Wtf. He's 3! It's entirely behaviorally appropriate for him to have difficulty sitting still, not talking etc. Not saying that in school he shouldn't be learning those skills, only that he shouldn't be punished for not mastering those skills immediately. I kind of hate that teacher for you.
I think I'm more disturbed by all the teachers commenting on what a good idea this is.
I don't work with little kids all day, so I don't know if the do-nothings are typical or atypical once these munchkins are all in a classroom together, but this is one of those bad-teacher instances where I immediately think of the scene in Uncle Buck where John Candy chews out the principal for criticizing his niece for being a dreamer in class.
Post by Miss Phryne Fisher on Oct 21, 2014 15:53:31 GMT -5
Can you tell when it was pinned? Is she "new" to pre-k? I teach MS and Elementary. I would have all sorts of inappropriate stuff on my Pinterest if I were moving to a different grade. I feel like in the beginning of the year that 95% of my life is behavior modification/class management. Then one day it "clicks" and the learning starts. Hopefully she is there or close to it by now.
That said, that page is ridiculous. That lady teaches k-2, that is exceedingly dumb behavior mod. Actually I think that would be dumb for any grade.
I think I'm more disturbed by all the teachers commenting on what a good idea this is.
I don't work with little kids all day, so I don't know if the do-nothings are typical or atypical once these munchkins are all in a classroom together, but this is one of those bad-teacher instances where I immediately think of the scene in Uncle Buck where John Candy chews out the principal for criticizing his niece for being a dreamer in class.
Favorite scene EVAR. Also, because I'm a helicopter mom, when I got the behavior report, I mean, monthly report, I called our pediatrician and had K evaluated for developmental milestones, autism, and ADHD (because I have read the articles on this board and I KNOW where this train is headed). My pediatrician said the monthly report made her actually angry. Like, it made her mad at the teacher. She wrote a letter to her about the importance of a nurturing supportive preschool environment. Should be an interesting meeting.
Post by mominatrix on Oct 21, 2014 15:55:12 GMT -5
not that I'm defending it, but the teacher who posted the 'doing nothing' stuff is a SECOND grade teacher... second grade - teaching 7 and 8 year olds - - is very very different than preschool.
I have one in each - - second grade and preschool. The second grander, if she's supposed to be doing something, she might need a reminder to stay on task. In that way, the theme of 'doing nothing' isn't pure evil. Personally, I don't like it (because I honestly think you CAN learn and do when you look like you're doing nothing, but that's a whole other conversation)...
...but developmentally, it's VERY different than a preschooler, who shouldn't be required to be "on task" all day, every day. IME, the biggest problems with preschoolers is that they're constantly flitting from one thing to another, and don't take the time to stop and think about what they're doing. Stopping. Thinking... looking like they're "doing nothing" is actually an incredibly important state for a preschooler. And something preschool teachers should be cultivating.
...and if your child's teacher doesn't get that, then you are going to have a huge, huge problem with her during the whole of the coming year.
I think I'm more disturbed by all the teachers commenting on what a good idea this is.
I don't work with little kids all day, so I don't know if the do-nothings are typical or atypical once these munchkins are all in a classroom together, but this is one of those bad-teacher instances where I immediately think of the scene in Uncle Buck where John Candy chews out the principal for criticizing his niece for being a dreamer in class.
Favorite scene EVAR. Also, because I'm a helicopter mom, when I got the behavior report, I mean, monthly report, I called our pediatrician and had K evaluated for developmental milestones, autism, and ADHD (because I have read the articles on this board and I KNOW where this train is headed). My pediatrician said the monthly report made her actually angry. Like, it made her mad at the teacher. She wrote a letter to her about the importance of a nurturing supportive preschool environment. Should be an interesting meeting.
From the stories you've told here, your ped sounds amazing.
Post by 2curlydogs on Oct 21, 2014 16:00:52 GMT -5
Posts like this make me want to just hug my kid's teacher and thank her for being awesome.
But, yeah, ditto Pixy. What outcomes are you expecting beyond being able to be like "you're on fucking crack." Because I guarantee she won't change. So is this to establish a paper trail so that when you next go to her principal you have it documented? Or...
And the 2nd grade teacher from the blog post is stupid if she thinks her kids don't know why they have to stop and sing the song. Kids are perceptive and usually know (or at least start to figure out) who the "doing nothing-ers" are in class around that time. Especially since she said she breaks it out during the spring.
