did you know this about LLL?

[photon]

i love lululemon! this, however, really makes me rethink future purchases. this is taken from the health and fitness board. did you know about this?

www.huffingtonpost.com/stewart-j-lawrence/when-yogis-kill-the-grisl_b_1077457.html

toronto.ctvnews.ca/controversial-message-uncovered-in-lululemon-bags-1.289655

[melaniesc]

i definitely knew about the murder at the store. I vividly remember that story being in the news for some reason. the messages on the bags is totally messed up. they covered them up so not to offend people but didn't they realize the message was nutso in the first place?

[bimbi284]

I remember the murder at the store one.

I think people are freaking out a little too much about the "drugs" message, especially since its true. I don't think LLL was trying to tell people to go do drugs and have sex, in fact, I think the message was saying the exact opposite of that...instead saying that regular athletic activity also leads to a "high" similar to what someone might get from using drugs, but obviously in a healthy way. Our bodies are capable of producing the same responses on their own that one can get by abusing a substance.

ETA: Essentially they are saying, do yoga, not drugs.

[mrspost08]

Oh geez! That is craziness!

[photon]

Jul 18, 2012 18:37:33 GMT -5 bimbi284 said:

I remember the murder at the store one.

I think people are freaking out a little too much about the "drugs" message, especially since its true. I don't think LLL was trying to tell people to go do drugs and have sex, in fact, I think the message was saying the exact opposite of that...instead saying that regular athletic activity also leads to a "high" similar to what someone might get from using drugs, but obviously in a healthy way. Our bodies are capable of producing the same responses on their own that one can get by abusing a substance.

ETA: Essentially they are saying, do yoga, not drugs.

they likely did intend to say that yoga, not drugs and that aerobic exercise provides a more sustainable high than sex, drugs, childbirth, etc. if this is their true message, than i agree with it. nonetheless, i find it slightly creepy that this message is embedded inside one of their bags, such that you have to take the covering off of the bag to read the message. and then the message itself can easily be misconstrued. though maybe this is just a good example of well meaning marketing going bad??? for some reason, it still bothers me, though

this is the "hidden" message:

"

“30,000 days. You only have 30,000 days to live. How can you maximize every minute?

To ensure the world continues, nature’s only goals are for humans to reproduce and survive. Nature is not concerned about humans having a fun or great life.

In order to rise above survival and reproduction, humans need to use their imagination to create possibilities. Our greatest creative moments occur when our mind is completely clear of past events and future possibilities.

Some brief or quick fix instances when our minds are clear to be creative are:

before the age of 2
when we are told we are going to die
when drunk or stoned
just after an orgasm
on a yoga or athlete’s “high” which occurs after 40 minutes of continuous aerobic activity
during childbirth

When we are under 2 or about to die, we lack the ability to change most of our lives. When we are drunk or stoned, we are massively creative but we forget what we were creative about. The post orgasm time is not long enough and childbirth creativity is very center focused. The athelete’s “high” is the most long lasting as if can last for up to 6 hours. Humans become addicted to creative moments because when we are creative, we feel the most in control of our lives.

There is little difference between addicts and fanatic athletes. Both are continually searching for a way to remain in a creative state.

Great people are able to leave quick fixes behind and continuously induce creative moments. They are more successful in life because they are more proactive and bring less emotion to the decision making.

Each person has the power to be creative by consciously choosing to live in the moment and eliminate constant brain chatter of what should have happened in the past of what could happen in our future.

Choice is easy once you play with the notion that your brain can only hold one thought at a time.

Choose the moment, be creative and be successful. You only have 30,000 days to live and then you are dead."

[Deleted]

I have nothing to add except that I thought this post would be about Le Leche League.

[FormerCityGirl]

I knew about the murder, but not the bags or naked passes. It really doesn't change my opinion of their quality of product or philosophy. I think things get misconstrued from time to time, but since the store only carries adult clothing I don't have a huge problem with it. They also had a nude Ambassador on their homepage last year for 24 hours to support the Canuck who was getting crap from his teammates in the press. As long as mine does Vino & Vinyasa quarterly, I' good. It's another marketing strategy for adults.

[Deleted]

I read the first article, and the thing that would keep me from ever buying a product from them was lying about seaweed being used to make a bag. Obviously the claim that the seaweed in the bag improves health is ridiculous, but the fact that there was no seaweed at all in the bag and it was simply a cheap, cotton bag pisses me off. Being quirky and controversial is one thing, but blatantly lying about a product is another.

[minna]

That doesn't keep me from shopping there, but quoting Atlas Shrugged does.

www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/business/media/combines-ayn-rand-and-yoga.html

[minna]

Jul 18, 2012 20:24:41 GMT -5 minna said:

That doesn't keep me from shopping there, but quoting Atlas Shrugged does.

www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/business/media/combines-ayn-rand-and-yoga.html

I also don't understand spending that much on clothes made in questionable conditions, when I can get locally made products or a similar amount.

