This would be a very smart choice as I think Condi could attract the oh-so-important swing others way more than a more conservative running mate ever could.
I swear I just saw her a few days ago saying that she's absolutely not interested.
That said, I don't agree with her on many things, but I do respect her. I don't think Romney choosing her would change my vote, but it'd be a smart choice, I think.
PLUS since most black people only vote on color, she will lock up the black vote, especially since she's blacker than Obama. Just look at how black voters flocked to Herman Cain.
dude, are you high or something? She is condolezza rice, not a no name or a palin.
I was making a comment on how some people seem to think Obama won only because black people vote blindly on race and don't care about anything else.
I am not getting the love for Condi. This is someone whose biggest political accomplishment was pushing the country into war with Iraq based on a huge lie. How many people died, how many people's lives were destroyed, how many trillions of dollars were wasted because of that war?
What exactly has she done to warrant people liking her so much?
I think that would be a really interesting pick on their part, but I also think that the GOP is going to need someone who is way more conservative to lock up the religious right vote.
I just completely disagree with this. Extreme righties, including the religious right, hate Obama. They are voters, always a high percentage in terms of people who show up to the polls. So this isn't a case where they are staying home. If they have to, they'll hold their nose and swallow it - vote for Romney.
I don't understand the logic here. The religious right is not like the youth vote or the AA vote - a base that says home unless they are filed up. They are more like the hardcore liberal progressives. Those folks would not opt out of voting if they didn't like the candidate, better a D than an R. Same philosophy applies here.
Back to Condi - I love her, she's just so sharp. I'd hump the ticket and have spontaneous orgasms watching her destory Biden in a debate. She is pro-choice, but like I said, I don't think that's a problem because the pro-lifers are not voting for Obama and they are not staying home. Their are plenty of I's and R's (like most of the R's on this board), that are moderate or even liberal on social issues, particularly abortion. I think this helps Romney if he can get her on-board.
dude, are you high or something? She is condolezza rice, not a no name or a palin.
I was making a comment on how some people seem to think Obama won only because black people vote blindly on race and don't care about anything else.
I am not getting the love for Condi. This is someone whose biggest political accomplishment was pushing the country into war with Iraq based on a huge lie. How many people died, how many people's lives were destroyed, how many trillions of dollars were wasted because of that war?
What exactly has she done to warrant people liking her so much?
people could say the same about Kennedy and getting us into Vietnam. They are both likable, smart, highly educated people. People see them as a whole package, not on their darkest decision. I get you hate her for Iraq, as you stated so twice, but I would think it is obvious why people respect her. Respect =/= like or love....it is just respect for her.
And I don't necessarily think he needs to choose someone ultra-conservative to woo the far right. There is a certain segment of the population that isn't going to vote for him at all because he is Mormon, but aside from that group I think most conservatives are going to vote for him no matter what. They aren't they type to just stay home, and I can't imagine them going for a 3rd party and thus risking an Obama victory. They're going to consider Romney the lesser of two evils and vote for him no matter who he chooses.
Yup.
ETA: However, does anyone think Bobby Jindal could be on the radar at all? Or is he off the radar for awhile because of that lousy speech he made a few years back?
Everytime DH sees Jindal on TV he picks up one of DS's board books, opens it, and says very slowly "Hi, I'm Bobby Jindal." He's not that into politics but still remembers the horror. I'm willing to bet he's off the Radar.
I was making a comment on how some people seem to think Obama won only because black people vote blindly on race and don't care about anything else.
I am not getting the love for Condi. This is someone whose biggest political accomplishment was pushing the country into war with Iraq based on a huge lie. How many people died, how many people's lives were destroyed, how many trillions of dollars were wasted because of that war?
What exactly has she done to warrant people liking her so much?
people could say the same about Kennedy and getting us into Vietnam. They are both likable, smart, highly educated people. People see them as a whole package, not on their darkest decision. I get you hate her for Iraq, as you stated so twice, but I would think it is obvious why people respect her. Respect =/= like or love....it is just respect for her.
I think "I would hump this ticket" goes beyond mere respect.
