Yet when I asked "what is the definition of reasonable amount" he said "Not this!"
I was traveling with 15 bottles, 8 oz each, Ready-to-Feed because that's what DD drinks. They were packaged together in 1 oversized Ziploc to make it easier to get through security. She takes between 4 - 5 bottles a day. So these 15 bottles combined with a few 2 oz nursette bottles & pouches/jars was about a 3 day supply of her food on hand.
He also told me that he has a 2 year old so he knows that I was carrying an unreasonable amount for a 2 hour flight to NYC. Really? Because in my non-breezy mind, I want to be prepared when the airline cancels our flight for no good reason and doesn't rebook us until the next day. Sure enough, DD experienced her first mechanical delay on this flight but thankfully it was only an hour.
In the end, he lifted the outer covering on each bottle to test every single one and let us go.
What do you think? Unreasonable to expect to feed my kid since Starbucks doesn't carry Enfamil?
Post by irishbride2 on Sept 4, 2014 16:58:41 GMT -5
lol. You don't need three days of formula in case a non stop flight is canceled. They do sell it at stores. I don't pack three days of diapers in my carry on.
I will eta to say that ds was on RX formula. Even then I didn't carry on all of it for a long trip. I called ahead to a pharmacy in my destination and then brought a full days worth JIC on the plane. I'm thinking NYC has stores that sell Formula.
Reasonable is subjective. If the TSA agent said a similar quantity of breast milk was unreasonable, there would be an outcry.
I brought 100+ ounces of breast milk through TSA multiple times with no objection (or further testing). And that was with no infant traveling with me so there was no question of immediate comfort during the flight.
Reasonable is subjective. If the TSA agent said a similar quantity of breast milk was unreasonable, there would be an outcry.
I brought 100+ ounces of breast milk through TSA multiple times with no objection (or further testing). And that was with no infant traveling with me so there was no question of immediate comfort during the flight.
I'm actually surprised you were allowed. On the flip side, when I traveled without DD when she was little, I had to ship back my BM that I had pumped in dry ice. I called ahead and they told me it was too much to bring on the plan.
Lol this post has made me realize I apparently travel too much.
Reasonable is subjective. If the TSA agent said a similar quantity of breast milk was unreasonable, there would be an outcry.
I brought 100+ ounces of breast milk through TSA multiple times with no objection (or further testing). And that was with no infant traveling with me so there was no question of immediate comfort during the flight.
I'm actually surprised you were allowed. On the flip side, when I traveled without DD when she was little, I had to ship back my BM that I had pumped in dry ice. I called ahead and they told me it was too much to bring on the plan.
Lol this post has made me realize I apparently travel too much.
I was traveling right after a TSA debacle when they made a woman drink her breast milk when she refused to open it all and have it swabbed. That may have made a difference. But I also think the breastfeeding advocates are very loud and vocal and TSA just doesn't want to deal. So if I had called ahead, they may have said not to, but they didn't challenge me at all.
Post by Ashley&Scott on Sept 4, 2014 17:23:20 GMT -5
My boss just went in an international trip. They missed their connecting flight & were delayed 24 hours. To top it off the airlines lost his luggage, he finally got it back on day 4 of his 9 day trip. Packing in your checked baggage isn't a sure thing.
Traveling With Baby Formula, Breast Milk, And Other Liquids For Infants And Small Children
In September 2006, TSA enacted rules for carrying liquids, gels and aerosols in carry-on bags. All liquids, gels and aerosols must be in 3.4 ounce (100ml) or smaller containers, and packed in a one quart, zip-top bag. Each passenger can take one zip-top bag in their carry-on. Larger quantities of liquids may be packed in checked bags.