All of his behaviors sound totally normal especially for a young 3yo starting preschool. Scarlett's class is for kids who are 3 by mid August and her birthday is mid September so she's one of the older ones. There are some younger kids in the class - spring/summer birthdays - and I know the adjustment has been more difficult for them but as far as I know the teachers think that is normal and age appropriate. I know taking toys has been a big thing among some of the younger kids but from what I've heard the teachers say that's to be expected. I mean the kids are redirected and I know they are reminded and corrected when they lay on the floor for circle time and stuff.
Anyway, all of that seems like normal adjustment stuff for preschool.
Posts like this make me want to just hug my kid's teacher and thank her for being awesome.
But, yeah, ditto Pixy. What outcomes are you expecting beyond being able to be like "you're on fucking crack." Because I guarantee she won't change. So is this to establish a paper trail so that when you next go to her principal you have it documented? Or...
Teachers change all the time, especially in private schools that view parents as clients. There can be severe pressure to make parents happy.
I think I'm more disturbed by all the teachers commenting on what a good idea this is.
I don't work with little kids all day, so I don't know if the do-nothings are typical or atypical once these munchkins are all in a classroom together, but this is one of those bad-teacher instances where I immediately think of the scene in Uncle Buck where John Candy chews out the principal for criticizing his niece for being a dreamer in class.
Favorite scene EVAR. Also, because I'm a helicopter mom, when I got the behavior report, I mean, monthly report, I called our pediatrician and had K evaluated for developmental milestones, autism, and ADHD (because I have read the articles on this board and I KNOW where this train is headed). My pediatrician said the monthly report made her actually angry. Like, it made her mad at the teacher. She wrote a letter to her about the importance of a nurturing supportive preschool environment. Should be an interesting meeting.
Posts like this make me want to just hug my kid's teacher and thank her for being awesome.
But, yeah, ditto Pixy. What outcomes are you expecting beyond being able to be like "you're on fucking crack." Because I guarantee she won't change. So is this to establish a paper trail so that when you next go to her principal you have it documented? Or...
Her mentor teacher is attending the conference and is a teacher I have a pretty good report with. I'm not so sure she won't change. She's not like some 63 year old two years from retiring kind of lady. It's her second year in this classroom. Maybe, if I'm diplomatic, she will see that "behavior" is not the only way to measure a child's strengths and weaknesses.
Yeah, I saw your clarifying post after I posted this.
:Y: to having her mentor there. You could even suggest they build something into her PDP on developmentally appropriate awareness.
I think I'm more disturbed by all the teachers commenting on what a good idea this is.
I don't work with little kids all day, so I don't know if the do-nothings are typical or atypical once these munchkins are all in a classroom together, but this is one of those bad-teacher instances where I immediately think of the scene in Uncle Buck where John Candy chews out the principal for criticizing his niece for being a dreamer in class.
Favorite scene EVAR. Also, because I'm a helicopter mom, when I got the behavior report, I mean, monthly report, I called our pediatrician and had K evaluated for developmental milestones, autism, and ADHD (because I have read the articles on this board and I KNOW where this train is headed). My pediatrician said the monthly report made her actually angry. Like, it made her mad at the teacher. She wrote a letter to her about the importance of a nurturing supportive preschool environment. Should be an interesting meeting.
I would love to sit in on this meeting. You are as mad as I would be, except Id forget to handle it like an adult with backup, like you are, and go in there raging and crying like a crazy person.
I think I am likely alone in this opinion, but I would not go into that meeting with both guns a blazing. You say you're having a conflict but you note that you've only received one progress report. So, can I assume that this is the first time you'd be discussing this? If so, I'd go in willing to listen.
Unless everyone in the class is receiving similar reports from her, then is it possible your child is acting out in a way that others are not? It could be perfectly appropriate given the age, but out of sync with classmates and therefore catching her attention, and therefore you can collaborate together on more appropriate solutions? If this was December and you had already had two conversations that went nowhere fast, I'd feel differently. But going in for the kill without really hearing her POV first is likely to backfire on you. Just some contrarian two cents for you to consider.
I'm horrified that a teacher would think he's acting out of the norm - he's not. This is why preschool and pK is being pushed so hard, so kids can learn how to manage themselves when they're in K. My sister teaches preK is a curriculum developer for her state and she would have a few choice words for this teacher. Learning to sit still, share, and listen are skills that are still developing at 3.
Post by thejackpot on Oct 21, 2014 20:15:49 GMT -5
I teach hs and if a student was doing nothing to the level of the song/sheet, I would be hunting for the cause of his issue. My do nothing student today warranted a sit down next to his seat and an inquiry into his well-being, followed up by an email to his parents and a stop in with his guidance counselor. My goal is never to shame them into compliance.
Thinking about these types of actions with a 3 or 7 yr old makes me want to weep for my profession.