Post by mominatrix on Jul 12, 2012 13:34:47 GMT -5
Not a joke.
Any more than if she stood up holding a rifle and said, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if I just blew your head off right here and now? Wouldn't that be hi-larious?"
Post by bluestreet on Jul 12, 2012 13:34:48 GMT -5
Thanks! I'm so posting this on FB. I've been having a hard time articulating for myself why he's gross, even though my sister and I often laugh hysterically over rape jokes despite having each dealt with different types of rape.
Last year my 18-year-old nephew lived with us, and every night after the girls went to bed he watched Pawn Stars and Tosh. That dude makes misogynist jokes all the time. And yeah, they're not edgy or controversial, they're just kinda hateful.
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I saw the show live actually. Not that show but the bit we're referring to. Dude has a strict no heckler policy and if homegirl was heckling during the rape joke bit (which I totally buy since a couple girls behind us were all butthurt at that point in the show) then this is where it happened.
I guess I don't understand how anyone familiar with Tosh goes to his show and is offended by anything that comes out of his mouth. Or how being offended means you get to harrass him in the middle of the show. Stay/go home.
He did. And is now getting criticized by other comedians for doing so.
I can appreciate fun being poked at pretty much anything of a horrible or awkward nature - but I think if you draw the line before getting to joking about rape, molesting or incest, you'd be doing yourself a favor. Not like there isn't TONS of other material out there.
"But here’s the thing: threatening women with rape, making light of rape, and suggesting that women who speak up be raped is not edgy or controversial. It’s the norm. This is what women deal with every day. Maintaining the status quo around violence against women isn’t exactly revolutionary."
Honest question just cuz I'm not understanding: How is it the norm? How are women dealing with this every day? Or, rather, what is 'this' that they're dealing with?
Nothing is inherently not funny. The right comedian can make any joke work. I'd have to see video of the context of the room and the delivery to decide for myself whether what he said was funny or over the line.
And frankly, hecklers deserve to get their asses handed to them.
"He was angry. His “joke” was reactive to the so-called heckler who called him out in front of an audience. He used humor to cut her down, to remind her of own vulnerability, to emphasize who was in control."
That's pretty much how all comedians respond to hecklers.
IMO, anyone who gets away with a rape joke is lucky.
ETA: oh and anyone who has a no hecklers policy isn't that good of a comedian.
I thought they all had a no hecklers policy.
They are there for a show, not to interact with some drunk chick in the front row who's trying to have a damned conversation while the comedian is trying to do his bit.
I saw the show live actually. Not that show but the bit we're referring to. Dude has a strict no heckler policy and if homegirl was heckling during the rape joke bit (which I totally buy since a couple girls behind us were all butthurt at that point in the show) then this is where it happened.
I guess I don't understand how anyone familiar with Tosh goes to his show and is offended by anything that comes out of his mouth. Or how being offended means you get to harrass him in the middle of the show. Stay/go home.
Exactly. It would be like me going to a Glenn Beck rally and being offended at his stance on illegal immigrants.
I have all the books I could need, and what more could I need than books? I shall only engage in commerce if books are the coin. -- Catherynne M. Valente
"But here’s the thing: threatening women with rape, making light of rape, and suggesting that women who speak up be raped is not edgy or controversial. It’s the norm. This is what women deal with every day. Maintaining the status quo around violence against women isn’t exactly revolutionary."
She wasn't "speaking up against rape," she was interrupting a show. No one gives a fuck what her opinion is, they came to see Tosh, not her. She acted like an entitled douche and her blogging about how he was the wrong one makes her a bigger douche.
I saw the show live actually. Not that show but the bit we're referring to. Dude has a strict no heckler policy and if homegirl was heckling during the rape joke bit (which I totally buy since a couple girls behind us were all butthurt at that point in the show) then this is where it happened.
I guess I don't understand how anyone familiar with Tosh goes to his show and is offended by anything that comes out of his mouth. Or how being offended means you get to harrass him in the middle of the show. Stay/go home.
This is where I am. He's always offensive. Did she think she was going to change his mind on things?
I haven't read Louis CK's defense yet, but I'm preemptively disappointed. I love Louis.
It's not exactly a rousing defense:
Following Tosh's semi-mea culpa on Twitter for insisting rape is hilarious during his show Friday at the Laugh Factory, C.K. wrote, "@danieltosh your show makes me laugh every time I watch it. And you have pretty eyes."
Not only that, like I said, I saw that show. He preempts the jokes with, dude, some of you are going to find this offensive and if so, I'm wondering if you've ever seen my show and why you're here.
The headlining act when I went was heckled too and he put that heifer in her place as well. With a rape joke, no but he wasn't telling rape jokes when he was heckled. He did talk smack about her within the context of the bit she was interrupting however.
And also, let me add that I have no patience for hecklers. The last time I went to a comedy show it was RUINED by the heckler in the front row. she would not STFU.
She wasn't "speaking up against rape," she was interrupting a show. No one gives a fuck what her opinion is, they came to see Tosh, not her. She acted like an entitled douche and her blogging about how he was the wrong one makes her a bigger douche.
I'm guessing his bit about rape jokes was par for the course, and I'm down with the black humor and inappropriate subject matter. Bring it on. I fucking love his show.
But directly responding to a woman in the audience that it would be funny if she was raped? By like 5 guys? Like, right now?
Sorry. Not funny.
I will say that I find Tosh to be incredibly unfunny in general, and I can get behind putting hecklers in their place. However, his response wasn't a joke and it was completely inappropriate and unfunny. It was also very "easy", which just further reaffirms my low opinion of his talent. I've seen really good comedians put hecklers in their place while still being funny and actually making jokes.
But directly responding to a woman in the audience that it would be funny if she was raped? By like 5 guys? Like, right now?
Sorry. Not funny.
I guess I just don't see how this is so different from the way other comedians respond to hecklers. Like habs said, if she had heckled during a different bit, he probably would have use the context of that bit to hand her her ass. It's not like she was in danger of this actually happening.
But directly responding to a woman in the audience that it would be funny if she was raped? By like 5 guys? Like, right now?
Sorry. Not funny.
I guess I just don't see how this is so different from the way other comedians respond to hecklers. Like habs said, if she had heckled during a different bit, he probably would have use the context of that bit to hand her her ass. It's not like she was in danger of this actually happening.
Uh, maybe because a very large percentage of women have been raped or sexually assaulted? I'm guessing that getting a hot pocket stuffed up your ass, or whatever other comedians say to hecklers, is a lot less common.
It's like, telling a heckler you want to shoot them in the face Dick Cheney-style is way funnier if you aren't holding a shotgun at the time.