Medically required liquids, such as baby formula and food, breast milk and medications are allowed in excess of 3.4 ounces in reasonable quantities for the flight. It is not necessary to place medically required liquids in a zip-top bag. However, you must tell the Transportation Security Officer that you have medically necessary liquids at the beginning of the screening checkpoint process. Medically required liquids will be subjected to additional screening that could include being asked to open the container. We recommend, but do not require, that medication be labeled to facilitate the security process.
Passengers going on long trips should only carry on the medically necessary liquids and gels needed for their infant/toddler’s immediate comfort during the flight. Please pack larger amounts of liquids for the remainder of the trip in a checked bag.
Avoid any delays by making sure nothing you plan to pack is on TSA’s list of prohibited items.
Liquids in carry-on baggage are ordinarily limited by the 3-1-1 rule, which allows travelers to bring one quart-sized, clear zip-top bag containing liquids no larger than 3.4 ounces. However, travelers flying with or without a child may bring medically necessary liquids, such as formula, breast milk and juice, in quantities greater than 3.4 ounces in their carry-on baggage. The formula, breast milk and juice need not fit within a quart-sized bag. Travelers are encouraged to travel with only as much formula, breast milk and juice needed to reach their destination. Ice packs and other accessories required to cool formula, breast milk and juice are also permitted through the screening checkpoint and are not bound by the 3-1-1 requirements. Travelers are also allowed to bring gel or liquid-filled teethers, canned, jarred and processed baby food in carry-on baggage and aboard the plane. These items may be subject to additional screening."
It doesn't talk about reasonable quantities at all.
My boss just went in an international trip. They missed their connecting flight & were delayed 24 hours. To top it off the airlines lost his luggage, he finally got it back on day 4 of his 9 day trip. Packing in your checked baggage isn't a sure thing.
Yes, regular formula is available for purchase. But it appears that TSA is lumping BM and formula in the same category. I would think it unreasonable to not allow food for a child in case of delays.
Yes the odds that a 2 hour flight to NYC is going to get crazy delayed or baggage lost on e asingle flight are slim to none. But I would think the policy is sweeping.
Yes, regular formula is available for purchase. But it appears that TSA is lumping BM and formula in the same category. I would think it unreasonable to not allow food for a child in case of delays.
Yes the odds that a 2 hour flight to NYC is going to get crazy delayed or baggage lost on e asingle flight are slim to none. But I would think the policy is sweeping.
Three days of delays for a non stop flight?
Yes, JFK to all destinations by Jet Blue, Feb. 14th, 2007. Not kidding. Weather delays. Because Jet Blue didn't interline back then (don't know if they do now), they were cancelling everyone and rebooking 3 days later. After 8 hours of are we/aren't we getting out before they actually cancelled stuff, I wound up taking Amtrak to Philadelphia, bought a ticket at the Southwest counter and flew home that way. My husband was flying internationally the same night from JFK and his flight got out so it's not like the airport was closed to all flights.
Traveling With Baby Formula, Breast Milk, And Other Liquids For Infants And Small Children
In September 2006, TSA enacted rules for carrying liquids, gels and aerosols in carry-on bags. All liquids, gels and aerosols must be in 3.4 ounce (100ml) or smaller containers, and packed in a one quart, zip-top bag. Each passenger can take one zip-top bag in their carry-on. Larger quantities of liquids may be packed in checked bags.
Medically required liquids, such as baby formula and food, breast milk and medications are allowed in excess of 3.4 ounces in reasonable quantities for the flight. It is not necessary to place medically required liquids in a zip-top bag. However, you must tell the Transportation Security Officer that you have medically necessary liquids at the beginning of the screening checkpoint process. Medically required liquids will be subjected to additional screening that could include being asked to open the container. We recommend, but do not require, that medication be labeled to facilitate the security process.
Passengers going on long trips should only carry on the medically necessary liquids and gels needed for their infant/toddler’s immediate comfort during the flight. Please pack larger amounts of liquids for the remainder of the trip in a checked bag.
Avoid any delays by making sure nothing you plan to pack is on TSA’s list of prohibited items.
