There were many ways to help this man and his sweet baby and no one there seemed to care enough to do anything. Horrible. we need to help each other as a society, not throw our hands up when we are trying to help people and make yourselves feel better for helping people and when someone shows up that needs help sit there and say 'nope, sorry. I don't know how to help you.'. Rigoddamndiculous.
Post by spitforspat on Oct 24, 2014 9:51:09 GMT -5
It is so hard to work in a non-profit organization. For every person like this, there are two people who may be twice as needy and who also followed the rules of applying for aid.
And just because the charity has red tape, doesn't mean the women there for the charity to do good couldn't have told the man to hold on a few minutes, run to the closest store, and returned with a box of diapers for the man.
we are going off of pagas last sentence: "I know it must have taken a lot for him to ask and I felt terrible that he couldn't be accommodated."
To me, that means he didn't get any diapers. Not accommodated = no diapers.
That she saw. Again, we have NO IDEA what the director actually told him. They may have set him up to start the process to qualify. They may not have. I don't know, but neither does anybody else.
This is why working for charities burns people out so quickly. It's never enough. Ever.
maybe i am not reading right, but how do you people know he was not helped? he was speaking to the coordinator, who likely gave him the inside on how to connect with the resources he needs. could have been as simple as, 'come by my office in an hour once this event wraps and i will give you some diapers'.
you are all batshit crazy and clearly have very little understanding of how this sort of thing works. yes, there can be a lot of red tape, but that doesn't mean that these people leave folks high and dry.
Oh for god's sake. I understand perfectly how all of this works.
And I'm still sad and angry for that guy that based on the information presented it appears that THAT NIGHT he didn't get a fresh pack of diapers. To quote the OP, it is "heartbreaking."
Are we not supposed to feel heartbroken here? We should just be like "meh, he probably was able to use the information the director gave him to efficiently and thoroughly work through the system to obtain all of his necessary childcare supplies."
And just because the charity has red tape, doesn't mean the women there for the charity to do good couldn't have told the man to hold on a few minutes, run to the closest store, and returned with a box of diapers for the man.
So, if I work or volunteer for a charity I'm now required to personally fund it, or be judged?
I'm close to tears just hearing about this. Did he leave his information with the coordinator? If so I'd try to get it, I'd be more than happy to send a few boxes his way provided I know the size.
That takes a lot of guts to go up and ask. I really hope someone was able to help this man. This type of stuff just chokes me up.
I also think I'd be writing the Charity about the situation. Do you know for sure that he was denied? You mentioned that he was directed to someone else to speak to them. If he left empty handed I would be writing a letter.
And just because the charity has red tape, doesn't mean the women there for the charity to do good couldn't have told the man to hold on a few minutes, run to the closest store, and returned with a box of diapers for the man.
So, if I work or volunteer for a charity I'm now required to personally fund it, or be judged?
I wasn't actually thinking of the people that work for or volunteer for the charity. I was thinking of the women there just for the charity event.
Minority opinion, but I wouldn't have handed over diapers either. I worked for a charity in college and we would break open the boxes of diapers and hand them out that way because if you gave full boxes of diapers they would often return them to Walmart for money or something else they wanted.
The director was simply being a good steward of finite resources. There are processes for a reason.
I have no idea about the red tape of the charity and I am not a member of it. I showed up to the event to donate diapers. I think the hatred of a charity is ridiculous. I am sure the organizers wish they could diaper every kid who needs them.
Just not the obvious kid right in front of them.
So in regards to government-subsidized housing, should the first person on the sidewalk in front of an empty apartment be offered it? Or should that person be told about the process to sign up and the apartment go to a person that has been waiting?
Post by autumnfire on Oct 24, 2014 10:10:08 GMT -5
I'd have trouble sleeping at night if I didn't help this guy
"because if you gave full boxes of diapers they would often return them to Walmart for money or something else they wanted."
And if he ended up going to cash in the box, I'd rather that happen then automatically assume he was up to no good and wasn't going to use the charity I gave him.
So in regards to government-subsidized housing, should the first person on the sidewalk in front of an empty apartment be offered it? Or should that person be told about the process to sign up and the apartment go to a person that has been waiting?
Not the same. I'd think this would be like a food drive for a crisis center in neighborhood X. A guy asks for some cans of soup and a box of cereal but is just in neighborhood Y where the drive is being held. I still think it would be completely fine to give him some soup and and a box if cereal even if crisis center in X then is shorted these soup cans and cereal.
The fuck? YOU CAN'T TRUST THE POOR, y'all. They just don't know enough to help themselves! They're like children!