I just really don't understand it. I can't overlook what she has actually done in favor of "but she's so likable!"
people could say the same about Kennedy and getting us into Vietnam. They are both likable, smart, highly educated people. People see them as a whole package, not on their darkest decision. I get you hate her for Iraq, as you stated so twice, but I would think it is obvious why people respect her. Respect =/= like or love....it is just respect for her.
I think "I would hump this ticket" goes beyond mere respect.
I just really don't understand it. I can't overlook what she has actually done in favor of "but she's so likable!"
And that is fine. People like things I don't understand either, even things I vehemently disagree with, or dislike.
ETA: However, does anyone think Bobby Jindal could be on the radar at all? Or is he off the radar for awhile because of that lousy speech he made a few years back?
Everytime DH sees Jindal on TV he picks up one of DS's board books, opens it, and says very slowly "Hi, I'm Bobby Jindal." He's not that into politics but still remembers the horror. I'm willing to bet he's off the Radar.
Plus, he doesn't need the Louisiana vote. He needs someone to bring in either an area or help in a week spot. Jindal does neither.
Since Obama came out supporting gay marriage and Romney didn't, the social conservatives are locked in and will vote for Romney even if they hate him, because they hate Obama more. Mittens needs to court the independent voters who are persuaded toward Obama if they are socially liberal. I had no idea Condi was socially liberal.
As for a VP debate... it wouldn't be a good one. Biden would try to be bumbling and funny and Condo would give him a verbal bitch slapping followed by a beat down if he tried to fight back.
My first thought was those opposed to the Iraq war vehemently hate her. She sincerely believes there were WMDs and maintains that position. She would struggle persuading the independents who hate Bush and therefore voted for Obama.
I think Condi is a brilliant woman and is obviously qualified for the job.
But frankly, if the Republican Party wants to show that it's about moving forward, her ties to the administration should disqualify her. The idea of Condi as VP isn't as bad as, say, the idea of Newt as president, but other than the fact that she would bring diversity to the ticket, it doesn't really say to me as a voter that the GOP isn't mired in the past.
I actually think far righties won't give a flying fuck that Condi is socially liberal or any of her actual politics. My mom, for example, is pretty far right, and she freaking LOVES Bush. She would go crazy over a Condi as VP nom. She likes Mitt okay, but Condi would really make her excited.
I like Condi Rice a lot - Romney picking her as his VP would thrill me and potentially send me to donate or campaign for him, other than just vote for him.
Post by charminglife on Jul 13, 2012 9:07:10 GMT -5
I mean, thumbs up for Condi because she's an intelligent, accomplished, qualified candidate. But man, our country has a collectively short memory - I'm surprised anyone from the Bush administration is getting any traction.
I mean, thumbs up for Condi because she's an intelligent, accomplished, qualified candidate. But man, our country has a collectively short memory - I'm surprised anyone from the Bush administration is getting any traction.
Yeah, but remember how many people were voting for NEWT FRIGGIN' GINGRICH during the primaries.
people could say the same about Kennedy and getting us into Vietnam. They are both likable, smart, highly educated people. People see them as a whole package, not on their darkest decision. I get you hate her for Iraq, as you stated so twice, but I would think it is obvious why people respect her. Respect =/= like or love....it is just respect for her.
I think "I would hump this ticket" goes beyond mere respect.
I just really don't understand it. I can't overlook what she has actually done in favor of "but she's so likable!"
Do the majority of Rs care about wars, though? They seem to be more on the "but our freedoms need defending!" side of things. I mean even just saying it was a senseless war, ime, will spur Rs to start listing ways that it was still the right choice given our intel.
I think "I would hump this ticket" goes beyond mere respect.
I just really don't understand it. I can't overlook what she has actually done in favor of "but she's so likable!"
Do the majority of Rs care about wars, though? They seem to be more on the "but our freedoms need defending!" side of things. I mean even just saying it was a senseless war, ime, will spur Rs to start listing ways that it was still the right choice given our intel.