Liquids in carry-on baggage are ordinarily limited by the 3-1-1 rule, which allows travelers to bring one quart-sized, clear zip-top bag containing liquids no larger than 3.4 ounces. However, travelers flying with or without a child may bring medically necessary liquids, such as formula, breast milk and juice, in quantities greater than 3.4 ounces in their carry-on baggage. The formula, breast milk and juice need not fit within a quart-sized bag. Travelers are encouraged to travel with only as much formula, breast milk and juice needed to reach their destination. Ice packs and other accessories required to cool formula, breast milk and juice are also permitted through the screening checkpoint and are not bound by the 3-1-1 requirements. Travelers are also allowed to bring gel or liquid-filled teethers, canned, jarred and processed baby food in carry-on baggage and aboard the plane. These items may be subject to additional screening."
It doesn't talk about reasonable quantities at all.
Reasonable quantities is implied when it states "enough to reach their destination"
How the heck do you even carry 15 8oz. bottles along with a baby and all their other stuff? Were they in their own rolling suitcase?
I could see a days worth or so- it depends on if there was a connecting flight too. Obviously you can't just bring an unlimited amount of liquid food on an airplane. I just don't get the rationale of 3 days worth.
I feel the same way about BM too fwiw. At a certain point things need to be shipped instead.
Liquids in carry-on baggage are ordinarily limited by the 3-1-1 rule, which allows travelers to bring one quart-sized, clear zip-top bag containing liquids no larger than 3.4 ounces. However, travelers flying with or without a child may bring medically necessary liquids, such as formula, breast milk and juice, in quantities greater than 3.4 ounces in their carry-on baggage. The formula, breast milk and juice need not fit within a quart-sized bag. Travelers are encouraged to travel with only as much formula, breast milk and juice needed to reach their destination. Ice packs and other accessories required to cool formula, breast milk and juice are also permitted through the screening checkpoint and are not bound by the 3-1-1 requirements. Travelers are also allowed to bring gel or liquid-filled teethers, canned, jarred and processed baby food in carry-on baggage and aboard the plane. These items may be subject to additional screening."
It doesn't talk about reasonable quantities at all.
Reasonable quantities is implied when it states "enough to reach their destination"
My point, which I'm making badly, is the policy isn't particularly clear if it has implied sentences and it seems to be applied and explained inconsistently.
Also I do think 3 days of formula is excessive, but I can see why someone could think it was okay to bring it through security.
How the heck do you even carry 15 8oz. bottles along with a baby and all their other stuff? Were they in their own rolling suitcase?
It's summer and my husband was with us. So no bulky clothes, I am an efficient packer, and we did laundry at our destination. We fit all the stuff for the 3 of us in 2 roller boards and DD's KS Stevie as our "overhead luggage." I had a backpack, a Skip Hop via Messenger diaper bag, and a small bag of toys as our "under the seat" bags. DD rode in her infant bucket on top of the stroller frame the whole way and once we got to the gate, her stroller frame got gate checked.
Based on the first flight where I had scattered the formula across like 3 bags and it took a long time to get through security since 4 of our bags got flagged, I packed all of DD's formula and food stuff into 1 rollerboard this time so only 1 bag would get flagged. I had even more bottles with me on the way there, maybe 20? (This was more me not wanting to seek out Target the minute we landed versus being afraid of getting stuck at the airport.) But the women agents that day did some random sampling of a few bottles and let us go on our way.
Post by pinkdutchtulips on Sept 4, 2014 18:11:50 GMT -5
I remember the grief that the TSA gave me over dd's bottles (2 of them) when we flew from DC back to SF in 2010. TSA checked EVERY bottle and my hands. oh joy ! I didn't give them any grief .. an eyeroll absolutely but no grief.
notice I had TWO bottles for a cross country flight ! 15 bottles for a 2hr flight seems rather excessive to me.
