Uh...that guy is an asshole for what he is implying. And frankly, expecting someone to go run 6 miles as an indicator of fitness is akin to someone asking me to do one of your WODs to indicate mine. CF isn't going to train your aerobic capacity to run a 10k. It's just not. Just like running a marathon and doing body pump as my strength training isn't going to train my capacity to lift the way you do.
Uh...that guy is an asshole for what he is implying. And frankly, expecting someone to go run 6 miles as an indicator of fitness is akin to someone asking me to do one of your WODs to indicate mine. CF isn't going to train your aerobic capacity to run a 10k. It's just not. Just like running a marathon and doing body pump as my strength training isn't going to train my capacity to lift the way you do.
He is claiming that it does (in a follow-up comment). He said that almost word-for-word.
Uh...that guy is an asshole for what he is implying. And frankly, expecting someone to go run 6 miles as an indicator of fitness is akin to someone asking me to do one of your WODs to indicate mine. CF isn't going to train your aerobic capacity to run a 10k. It's just not. Just like running a marathon and doing body pump as my strength training isn't going to train my capacity to lift the way you do.
He is claiming that it does (in a follow-up comment). He said that almost word-for-word.
I...disagree with him.
This one? ability to run 10k is a very simple and beautiful test of aerobic capacity in a single modality that has been contested over time.
There won't be anything simple OR beautiful about running a 10k as a test with no training for it.
Post by Wines Not Whines on Sept 23, 2014 12:18:39 GMT -5
I could see if they wanted to do a 1-mile run test. That might be a reasonable test of aerobic capacity for a group of people who don't train as endurance runners. But 6.2 miles is excessive.
I could see if they wanted to do a 1-mile run test. That might be a reasonable test of aerobic capacity for a group of people who don't train as endurance runners. But 6.2 miles is excessive.
EXACTLY.
I even asked this. Wouldn't it be better to do 1 to 2 miles? And he was all "it has to be as long as your longest workout."
The following workout took me 59 minutes, the longest CF workout I've ever done: 5 rounds 1000m row 15 thrusters 15 burpees 15 pull-ups
And STILL, 6 miles is going to take me longer than that.
Insane. A 1 mile run would make more sense. We had to do a 4 mile run for CF and that crap is not easy when you don't train to run long distances. I finished but that sucked and was not easy for a non-runner.
I could see if they wanted to do a 1-mile run test. That might be a reasonable test of aerobic capacity for a group of people who don't train as endurance runners. But 6.2 miles is excessive.
EXACTLY.
I even asked this. Wouldn't it be better to do 1 to 2 miles? And he was all "it has to be as long as your longest workout."
The following workout took me 59 minutes, the longest CF workout I've ever done: 5 rounds 1000m row 15 thrusters 15 burpees 15 pull-ups
And STILL, 6 miles is going to take me longer than that.
AND those are all anaerobic.
Here's the thing. You can probably go out there and finish. However, you know absolutely nothing about pacing yourself so you don't burn out early, nor how to keep up a continuous forward movement for up to (and over) an hour. These are skills you learn from training to run. You don't get them from CF. People who have run before probably have them in their back pocket to pull out when needed, but people who have never done something like this before are going to flounder.
And here I go on my "why I'll never try CF" rant... :::zips up suit:::
When people try to act like experts about things in which they clearly are not - going so far as to make the claims in this particular example - it makes me seriously question whether they are even experts in their own field.
I mean, I was a volleyball coach for a long time, but that doesn't mean I know dick about coaching football, ya know? And it seems *in my experience only* (because wambam and others love their programs, and that's awesome!), there is an awful lot of that posturing and misinformation in CF.
And here I go on my "why I'll never try CF" rant... :::zips up suit:::
When people try to act like experts about things in which they clearly are not - going so far as to make the claims in this particular example - it makes me seriously question whether they are even experts in their own field.
I mean, I was a volleyball coach for a long time, but that doesn't mean I know dick about coaching football, ya know? And it seems *in my experience only* (because wambam and others love their programs, and that's awesome!), there is an awful lot of that posturing and misinformation in CF.
I get it.
And with this one exception, I am really super happy with the programming. It's not that "completely and totally random with no goal in mind" CF programming you can sometimes get. There are clearly defined goals and a method to reach that goal. It's really well thought out.
This test is so far out of left field, which is why I'm so fired up about it.
And it seems *in my experience only* (because wambam and others love their programs, and that's awesome!), there is an awful lot of that posturing and misinformation in CF.
I'm here. From everything from incorrect lift form, harder/faster/stupider, right down to "you can do anything because you CF!!!11!!!11!".
I will add the addendum that there ARE good coaches and boxes. I know that. But things like this really put a bad taste in my mouth.
Kay, so I'm going to run 3 miles today for two reasons: 1. Because I don't want this 10K to be the first time I've run anything over 800m in over a year and 2. I want to try running in the running shoes I bought pre-Crossfit and make sure I don't die lol.
Kay, so I'm going to run 3 miles today for two reasons: 1. Because I don't want this 10K to be the first time I've run anything over 800m in over a year and 2. I want to try running in the running shoes I bought pre-Crossfit and make sure I don't die lol.
Will update on how it goes.
I think that sounds like a good plan. Is this test in a regular WOD or something extra for competitors?
Also, this isn't really related to the original question but we always have testing weeks. It's a part of our cycles that our owner puts a lot of serious thought and research into when he does our programming. I never doubt the cycles he has us in and you do rest during a testing week like any other week. I think that part sounds completely normal. We're in a deload week right now.
CF has immensely improved my running and I'm a much better runner for it so I fully believe that they complement each other but 6 miles is a lot. If we do an aerobic test in class it is always 1 mile. I feel like we wouldn't even have time to test for a 10K in an hour considering the varying levels of fitness. That seems lofty!
Kay, so I'm going to run 3 miles today for two reasons: 1. Because I don't want this 10K to be the first time I've run anything over 800m in over a year and 2. I want to try running in the running shoes I bought pre-Crossfit and make sure I don't die lol.
Will update on how it goes.
I think that sounds like a good plan. Is this test in a regular WOD or something extra for competitors?
Also, this isn't really related to the original question but we always have testing weeks. It's a part of our cycles that our owner puts a lot of serious thought and research into when he does our programming. I never doubt the cycles he has us in and you do rest during a testing week like any other week. I think that part sounds completely normal. We're in a deload week right now.
CF has immensely improved my running and I'm a much better runner for it so I fully believe that they complement each other but 6 miles is a lot. If we do an aerobic test in class it is always 1 mile. I feel like we wouldn't even have time to test for a 10K in an hour considering the varying levels of fitness. That seems lofty!
I am in the competition class, so it's a normal test for us, but the all-levels class doesn't have to do it. They follow completely different programming.