A lot of this stuff sounds like typical, run of the mill Catholic teaching.
We heard a lot about the supposed evils of birth control when we did our Catholic pre-marital stuff.
Yes it does. The same couple who was preaching to us about the importance of not having kids before you're ready and using NFP until that time because it's highly effective later talked about how their struggle with IF brought them closer together. I mean no offense at all to those going through IF as I understand how devastating it is, but you can't claim that NFP works great then admit that you're infertile.
Of course it depends on your mode of infertility. NFP did work perfectly for us. I was careful about it with temping, checking CM, etc. Not ryhthm, actual NFP. And I could get pregnant at the drop of a hat when we first started, they just wouldn't stick. We never had a pg in a month that we were trying to avoid or didn't have sex during the fertile window. High success rate in getting a positive on the months we did try (until the end when I think my body just gave up). So yes, I'm infertile, but I think NFP really does work if you actually do it right. Counting to 14 isn't doing it right.
NFP is for people who could deal with a baby right now but kind of sort of want to wait. It's not for people who super serious absolutely don't want a kid.
I have to disagree with this. We used NFP for years when we knew we would never want kids. Now, DH has had his V so it's not an issue, but there are plenty of people who legitimately use NFP as a method of BC.
Whhhhhy. What are these girls going to do when they have their desired 2.5 children? A vasectomy is a good option but not every man wants to have it done. Using some type of BC method is not "poisoning" your body. Gimme a break.
I disagree with this. Personally, I think the default BC option in long-term relationships where there is no more desire to have kids should be vasectomy. Less invasive, less side effects, no potential for forgetting. Why should he get a favored "I don't want to" when he doesn't have to bear the pregnancy or the side effects of female BC?
Could be but I wouldn't force anyone to sterilize themselves if they didn't want to considering there are some good long term options available. Plus a lot of people might think they're done but be only 99% sure. If you're having sex without any kind of protection, you're "trying" in my book and ought to be open to the possibility of a baby
I disagree with this. Personally, I think the default BC option in long-term relationships where there is no more desire to have kids should be vasectomy. Less invasive, less side effects, no potential for forgetting. Why should he get a favored "I don't want to" when he doesn't have to bear the pregnancy or the side effects of female BC?
Could be but I wouldn't force anyone to sterilize themselves if they didn't want to considering there are some good long term options available. Plus a lot of people might think they're done but be only 99% sure. If you're having sex without any kind of protection, you're "trying" in my book and ought to be open to the possibility of a baby
My protection is science. I can't get pregnant if there is no egg to meet the sperm and no appropriate lining to support it. I find it funny that the people who yell about others not understanding biology refuse to accept NFP which is based in biology.
Yes it does. The same couple who was preaching to us about the importance of not having kids before you're ready and using NFP until that time because it's highly effective later talked about how their struggle with IF brought them closer together. I mean no offense at all to those going through IF as I understand how devastating it is, but you can't claim that NFP works great then admit that you're infertile.
Of course it depends on your mode of infertility. NFP did work perfectly for us. I was careful about it with temping, checking CM, etc. Not ryhthm, actual NFP. And I could get pregnant at the drop of a hat when we first started, they just wouldn't stick. We never had a pg in a month that we were trying to avoid or didn't have sex during the fertile window. High success rate in getting a positive on the months we did try (until the end when I think my body just gave up). So yes, I'm infertile, but I think NFP really does work if you actually do it right. Counting to 14 isn't doing it right.
That's interesting. I'll admit you're the first person I know who had success with nfp after knowing quite a few people who have used it.
NFP is for people who could deal with a baby right now but kind of sort of want to wait. It's not for people who super serious absolutely don't want a kid.
I have to disagree with this. We used NFP for years when we knew we would never want kids. Now, DH has had his V so it's not an issue, but there are plenty of people who legitimately use NFP as a method of BC.
Every now and then though your cycle can turn wonky for whatever reason and you can ovulate early. It's a pretty big risk to take if you don't want another baby.
Could be but I wouldn't force anyone to sterilize themselves if they didn't want to considering there are some good long term options available. Plus a lot of people might think they're done but be only 99% sure. If you're having sex without any kind of protection, you're "trying" in my book and ought to be open to the possibility of a baby
My protection is science. I can't get pregnant if there is no egg to meet the sperm and no appropriate lining to support it. I find it funny that the people who yell about others not understanding biology refuse to accept NFP which is based in biology.
Can't sperm live for a few days in the Fallopian tubes? Plus sometimes you can ovulate earlier than usual (just as you can have a cycle without any ovulation). Plus just plain user error when calculating dates. Not everyone's cycle is precise and orderly. That's why you'll find a lot of people using NFP with an oops baby. And as long as they're open to that possibility, great. But if you're not, there's no shame in getting an iud or buying some condoms.
My protection is science. I can't get pregnant if there is no egg to meet the sperm and no appropriate lining to support it. I find it funny that the people who yell about others not understanding biology refuse to accept NFP which is based in biology.
Can't sperm live for a few days in the Fallopian tubes? Plus sometimes you can ovulate earlier than usual (just as you can have a cycle without any ovulation). Plus just plain user error when calculating dates. Not everyone's cycle is precise and orderly. That's why you'll find a lot of people using NFP with an oops baby. And as long as they're open to that possibility, great. But if you're not, there's no shame in getting an iud or buying some condoms.
That's why the fertile window accounts for those days. And you're not just counting days, you're checking for biological signs that your body is preparing to release an egg. But you can't half-ass it and expect it to work. If you aren't consistent, you aren't going to notice the small change that signals the hormone change that releases the egg. Yes, there are some people who the change is too small that they aren't going to notice it within the margin of normal fluctuations of the body. But that's not the norm.
