Post by open24hours on Oct 24, 2014 16:10:34 GMT -5
I hadn't heard about the date rejection. I did hear that there was speculation about bullying and racial slurs directed at the shooter. Not that this excuses his behavior.
I also heard that one victim is dead and the others suffer from critical head wounds.
I was watching Fox News and they were interviewing a kid from the school that wasn't even there. I'm irrationally annoyed by this. This kid had no clue what was going on just like everyone else but we are going to put him on the air for what? Ratings? Shock factor?
The bigger question is why does a child feel the need to have a gun? What is the child's problem? Why did the problem occur? What can be done to prevent that problem.
A gun is not the problem (just look at the Canadian Ax attack yesterday) -- where there is a motive, there is a way.
I have a pit in my stomach about this one. I have extended family who lives there, and one of the kids is old enough to be in high school, and could very well have been there.
I'm not close with this family member though, (haven't seen them since a funeral 3-4 years ago) so I don't really have a way to reach out without it being awkward. And I don't want to cause any more pain than they are probably already experiencing.
Post by mominatrix on Oct 24, 2014 17:32:11 GMT -5
more about the shooter:
Marysville-Pilchuck High Shooting Presaged by Suspect’s Twitter Tirade By Rick Anderson Fri., Oct 24 2014 at 03:09PM
Two teen students—one of them a 14-year-old gunman—are dead after a shooting spree in the cafeteria of Marysville-Pilchuck High School today in Marysville. Officials identified the shooter as freshman Jaylyn Fryberg, whose last entry on his Twitter feed, yesterday, states: “It won’t last … It’ll never last …”
In preceding days, Fryberg posted similar desperate messages, along with sex and porno shots.”I should have listened,” he tweeted Tuesday. “You were right … the whole time you were right.” He also wrote that day, “It breaks me … It actually does,” and in a separate tweet wrote, “If I just laid down …”
Other tweets indicate he was upset about his relationship with a girl, writing to a friend, “Did you forget she was my girlfriend?” and “Dude. She tells me everything. And now. I fucking hate you. Your no longer my ‘Brother’!”
He had been writing what appear to be warnings since August, such as “You’re not going to like what happens next” and “Sick of this shit!”
Fryberg opened fire at close range in the cafeteria around 10:30 this morning, shooting students at a nearby table, then shooting himself, officials said. Witnesses described a burst of gunfire and then a single shot.
The Herald of Everett said Fryberg was a member of the football team, and his uncle told KIRO-TV his nephew was “not a monster, he is a very nice kid.” He was identified as a member of the Tulalip Tribes.
Earlier this month Fryberg was voted freshman homecoming king, the Herald said. And he recently brought his grandmother a shot deer.
Four of the wounded were rushed to area hospitals. Providence Regional Medical Center Everett initially received all of the patients, but one was transferred to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.
Two girls and a boy had serious head wounds and underwent surgery at Providence, where they were reported in critical condition. Another boy, 14, had a less-severe jaw injury and was transferred to Harborview. He was reported in serious condition.
I am so sick of shootings. Last week, our community was rocked when a dad shot his three children, killing two of them, and then killed himself. My daughter went to school with the oldest girl and was friends with her. Today, there was a road rage incident locally where someone got shot and a school shooting too? Ugh.
In the incident I posted about that happened last week, the parents were in the middle of a nasty divorce. It was advised that the dad have his guns stored somewhere other than the house so a neighbor had them. A couple of weeks before the shooting, he told the neighbor he wanted to go target shooting with a friend and wanted his gun. The neighbor gave it to him and was supposed to inform the mom that he had the gun. He didn't and on the 911 call, the neighbor said he hoped he didn't make a mistake.
Post by secretlyevil on Oct 24, 2014 18:28:42 GMT -5
Today there was an altercation where someone was shot and killed locally. Anyone care to hear the reason? Dog shit. Yes, someone lost their life over dog shit.
The bigger question is why does a child feel the need to have a gun? What is the child's problem? Why did the problem occur? What can be done to prevent that problem.
A gun is not the problem (just look at the Canadian Ax attack yesterday) -- where there is a motive, there is a way.
Shut. Up.
no, no, she asks a really legitimate question. I mean-- I, for one, canNOT fathom where a child would get the idea that women don't get to refuse, that women don't have agency, that firearms are the antidote to grievous insults and injury. It's not like half our country votes for people who send these messages through their legislation.
no, no, she asks a really legitimate question. I mean-- I, for one, canNOT fathom where a child would get the idea that women don't get to refuse, that women don't have agency, that firearms are the antidote to grievous insults and injury. It's not like half our country votes for people who send these messages through their legislation.
I halfway agree with Lys (at least the first part). I mean, the kid's social media was wide open for the world to see. It's so apparent he was troubled. Why didn't someone step in and help the boy?
Ugh. For the next few months we'll probably hear about how people tried to help him but ran into problems. Can we not go down the support-system-blaming road? If he didn't have access to a gun he couldn't have done this crime in this way to this extent.
Will Washington now take this as a signal to change legislation on guns?
