JCrew Vanity Size

[fiddles]

What do you think?


JCrew Vanity Sizing

[ashap]

I saw this on the today show this morning. 

JCrew is a pretty bad culprit of US vanity sizing (my most recent purchases here are all XXsmall or 00) and I think that's crazy, in designer clothing I'm always a 4.  

With that being said if they are introducing a NEW size (a 23) instead of re-sizing their 25 to a 23 for vanity purposes I think that's fine.  

[sa]

A few comments:

-The article is annoying, but it is the Daily Mail.
-People with small waists like myself need to shop somewhere - and it has nothing to do with making other people feel bad/fat (The comment about people with a 23 in waist = 6-8 y.o child grates my nerves)
-I do think 000 is a dumb size number.

[glw]

I really do not understand why the US doesn't just use an actual measurement for sizes. Call the 000 a 23. Humans are not ever 3 x 0 sized.

[LoveBug]

I don't know. I think they need to have clothes that fit all sizes. Obviously there are people that have a size 23 waist. I wear a 25 (in most stores), sometimes a 24, and I don't think I am not small so I often wonder where those who are smaller shop for clothes. I think the loft runs really big and sometimes there isn't a size for me.

I would like to see more stores add larger sizes. I hate that some of my close friends can't seem to find clothes that fit in particular stores. So again, I think it would be nice if stores can accommodate as many sizes as possible.

[glw]

Jul 9, 2014 15:21:04 GMT -5 sa said:

comment about people with a 23 in waist = 6-8 y.o child grates my nerves)

Agreed. Very small women do not need to be compared to children any more than they already are. There are adults who are a perfectly healthy natural size 23. 

[bcarp30]

Part of me also thinks it's a money making ploy. Younger girls like the fashion and will buy the regular priced J.Crew clothing over Crewcuts. I wouldn't think it is anything more than that.

[billysgirl07]

Jul 9, 2014 15:22:23 GMT -5 LoveBug said:

I don't know. I think they need to have clothes that fit all sizes. Obviously there are people that have a size 23 waist. I wear a 25 (in most stores), sometimes a 24, and I don't think I am not small so I often wonder where those who are smaller shop for clothes. I think the loft runs really big and sometimes there isn't a size for me.

I would like to see more stores add larger sizes. I hate that some of my close friends can't seem to find clothes that fit in particular stores. So again, I think it would be nice if stores can accommodate as many sizes as possible.

Yes.  I used to work at the Loft and we had clients come in all of the time who were sized out of our clothes.

One thing I would be interested to know is if J.Crew's items are TTS.  I mean, I know what I wear there but is it really consistent with other retailers sizing?  Did they really need to add a 000 or would adjusting their 00 to be consistent to the standards of others in the industry help the issue?

I also agree, it wouldn't hurt to add sizes (or make them more available) at the other end of the spectrum.  So if you are adding 000 make 16's more available in stores rather than requiring them to be online only.  I understand that stores stock based on what they sell and blah blah blah but is there a demand for it?

And really, people just need to get over the "size" of things.  Buy what fits best.  People who are wearing the right size clothing always look far better no matter what size they are.

[aak0517]

To answer ^^^ - for me, Jcrew isn't TTS. I end up ordering one (sometimes two) sizes smaller than what I normally wear at other stores. That includes tops and bottoms. I finally figured this out which makes it easier to shop their site bc at first when ordering online (I've only started shopping JC more often recently) I was ordering my regular size and ended up swimming in the clothes.

[bimbi284]

Jul 9, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5 billysgirl07 said:

Jul 9, 2014 15:22:23 GMT -5 LoveBug said:

I don't know. I think they need to have clothes that fit all sizes. Obviously there are people that have a size 23 waist. I wear a 25 (in most stores), sometimes a 24, and I don't think I am not small so I often wonder where those who are smaller shop for clothes. I think the loft runs really big and sometimes there isn't a size for me.

I would like to see more stores add larger sizes. I hate that some of my close friends can't seem to find clothes that fit in particular stores. So again, I think it would be nice if stores can accommodate as many sizes as possible.

Yes.  I used to work at the Loft and we had clients come in all of the time who were sized out of our clothes.

One thing I would be interested to know is if J.Crew's items are TTS.  I mean, I know what I wear there but is it really consistent with other retailers sizing?  Did they really need to add a 000 or would adjusting their 00 to be consistent to the standards of others in the industry help the issue?

I also agree, it wouldn't hurt to add sizes (or make them more available) at the other end of the spectrum.  So if you are adding 000 make 16's more available in stores rather than requiring them to be online only.  I understand that stores stock based on what they sell and blah blah blah but is there a demand for it?

And really, people just need to get over the "size" of things.  Buy what fits best.  People who are wearing the right size clothing always look far better no matter what size they are.

The problem is the lack of standards in the industry. It can be frustrating going into a store (or shopping online), knowing you are one size, but then having that size not fit you in that particular store because they decided that in their clothes, you are actually X size for whatever reason. In J Crew and JCF, I can be an xxs or 00 in some tops, but a M in other stores. 

I think its great that petite women will have another option (though for some of those that like J Crew, the crewcuts stuff was working well - I gather that J crew may have caught on, and wants these women to spend more "adult" size money vs crewcuts money).

