Yes. But, like imimahoney pointed out, there were Jews that did already occupy this land as well. More and more Jews continued to emigrate after the wars, which obviously led to more takeover of land.
The area has been considered holy land since forever.
By several different groups, correct? It was disputed territory long before WWII. Right, rjamz?
After the Ottoman empire fell in 1919 the land was up for grabs. Mostly GB took control but modern day Iran, Iraq and Egypt also had a hand in the scuffle.
OK, so Hamas arose from the people who had the land since the beginning of time (because they actually did or because their religion dictated they did??). Then, the western world took that land and gave it to someone else. That land is still officially belongs to the people who it was "gifted" to after WW2. And the original owners are still mad.
Hamas has only existed for 30 years tops as an organization. They were in neighboring Arab nations before entering Palestine. When they won control of Palestine they claimed to be only political but that wasn't really the case.
But you also have to look at why a terrorist org was able to rise to power. Gaza is pretty much hell on earth in deep contrast to the west bank which is doing well in comparison. In part it is because of Israeli policy and their own failures in the area.
Also, in response Israeli response to the rockets... The consensus from the Israelis that I know is of they let the rockets fall and do not defend themselves then it gives other Arab nations the idea that Israel is weak and open to attack.
It is a real fear that Israel would be wiped off the map and that Jews would be massacred if they don't defeat hamas.
Yes. Hamas promised the Palestinians a better life and instead has funneled most of the money into weapons and underground tunnels that they use to attack Israelis.
The plight of the Palestinians in Gaza cannot and should not be ignored, no matter what side of the issue you're on.
And the Ottoman Empire did it's own shuffling of ownership and people. And before that the land had been considered French, English, Turkish, etc. sometimes it was considered priceless and sometimes worthless.
It is really pretty hard to designate who the land belongs to. Or who it doesn't.
Post by dixeedeluxe on Jul 25, 2014 8:04:14 GMT -5
shit dudes. this sucks. thanks for talking me through it. i think it was kind of blowing my mind because the land belongs to everyone (as opposed to no one).
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Thank you for this discussion. I try to wrap my mind around it and I too needed the "dumbed down version". I think I need to print all this out to refer back t.
Post by imimahoney on Jul 25, 2014 15:56:19 GMT -5
@tambcat
Gaza was not part of the original land agreement but after every Arab nation invaded Israel once it was granted its independence it was thought of as contested land. It was won and occupied, I believe in 1967.
Post by monkeybabe on Jul 25, 2014 16:36:43 GMT -5
My ex basement dweller said that a lot of the Palestinian people hate the Israeli government and the settlers, not Israel as a whole. Unfortunately, much like many places hate the U.S because of our government, many Palestinians judge the whole by the head.
ETA: Ex-basement dweller is Palestinian, and a first generation American. His parents spend months of the year there.
I'm half Palestinian (dad was born outside if Ramallah) although my family (my grandparents) immigrated to Jordan during the 40s when their home was overtaken by Israeli troops in the war. I have a lot of relatives still living there though.
My Palestinian family hates Hamas. They have done nothing for the people of Gaza except cause trouble.
Gaza is a wasteland. It is very very very difficult for people to have any kind of quality of life thanks to sanctions and restrictions placed on it- due to the threat of Hamas.
As much as I would love to see peace, I have a hard time believing it will happen. Religion is way too big of a factor. Neither side will be ok with what the other wants because of the religious ties to the land. They will never agree to each other's demands. So, the violence cycles.
It makes me so sad. I have a good friend who is Israeli and we talk a lot about this. We both hope that one day our kids can see our counties at peace. That it will be as easy for me to take the boys to Palestine as it is for him to take his girls to Israel.
I realize that I didn't share any history (it's been covered) but felt like sharing my own words