[FormerCityGirl]

They were originally made in Alberta, but are coming out of Vietnam now. They stand behind their quality for years. You can bring in something showing wear that it shouldn't and theywill repair or replace no questions asked. They also do free classes weekly, free alterations, support runners in local races, and a lot of charitable giving to good organizations happens through them. There's a lot more good than not happening in the stores. The service is amazing at my local store.

[averyjessup]

I knew about the murder but I do think it's a little crappy that the 1st article sort of implies that it's LLLs fault because they are supposed to hire people who are yogis and a yogi wouldn't kill anyone. Sometimes people are just crazy.

I don't see anything particularly controversial about the message on the bags, either. I'm pretty meh about the whole thing.

[cole]

Jul 18, 2012 20:41:20 GMT -5 averyjessup said:

I knew about the murder but I do think it's a little crappy that the 1st article sort of implies that it's LLLs fault because they are supposed to hire people who are yogis and a yogi wouldn't kill anyone. Sometimes people are just crazy.

I don't see anything particularly controversial about the message on the bags, either. I'm pretty meh about the whole thing.

There were articles stating Brittany Norwood as working in the Georgetown store then transfered to Bethesda because of stealing, which was also speculated as the reason behind her killing Jayna Murray though not introduced at trial. Obviously there are a buch of what ifs there, but living here and following extensive coverage of it certainly made me question their business practices.

[photon]

Jul 18, 2012 20:49:17 GMT -5 @theycalledherkate said:

none of that changes how I feel---their products and styles are superior. The murder could have happened at any store and I don't care that they have messages hidded in the bags. NBD, IMO. I'm more shocked that the Apple employees who heard the screaming coming from the store didn't do something sooner. How do you NOT act upon that?

i clearly live in a bubble. other people heard the girl screaming for help while she was being murdered, and no one was concerned?

[emyinpink]

I knew about the murder, and neither the murder nor the messages would deter me from future Lulu purchases .

[Deleted]

I knew about the murder. IIRC, the deceased was originally from my area.

I've never shopped at LLL b/c I think their pricing is outragous. I have 2prs of Nike yoga pants, one of which is 7yrs old ajd still looks brand new. They were $60 and are supposedly made from recycled plastic bottles. I'd be hard pressed to throw them over for LLL.

[kris356]

Jul 18, 2012 20:49:17 GMT -5 @theycalledherkate said:

I'm more shocked that the Apple employees who heard the screaming coming from the store didn't do something sooner. How do you NOT act upon that?

When I first heard about this story, I was appalled at the inaction of the people working at the Apple store, LLL never crossed my mind.

I personally do not own any LLL, the prices are just too rich for my blood to go sweat in, but my sister is a yoga instructor and loves their clothes.

[hz80408]

I agree with Amy. Yea the murder is a bit creepy, but that kind of stuff does happen (Old Navy on State St here in 2010; an ex-boyfriend of an employee went into the store, killed her and then himself.); While that's sad, that wouldn't deter me from shopping a particular brand/store.

Like Amy, I just haven't bought into the hype that the brand/quality is worth the extra money compared to Nike for my running apparel. Plus, although I prefer Nike, I like buying it from the small local running store and supporting their company.

[grace]

The murder is definitely disturbing, but I don't really fault LLL for it. The bag message doesn't bother me either.

The CEO does seem like a scumbag, and it's pretty douchey to choose to use child labor and excuse it as giving children jobs to improve their lives. Seems like they've had quite a few scandals.

The seaweed thing also bothers me. Just say it's cotton, you can still jack the price up to ridiculous, people will pay for it anyway.

[misshark122]

My good friend works at LLL and
Just last week I asked her about it and she told me it is like a cult!

[photon]

Jul 19, 2012 16:14:18 GMT -5 misshark122 said:

My good friend works at LLL and
Just last week I asked her about it and she told me it is like a cult!

based on the articles i have read, i totally buy that

[kate1482]

Jul 18, 2012 20:35:26 GMT -5 FormerCityGirl said:

They were originally made in Alberta, but are coming out of Vietnam now. They stand behind their quality for years. You can bring in something showing wear that it shouldn't and theywill repair or replace no questions asked. They also do free classes weekly, free alterations, support runners in local races, and a lot of charitable giving to good organizations happens through them. There's a lot more good than not happening in the stores. The service is amazing at my local store.

I love lululemon but they have had a dramatic decline in quality lately. The groove or wunder unders will not last years like they use to. Major fabric bleeding issues/pilly see thru luon/poor stitching. It's a bummer that a awesome brand has fallen so fast.