I've seen other graphics similar to this that just show the variation in sizing, which I think speaks to the idea of the standards which are non-existent. 

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Jul 9, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5 billysgirl07 said:

Jul 9, 2014 15:22:23 GMT -5 LoveBug said:

I don't know. I think they need to have clothes that fit all sizes. Obviously there are people that have a size 23 waist. I wear a 25 (in most stores), sometimes a 24, and I don't think I am not small so I often wonder where those who are smaller shop for clothes. I think the loft runs really big and sometimes there isn't a size for me.

I would like to see more stores add larger sizes. I hate that some of my close friends can't seem to find clothes that fit in particular stores. So again, I think it would be nice if stores can accommodate as many sizes as possible.

Yes.  I used to work at the Loft and we had clients come in all of the time who were sized out of our clothes.

One thing I would be interested to know is if J.Crew's items are TTS.  I mean, I know what I wear there but is it really consistent with other retailers sizing?  Did they really need to add a 000 or would adjusting their 00 to be consistent to the standards of others in the industry help the issue?

I also agree, it wouldn't hurt to add sizes (or make them more available) at the other end of the spectrum.  So if you are adding 000 make 16's more available in stores rather than requiring them to be online only.  I understand that stores stock based on what they sell and blah blah blah but is there a demand for it?

And really, people just need to get over the "size" of things.  Buy what fits best.  People who are wearing the right size clothing always look far better no matter what size they are.

If stores never stock it, they have no idea what they would sell.

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I wish JCrew sold plus sizes too. I really like their clothes, but alas it is not to be.

I don't wish the problem of finding nice clothes on anyone. It has got to be tough on very small women. My sister often wears a 0 and she's not underweight and 5'7". We wonder what actual tiny people wear.

[fiddles]

Jul 9, 2014 15:21:56 GMT -5 glw said:

I really do not understand why the US doesn't just use an actual measurement for sizes. Call the 000 a 23. Humans are not ever 3 x 0 sized.

I'm with you on this.  I think instead of fancy sizing just go with what you are.  23, 24, whatever.

[scout8]

Stores vanity size because it works. They sell more clothes this way. I have been saying for years that if they keep doing it, they are going to have 00, 000, 0000 sizes. When will it stop? I recently bought a vintage dress from the 60's. It is 2-3 sizes larger than the size I wear in 2014. Ridiculous.

[calips]

Well I have apparently dropped 2-3 sizes over the past 15 years so I'm not sad.

That said its strange that a 5'11" woman like me with boobs, booty, and not a small waist can wear size 4 and s or xs. That just doesn't make sense. And I can see that sizing out the smaller frame gals.

I tried on a pair of Jennifer lopez boyfriend jeans and needed a 0?! What?! My husband said "if you are a 0 in those what does someone who really is small wear?" Thanks. Jerk.



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Jul 9, 2014 16:23:26 GMT -5 bimbi284 said:

Jul 9, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5 billysgirl07 said:

Yes.  I used to work at the Loft and we had clients come in all of the time who were sized out of our clothes.

One thing I would be interested to know is if J.Crew's items are TTS.  I mean, I know what I wear there but is it really consistent with other retailers sizing?  Did they really need to add a 000 or would adjusting their 00 to be consistent to the standards of others in the industry help the issue?

I also agree, it wouldn't hurt to add sizes (or make them more available) at the other end of the spectrum.  So if you are adding 000 make 16's more available in stores rather than requiring them to be online only.  I understand that stores stock based on what they sell and blah blah blah but is there a demand for it?

And really, people just need to get over the "size" of things.  Buy what fits best.  People who are wearing the right size clothing always look far better no matter what size they are.

The problem is the lack of standards in the industry. It can be frustrating going into a store (or shopping online), knowing you are one size, but then having that size not fit you in that particular store because they decided that in their clothes, you are actually X size for whatever reason. In J Crew and JCF, I can be an xxs or 00 in some tops, but a M in other stores. 

I think its great that petite women will have another option (though for some of those that like J Crew, the crewcuts stuff was working well - I gather that J crew may have caught on, and wants these women to spend more "adult" size money vs crewcuts money).

I've seen other graphics similar to this that just show the variation in sizing, which I think speaks to the idea of the standards which are non-existent. 

Bimbi nailed it.  There is no such thing as TTS b/c there are no industry standards.

I think the vanity sizing issue is more obvious in the smaller sizes.  I wear a size 10 dress and size 8 pant in pretty much every brand I've ever tried.  Shoes are the area I have problems with - I measure between a 6-6.5B on the measurer thing, but end up buying anything from a 5.5 to a 7.5 depending on the shoe which is ridiculous.  And don't even get me started on bras.

[callmehales]

WHERE IS THE VANITY SIZING FOR TALL GIRLS?!

[NachoProblem]

The most shocking thing about the infographic that bimbi284 posted is that H&M is pretending their sizing is consistent WITHIN their brand. Liars.

[callmehales]

Jul 9, 2014 21:32:11 GMT -5 NachoProblem said:

The most shocking thing about the infographic that bimbi284 posted is that H&M is pretending their sizing is consistent WITHIN their brand. Liars.

i literally can't figure out what the picture is trying to tell me.

but it seems bad.