PSU Sanctions

[redheadbaker]

Someone on my BMB board (she's also a PSU grad) is complaining that the sanctions levied against the school punish the "100% innocent," and don't affect Paterno, Curley, Schultz or Spanier.

My thought is -- are they meant to?

[Deleted]

They are meant to send a message: you need better internal control or look what happens.

plus, the players are allowed to transfer without penalty. So although it does slightly punish them, they can get out. Its not like their college careers are ruined.

[emilyj]

When the NCAA hands out sanctions, they never punish the people that committed the actual infraction. So in the true spirit of the NCAA, you could say that no, NCAA sanctions rarely punish the actual offenders.

In terms of true NCAA violations (paying players, paying families, compliance issues, etc.) I don't have an issue with that. I obviously have an issue with the NCAA's actions in this case, as I said in the other thread.

But the person on your other thread isn't 100% right - the NCAA vacated JoePa's wins, so they actually ARE punishing JoePa, and part of their sanctions do affect him.

[Velvetshady]

Can you please ask her how exactly the NCAA is supposed to "punish" a dead person?

[redheadbaker]

Jul 23, 2012 14:23:29 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

Can you please ask her how exactly the NCAA is supposed to "punish" a dead person?

Reading back, it was me that mentioned Paterno first (his wins being vacated). She mentioned that the sanctions don't punish Sandusky (not Paterno), Curley, Schultz or Spanier.

[eclaires]

Oh yes they do.

Why did they cover up Sandusky's raping of kids? Was it because they think raping kids is cool?

Nope. They did it because football was more important than anything. Guess it's not so important now. I think it does punish them - this is why they didn't report him - kind of blew up in their face, didn't it?

[emilyj]

Schultz and Spanier weren't a part of the athletic department - so the NCAA has no jurisdiction over them.

They need to be held accountable by other agencies - the Feds, the Board of Ed, state law enforcement, etc.,

If you want to get technical, if the NCAA can come in and impose sanctions, then shouldn't SACS have the right now to come in and impose sanctions since people in academic positions were involved?

[Deleted]

I do think it punishes people who are innocent in all this but I don't see what the alternative is supposed to be.

Sometimes innocent people are affected by the actions of shittastic people. It's just the way things go. You sound like a clueless, insensitive, self absorbed heiferbeast when you start wailing about the poor innocents after hearing about what happened to those innocent children.

[Velvetshady]

Jul 23, 2012 14:26:13 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jul 23, 2012 14:23:29 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

Can you please ask her how exactly the NCAA is supposed to "punish" a dead person?

Reading back, it was me that mentioned Paterno first (his wins being vacated). She mentioned that the sanctions don't punish Sandusky (not Paterno), Curley, Schultz or Spanier.

Well poo. I was hoping for a story about how the NCAA would pick up their Afterlife Headset to their reps on the sidelines of Alferlife Field:

NCAA: See that Paterno guy in the suit and hat? Yeah, orders from above--give him hell.

Headset wearer: Umm, sir, we already are in hell.


Kidding aside, What does she think the NCAA can do to the individuals? Sandusky is in jail--what suspend his access to NCAA events? Does she think the NCAA can do more to Curley, Schultz, or Spainer than their employer, the state, or the Feds can do?

[bqbride]

Jul 23, 2012 14:39:20 GMT -5 @habbsies said:

I do think it punishes people who are innocent in all this but I don't see what the alternative is supposed to be.

Sometimes innocent people are affected by the actions of shittastic people. It's just the way things go. You sound like a clueless, insensitive, self absorbed heiferbeast when you start wailing about the poor innocents after hearing about what happened to those innocent children.

STANDING FUCKING OVATION, HABBSIES!!!!!!

It sickens me that people are more worried about how "fair" these sanctions are than they are about the CHILDREN who were FORCIBLY RAPED for a DECADE AND A HALF (at least), while the school turned a blind eye. Boo fucking hoo, is all I can say.

[pescalita]

Also, they removed his record as winningest coach in college FB history, so to the extent that they could, they kinda did punish a dead guy.