I'm side-eyeing you hard right now.
C'mon, Lucy. You know this dude saw a pile of diapers, thought "SCORE!", snatched a baby, and totally thought he could roll from there to Walmart for some easy crack money. It's the oldest trick in the book.
I'm actually going to try to return a box full of low income housing to Walmart after work
Minority opinion, but I wouldn't have handed over diapers either. I worked for a charity in college and we would break open the boxes of diapers and hand them out that way because if you gave full boxes of diapers they would often return them to Walmart for money or something else they wanted.
The director was simply being a good steward of finite resources. There are processes for a reason.
So whats the tally now? Poor people can't have skittles, diapers, anything else?
C'mon, Lucy. You know this dude saw a pile of diapers, thought "SCORE!", snatched a baby, and totally thought he could roll from there to Walmart for some easy crack money. It's the oldest trick in the book.
I'm actually going to try to return a box full of low income housing to Walmart after work
Watch out, they'll only let you do it once at the same location.
So in regards to government-subsidized housing, should the first person on the sidewalk in front of an empty apartment be offered it? Or should that person be told about the process to sign up and the apartment go to a person that has been waiting?
You are being purposefully obtuse. It's not a gd apartment we're talking about here, it's one package of diapers.
maybe i am not reading right, but how do you people know he was not helped? he was speaking to the coordinator, who likely gave him the inside on how to connect with the resources he needs. could have been as simple as, 'come by my office in an hour once this event wraps and i will give you some diapers'.
you are all batshit crazy and clearly have very little understanding of how this sort of thing works. yes, there can be a lot of red tape, but that doesn't mean that these people leave folks high and dry.
Just wanted to chime in to say that a large part of the non-profits I've worked in, with and for have guidelines to follow in order to maintain their state-subsidized grant money. They need to track every donation and make sure it's accounted for, both to have the maximum amount of funds to use (because private donations are, sadly, limited) but also to help the greatest need in the community.
Now, every director I've ever known would have scheduled him to come in to apply and would have privately given him money right then. Pagas might not have seen that part.
Just wanted to chime in to say that a large part of the non-profits I've worked in, with and for have guidelines to follow in order to maintain their state-subsidized grant money. They need to track every donation and make sure it's accounted for, both to have the maximum amount of funds to use (because private donations are, sadly, limited) but also to help the greatest need in the community.
Now, every director I've ever known would have scheduled him to come in to apply and would have privately given him money right then. Pagas might not have seen that part.
snips. come on. you OBVIOUSLY haven't worked at *better* charities like toledo.
I've actually worked specifically in diaper distribution as a part of a larger social services agency for 2 years. It was a great resource within our community, but there was tracking used to maintain the efficacy and funding of the program. But again, we would help the guy immediately with personal funds. I hope that's what happened here.
I'm also kind of amused that booby, whose entire posting style consists of hyperbolic "omg-you're-all-idiots" kinds of statements, is scolding anyone for having an extreme reaction to this post.
well, i never said i didn't agree it was heartbreaking, but my reaction is more to do with the fact that it seems a lot of people in here have a lack of awareness when it comes to how most charities work, in terms of accetping and then re-distributing donations. as i said to toledo, i do not believe that he was told no and that it ended there. i really don't.
I hope that is the case. All the diapers were tracked. We had to turn in cards with what we brought itemized by size and the number of diapers, so I assume there is red tape that I am unaware of because I don't work for the charity.
Minority opinion, but I wouldn't have handed over diapers either. I worked for a charity in college and we would break open the boxes of diapers and hand them out that way because if you gave full boxes of diapers they would often return them to Walmart for money or something else they wanted.
The director was simply being a good steward of finite resources. There are processes for a reason.
So whats the tally now? Poor people can't have skittles, diapers, anything else?
The Poors are only entitled to one thing- BOOTSTRAPS! No Skittle-filled diapers for them!
I'd have trouble sleeping at night if I didn't help this guy
"because if you gave full boxes of diapers they would often return them to Walmart for money or something else they wanted."
And if he ended up going to cash in the box, I'd rather that happen then automatically assume he was up to no good and wasn't going to use the charity I gave him.
I guarantee there are families just like this guy in your community. And a food pantry that will gladly pass along your donation of diapers. If you're not sure where, call a local church our community center and they'll be able to tell you.
I've just done this, this morning. Many thanks. Even looked into diaper banks nearby or if I could possibly start one in my area.
Maybe he wasn't poor he just thought they were giving away diapers.
This could be possible. But most of the time though you can tell by body language and the interaction if someone is looking for a freebie or is in need of help.