Ugh. For the next few months we'll probably hear about how people tried to help him but ran into problems. Can we not go down the support-system-blaming road? If he didn't have access to a gun he couldn't have done this crime in this way to this extent.
Will Washington now take this as a signal to change legislation on guns?
LOL
Nothing will change legislation on guns. Because nothing - literally nothing, not even preventing the deaths of children at school - is more important than the rights of every American to own, purchase, and sell as many guns of any type at any time, forever and ever amen.
This should be abundantly clear by the choices the American people have made in the past few years. We have spoken, loudly and clearly, and what we have said is "fuck the children, we want OUR GUNNNNNZZZZ!!!"
Will Washington now take this as a signal to change legislation on guns?
If 20 first graders getting their faces blown off didn't change things, then this instance certainly won't.
We have two initiatives on the statewide ballot... Which is IN OUR HOUSES RIGHT NOW... One closes the gun show loophole while the other actually makes background checks harder / more legally amorphous.
I wouldn't be surprised if they both don't get passed.
Washington has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, and I don't see this changing that at all.
... Remember, we had another mass shooting within the last year (Seattle Pacific University), so it's not an isolated thing.
If 20 first graders getting their faces blown off didn't change things, then this instance certainly won't.
We have two initiatives on the statewide ballot... Which is IN OUR HOUSES RIGHT NOW... One closes the gun show loophole while the other actually makes background checks harder / more legally amorphous.
I wouldn't be surprised if they both don't get passed.
Washington has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, and I don't see this changing that at all.
... Remember, we had another mass shooting within the last year (Seattle Pacific University), so it's not an isolated thing.
And don't forget the Moses Lake school shooting years ago.
Ugh. For the next few months we'll probably hear about how people tried to help him but ran into problems. Can we not go down the support-system-blaming road? If he didn't have access to a gun he couldn't have done this crime in this way to this extent.
Will Washington now take this as a signal to change legislation on guns?
LOL
Nothing will change legislation on guns. Because nothing - literally nothing, not even preventing the deaths of children at school - is more important than the rights of every American to own, purchase, and sell as many guns of any type at any time, forever and ever amen.
This should be abundantly clear by the choices the American people have made in the past few years. We have spoken, loudly and clearly, and what we have said is "fuck the children, we want OUR GUNNNNNZZZZ!!!"
I'm sure we've been down this road, but I'm blaming the NRA, not the American people. Not that we don't make a lot of bad decisions, but polls do not show the above opinion. It's just politicians scared of the NRA, who is pushing for things not even their members want.
Yesterday someone in Indy shot his 9 month old in the head while he was cleaning his gun. IMO, that guy should never be allowed to own another gun. But hey, freedom from tyranny and guns for all.
I don't actually understand how this happens. A) why is it loaded at home?B) how do you not triple check it before cleaning? C) why is it pointed at your baby, loaded or unloaded?
This guy shouldn't be allowed to own a paper clip.
Yesterday someone in Indy shot his 9 month old in the head while he was cleaning his gun. IMO, that guy should never be allowed to own another gun. But hey, freedom from tyranny and guns for all.
I don't actually understand how this happens. A) why is it loaded at home?B) how do you not triple check it before cleaning? C) why is it pointed at your baby, loaded or unloaded?
This guy shouldn't be allowed to own a paper clip.
Because people are idiots.
Remember the person who got killed while testing out the bullet proof vest? Or the 9 year old (I think that was her age) that was allowed to fire a powerful weapon at a firing range and killed a man?
Nothing surprises me these days and it's sad that kids are victims for people's stupidity.
Nothing will change legislation on guns. Because nothing - literally nothing, not even preventing the deaths of children at school - is more important than the rights of every American to own, purchase, and sell as many guns of any type at any time, forever and ever amen.
This should be abundantly clear by the choices the American people have made in the past few years. We have spoken, loudly and clearly, and what we have said is "fuck the children, we want OUR GUNNNNNZZZZ!!!"
I'm sure we've been down this road, but I'm blaming the NRA, not the American people. Not that we don't make a lot of bad decisions, but polls do not show the above opinion. It's just politicians scared of the NRA, who is pushing for things not even their members want.
Who votes for those politicians?
If the American people demanded gun control, it would happen, NRA or not. But we don't. We may say we are in favor of some very limited gun control when pollsters ask us, but our actual votes don't reflect this at all.
I'm sure we've been down this road, but I'm blaming the NRA, not the American people. Not that we don't make a lot of bad decisions, but polls do not show the above opinion. It's just politicians scared of the NRA, who is pushing for things not even their members want.
Who votes for those politicians?
If the American people demanded gun control, it would happen, NRA or not. But we don't. We may say we are in favor of some very limited gun control when pollsters ask us, but our actual votes don't reflect this at all.
Didn't GA enact pro-gun legislation despite 70% opposition? ETA: the "guns everywhere" legislation.
If the American people demanded gun control, it would happen, NRA or not. But we don't. We may say we are in favor of some very limited gun control when pollsters ask us, but our actual votes don't reflect this at all.