Post by AdaraMarie on Jul 24, 2014 13:44:08 GMT -5
I love nfp! I never want to use hormones again if I can help it. I can't use it right now because dd2 doesn't sleep, but I used it to avoid and to conceive for two years in between babies. I get pregnant very easily, and it worked really well for me still, and yes, it is science
However, I would never tell someone they shouldn't use whatever bc they want. I was on the pill for like 10 years.
I really wish I knew about it when I was younger, not only as it relates to sex, but just how my body works.
Post by omgzombies on Jul 24, 2014 14:04:31 GMT -5
For a long time I didn't realize there was any difference between NFP and the rhythm method. I was initially thought that they were the same. For NFP you need to chart your cervical position/firmness, discharge and then on top of that chart your temps (correctly). If you are just charting your basal body temp, all it will do is tell you after you've ovulated, which is too late. The problem with NFP is that there is a lot of room for human error, and a lot of variety in types of CM, body temp, etc. If you're irregular, I imagine it would be a pain in the ass.
I'm the perfect candidate NFP, body works like clockwork, and it's really noticeable when I ovulate, as in I don't even have to chart to know it's happening. We used it for a couple years successfully, and could most likely continue using it if we wanted to, and I am confident we'd never have an unwanted baby, assuming I paid attention. Not everyone is the same though, not everyone has such noticeable tells, not everyone wants to have to pay attention to their body, and it's stressful for some people to use NFP. All hail BC in all it's wonderful forms! Cause sex is awesome, and I don't want to have to "control myself" whatever the fuck that means.
I have to disagree with this. We used NFP for years when we knew we would never want kids. Now, DH has had his V so it's not an issue, but there are plenty of people who legitimately use NFP as a method of BC.
Every now and then though your cycle can turn wonky for whatever reason and you can ovulate early. It's a pretty big risk to take if you don't want another baby.
For some that is true, but my cycle is like clockwork so it worked for us. It's all about finding the right BC method for each individual. I was simply disagreeing with the assertion that anyone how practices NFP is ok with getting pregnant because that's just false.
I have to disagree with this. We used NFP for years when we knew we would never want kids. Now, DH has had his V so it's not an issue, but there are plenty of people who legitimately use NFP as a method of BC.
Every now and then though your cycle can turn wonky for whatever reason and you can ovulate early. It's a pretty big risk to take if you don't want another baby.
If you're using NFP correctly, you should be able to tell you're ovulating, because you're not basing it on just counting the days. That's the rhythm method.
Every now and then though your cycle can turn wonky for whatever reason and you can ovulate early. It's a pretty big risk to take if you don't want another baby.
If you're using NFP correctly, you should be able to tell you're ovulating, because you're not basing it on just counting the days. That's the rhythm method.
I agree with this.
The only reason I wouldn't use charting/NFP alone as a method is, duh, the days you're supposed to avoid are the days that biology is making you the most horny.
Now, some who claim they use NFP would use a barrier method during the fertile period, but then I consider that using another BC method. Pure NFP, without allowing for use of condoms during the fertile period, sounds like it would suck.
I'm surprised #2 didn't add "THANK YOU FOR EATING THE APPLE, EVE!!!!" on her sign with a smiley face at the end of it.
I'm betting that the poster originally said, "that's a normal part of being a women!" And then she either corrected it herself by drawing the flower over the "a," or the photographer pointed it out to her and asked her to fix it so that she didn't look even more stupid for their cause.
#5 really seems to come across like women who use BC are sluts and whores. Oh wait, why else would anyone use BC and poison their bodies? These girls need look beyond themselves instead of smiling for Buzzfeed clickbait.
If I had to worry about getting pregnant every time I had sex, I don't think I'd ever be able to finish. (TMI?) Just visions of 2 a.m. feedings and dirty diapers in my head the whole time. If BF wants to keep that part of his "gift" to himself, be my guest.
I want to like every post in this thread. If only the world was populated entirely with PCE posters. I took a Catholic pre cana class and the part about NFP was funny. They showed a video of a couple looking at each other like "should we get it on?" and made it seem like deciding to screw when a woman was fertile was a fun, sort of romantic spontaneous thought people had. Looking back, I'm sort of lolling at my H remembering where in my cycle I am when the effer can't even remember to take out the garbage.
I hear about what's involved in NFP and I'm just like
Right??
I'm really not anti-NFP at all, despite how my comments were taking here. And I know there's science behind it. I have the damned TCOYF and all of that. But I do not consider it as reliable a form of birth control as other methods and I think it's quite silly to pretend as if it is. If the lower risk is one a family is willing to deal with, that's great. But the human aspect involved in NFP makes is less reliable and that's just as science based as NFP and IUDs.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
Of course it depends on your mode of infertility. NFP did work perfectly for us. I was careful about it with temping, checking CM, etc. Not ryhthm, actual NFP. And I could get pregnant at the drop of a hat when we first started, they just wouldn't stick. We never had a pg in a month that we were trying to avoid or didn't have sex during the fertile window. High success rate in getting a positive on the months we did try (until the end when I think my body just gave up). So yes, I'm infertile, but I think NFP really does work if you actually do it right. Counting to 14 isn't doing it right.
That's interesting. I'll admit you're the first person I know who had success with nfp after knowing quite a few people who have used it.
Worked for us five years and then another two. I was pregnant within two months both times we started trying. I didn't do it for any religious reason since I'm an atheist but because the pill is bad for me personally and H is allergic to latex. I now have a Mirena and H will get a V once we're absolutely certain we're done.