those threats were making the rounds at the college.
Post by snipsnsnails on Nov 7, 2013 15:14:53 GMT -5
Wait, what the heck? Someone was threatening to rape someone out of anger and a need for vengeance against them? Equating it with murder threats? I know it's not the topic of this post, but that is so messed up and sick.
Huh, I just looked up our state statutes and yes, it would be classified as bullying here, regardless if the student was aware it was happening or not.
I'm with you here. I just can't jump on the "it's only bullying if they're meant to see it" train. If this isn't considered bullying, then damn, what is? Physical violence? At what point do we cross the line of "oh man, just some mean moms on the interwebz" to "you just used pictures of a disabled infant to start a thread where you have no reason, yet a drive to make horrible, demeaning comments about her disability?"
Well, if the law says it's bullying, I guess it's bullying. But saying the behavior is not bullying is not the same as saying the behavior is ok.
So, wait, when schoolmates are trading mean texts and doctored photos or anything like that between them, but it's not going to the kid being made fun of, that's just being made fun of and not bullying? Because they're not meant to see it?
I am not an expert on bullying, but to me what you describe is ABSOLUTELY bullying. Disgusting, indefensible bullying for which there should be the same consequences as any other type of bullying.
I am sincerely surprised that other people see it differently.
Under the policy terms name calling is considered bullying.
Honestly, did you ever call someone a name in school? Do you think that you were a bully?
This goes back to my comment about blurring the lines. I think that name calling could easily escalate to bullying, but in and of itself I would not call bullying.
Post by snipsnsnails on Nov 7, 2013 15:39:53 GMT -5
The example I provided -texting between classmates and doctoring photos - seems that it can create a hostile environment for the target or disrupt the operation of the school as a result. Both important points in my state as it relates to bullying and harassment.
Post by snipsnsnails on Nov 7, 2013 15:47:57 GMT -5
According to what you posted, Tamb, my example would not be bullying I'm FL. Our statutes are different and can even cover communication referring to another student (without them being aware).
Somewhere far, far away in Facebook land, I'm talking thousands of galaxies and Candy Crush requests away, is a little planet we like to call the Closet World. Many moms (myself included) who find themselves overcome with a sick obsession with children's boutique style clothing but a lack of money to pay the full retail amount have created closet pages, separate from their IRL FB pages. On these closet pages, you buy, sell or trade clothing from your kids closet to other moms with similar tastes. You accept most friend requests that have some sort of clothing alliteration in the name. Apparently, a group of moms within the closet world got together and decided to C&P pictures of other children and make fun of them. I'm talking horrendous things, like comparing a sweet little girl to Sid from Toy Story, and then pitying the girl's mom, saying that you "can't fix ugly." It has really rattled the community and pissed a lot of people off, understandably.
Many screen shots were taken within the "secret group." I guess some were sent to the View, as they aired the story this morning. Now, I pose a question:
Should these moms be publicly recognized for their actions? Should any punishment follow? Or should they be allowed to stay anonymous?
Bullying is disgusting. Bullying by moms in regards to other mom's children? No. words.
I also BST on the MJ FB groups. The moms who were posting the horrible things were not posting under their real names, they were posting on the closet pages, as far as I remember. So even if the View does show the picture with the screen names, they aren't the real names.