And given that intel at the time a huge amount of Democrats agreed with going to war as well. So I'm not so sure anyone can point fingers at Condi without pointing fingers at a lot of other people.
To answer TTT, I think the main reason for Condi is....she isn't Palin? ;-)
I think that would be a really interesting pick on their part, but I also think that the GOP is going to need someone who is way more conservative to lock up the religious right vote.
I just completely disagree with this. Extreme righties, including the religious right, hate Obama. They are voters, always a high percentage in terms of people who show up to the polls. So this isn't a case where they are staying home. If they have to, they'll hold their nose and swallow it - vote for Romney.
I don't understand the logic here. The religious right is not like the youth vote or the AA vote - a base that says home unless they are filed up. They are more like the hardcore liberal progressives. Those folks would not opt out of voting if they didn't like the candidate, better a D than an R. Same philosophy applies here.
Back to Condi - I love her, she's just so sharp. I'd hump the ticket and have spontaneous orgasms watching her destory Biden in a debate. She is pro-choice, but like I said, I don't think that's a problem because the pro-lifers are not voting for Obama and they are not staying home. Their are plenty of I's and R's (like most of the R's on this board), that are moderate or even liberal on social issues, particularly abortion. I think this helps Romney if he can get her on-board.
I think it would be exciting but I do know that the extreme fundies I know would rather stay home or would end up voting third-party.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
I wonder if there's any reason to be concerned about the parallels in showcasing an attractive vp pick as they did in '08. Should she overshadow Mitt? She could.
I wonder if there's any reason to be concerned about the parallels in showcasing an attractive vp pick as they did in '08. Should she overshadow Mitt? She could.
If Obama lost the election, I would feel not as pissed off with having President Mittens if he had Condi as VP. If that makes any sense.
Perfect sense. In 2008 I said I wouldn't fee as bad if Obama won the election if he DIDN'T have Joe Biden as a VP. Clearly I felt as bad as humanly possible.
Jindal is off the radar for awhile, plus his wife has said she's not interested in ever living in the white house (spouses influence candidate's marketability).
I'm an Independent, moderate but socially left, and all I have to say is that if Condi were the PRESIDENTIAL candidate....I would be all over that shit.
I am hoping Jindal won't be selected. I feel like that's the worst of the choices---not because I hate the man, but because he doesn't bring as much to the table. 2V, you asked if he were still on the radar. Last I checked, there was a RCP article that stated that these five people are top tier:
Bobby Jindal, Tim Pawlenty, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman
Second tier possibilities include Kelly Ayotte and Bob McDonnell.
I think Portman would do a great job; I really believe in him and feel like his moderate temperament and prior votegetting record across all areas of Ohio would help Romney. He has a good political organization in that key swing state as well. However, I think that ironically he might suffer the same fate as Romney himself did in 2008. McCain was considering him, but it was when the "you have multiple houses!" story broke, and he couldn't have another rich guy with multiple houses. If the "rich guy" problem is starting to hurt Romney, Portman may not be the best running mate since he has a high net worth as well. Medved said it was 75 million.
If Romney's worried about the "two rich guys" slur, he might pick somewhat like Pawlenty, the ultimate "do no harm" pick, or Rubio, who according to Open Secrets has less financial wealth and may relate to the troubles of ordinary people.
I agree that we don't judge people on their darkest decision, such as Clinton's inaction which helped lead to 400 thousand dead in the Rwandan genocide. He himself said that was one of his worst moments.
Also, I'd argue the point that he *needs* a conservative. Provided he doesn't pick Jane Fonda, extreme righties couldn't be paid to vote for Obama.
That's obviously true, but I think the question is whether extreme righties will be motivated to vote at all for a "liberal" ticket.
I question how much the VP slot wins or loses anyone's vote anyway. Unless Ron Paul is the VP nominee, I don't think extreme righties are going to believe Romney is really on board with them.
OK if we aren't judging Condi on her "darkest decision" to embroil the US in a war that cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, then what, specifically, are we judging her on? What are some of her better decisions and accomplishments? The fact that she's mildly pro-choice? The fact that she plays piano?