I said it probably wouldn't happen. I was delayed 2.5 hours on a flight from Milwaukee to Chicago once. Why I originally booked the trip that way, Lord only knows.
I would think TSA rules are sweeping; so no matter if one is on a 2 hour non-stop flight or a 10 hour trip across the country with 2 lay-overs, one would be treated the same in TSA's eyes. Which just isn't 'reasonable'.
Ditto fivedogs. The rules allow for allowances depending on trip.
And I'm not saying you can't be delayed 2.5 hours on a short flight lol. I unfortunately travel a lot. I have horror stories. I'm saying if you are home and heading somewhere like NYC (as per this example) you won't be delayed 3 days without access to food for your child.
But if it was just regular formula, I would pack enough for a day in my carry on, and pack a can in my checked bag. If god forbid my bag is lost (which yes I get happens...it just happened on my last flight) THEN I would have to do a back up of running to walgreens or target.
I get that to you bringing 15 bottles is easier (although it stresses me out just thinking of all of those carry ons). I do get it. I just don't think its crazy that TSA isn't ok with it. There are a lot of things that would be a heck of a lot more convient to be able to bring but such is life. There are in fact fairly easy fixes to your dilemma, especially given where you were traveling to and the fact that formula you use isn't specialized.
He allowed it. I HATE the bullshit theatre it takes to get the **approval**. He APPROVED IT FOR TRAVEL. Stop being such a dick about it, dude.
When I was breast feeding, I still traveled with large quantities of canned formula, back-up breast milk and all things baby-related. They encouraged me to the "assistance needed" lane and closed it behind us. Then they passed huge quantities of baby-related food through security. Every time.
It is not unreasonable to go above and beyond with what you carry for a baby. Delays really happen!! You complied with the search. I take issue with the guy being a dick about it. Because, in the end, IT WAS APPROVED after all.
He allowed it. I HATE the bullshit theatre it takes to get the **approval**. He APPROVED IT FOR TRAVEL. Stop being such a dick about it, dude.
When I was breast feeding, I still traveled with large quantities of canned formula, back-up breast milk and all things baby-related. They encouraged me to the "assistance needed" lane and closed it behind us. Then they passed huge quantities of baby-related food through security. Every time.
It is not unreasonable to go above and beyond with what you carry for a baby. Delays really happen!! You complied with the search. I take issue with the guy being a dick about it. Because, in the end, IT WAS APPROVED after all.
Why do people keep saying she needs three days of regular formula for post security in case of a delay....on a short domestic flight? Lol. Three days? If a flight gets delayed that long you'd be home or in a hotel lol.
I need to know if any bags were checked. Because yes, I am that person who avoids checking baggage at all costs.
No bags checked. We also avoid checking bags. The ticketing agents tried to give us grief of "all those bags" but we were exactly within what is allowed and everything fit like its supposed to.
Why do people keep saying she needs three days of regular formula for post security in case of a delay....on a short domestic flight? Lol. Three days? If a flight gets delayed that long you'd be home or in a hotel lol.
stop using that rationalization!
Because room service doesn't have formula on the menu. Going to Walgreens will require a cab or rental car.
My husband and I were just discussing that hopefully by DD's next flight, she will be on WCM.
Why do people keep saying she needs three days of regular formula for post security in case of a delay....on a short domestic flight? Lol. Three days? If a flight gets delayed that long you'd be home or in a hotel lol.
stop using that rationalization!
Because room service doesn't sell formula. Going to Walgreens will require a cab or rental car.
So where are your three days of diapers? And other supplies? You'd be going to the store anyway.
Those RTF bottles are nice in a pinch (I always kept two in the diaper bag) but no way would I travel with 15 unless I was going on an actual safari. Way too heavy! Next time bring the powder and you can get stranded for several weeks no problem.
I get that it's a PITA but you don't want terrorists to be like "oh hey, there's no rules for these little plastic bottles."