Didn't GA enact pro-gun legislation despite 70% opposition? ETA: the "guns everywhere" legislation.
Yep. Even the police groups opposed it. But let's see how many of those people get voted out of office as a result in a few weeks. I'm guessing the answer is none.
ETA: and that's my point. Sure, people say they care about it, but they almost never, ever vote based on it. They say they are in favor of universal background checks, but when their representative stands in the way of those background checks being passed, they virtually never remember this or care deeply about it when they get to the polls.
These representatives know that while their constituents may say they're opposed to their Congressmen or state legislators being beholden to the NRA, they don't actually care that much and it's never going to cost them reelection.
Yep. Even the police groups opposed it. But let's see how many of those people get voted out of office as a result in a few weeks. I'm guessing the answer is none.
ETA: and that's my point. Sure, people say they care about it, but they almost never, ever vote based on it. They say they are in favor of universal background checks, but when their representative stands in the way of those background checks being passed, they virtually never remember this or care deeply about it when they get to the polls.
These representatives know that while their constituents may say they're opposed to their Congressmen or state legislators being beholden to the NRA, they don't actually care that much and it's never going to cost them reelection.
I think IIOY is making the same point I am, though. Sometimes a vote for ANY of the candidates is a progun vote because none of them support gun control.
No, I know what you mean. But why don't any pro gun control candidates run? Is it because they know they can't get enough votes to win?
Washington is an Open-Carry state. I posted once that there was a guy walking through the store with a gun tucked in a holster at his lower back, at kids' eye level and was soundly educated about how the gun was no doubt secured in a holster so kids couldn't grab at it even if it was at eye level. Yeah, it's locked down, but is there any reason to be carrying a gun through a grocery store in the first place "just because you can." And I grew up shooting (my dad taught me when I was maybe nine or ten or so and we went target-shooting regularly.) My husband's step-dad was a competitive skeet-shooter and his mom a scorer so guns are not unknown at their house either. I believe in the Second Amendment...just not the NRA version of it; there is a clause that reads "For A Well Regulated Militia" in there...and I don't see a whole heck of a lot of well-regulated militia in the open-carry folks. We were going to take up target-practice after Kiddo moved back in with her mom but then both girls moved in; we just don't want to take a chance with guns in the house with kids with ADD/ADHD and impulse issues, even if they're locked in a safe with ammo elsewhere and trigger guards, etc. We know the protocols and safety and *still* don't feel safe about having a gun in the house right now because...KIDS.
Marysville is maybe a half-hour from my house, on the other side of Everett. It's basically the next town up the I-5 corridor. The grands cheered there when their pee-wee team made the finals, I've been there for PTA stuff. I drive through there to get to Oso (last year's mudslides). Plus, it's a shopping mecca with the outlets and the casino; I stop to eat in town regularly as I'm driving north for the kids to see their mom (somebody still has Kiddo's sweater I left in the Jack-in-the-Box just off the exit, dadblameit. I loved that sweater). There's a lot of tribal land out there, and a lot of farming communities. It's rural bordering on exurban. It's not surprising that there are guns out there. This kid is part of a (very prominent) tribal family. They grow up with guns. So why the hell was he not trained and educated on the importance of gun safety? Why is it okay to shoot because a girl hurt his feelings, a girl told him no? Girls are allowed to say no, boys are allowed to be hurt but they are not supposed to SHOOT people (especially their cousins...the kid that was lifeflighted to Seattle was his cousin and another cousin was shot as well) because they get their feelings all hurt. This is just so wrong on so many levels.
Our school's tech teacher is from there. Her kids graduated from there. She found out about it at lunch yesterday. I hope she and her kids don't know any of the current students. My kids' high school (and XH's son currently attends) was to play their team last night. They'd already bussed the kids down when the shooting happened. The team gathered at the church where the students were escorted, supported them as a team, and forfeited the game, giving Marysville the victory as a symbol of their solidarity. And now shit, I have to e-mail the ex and his wife to make sure he is okay (not that he was shot, but he's in the grade level, they'll be talking, he has autism but is friends with a lot of the team because they're an OH family and not military and he's a big boy so he grew up with a lot of the kids on the team. Shit. I forgot about that part.
Ironically, I was in the process of locking down a speaker for our next PTA meeting. I'd e-mailed her on Thursday and she responded yesterday. I was in the process of responding back when my phone rang from the school and I picked it up, expecting a message about early release or that the health room was calling about Kidlet. Instead it was about the shooting. I actually locked the speaker down as the newsfeed was coming alive about the shooting. The subject matter we're discussing is how to talk to your child about safety without creating a fearful environment. What freaking timing. The ADHD speaker fell through until January, the child sexuality speaker fell through until April. She was my third go-to for the November slot. How freaking ironic is that?
Nonny - just a quick call to ask. It's on the news and he's a relative. Close or not, he's family and you worried that he was okay. Even an e-mail if you don't want to call. But it's okay to reach out in a shocking situation. (((Nonny))) (((joenali))) (((sugarbear))) and everyone else
mrsbpo - the story about the OH football team gathering in support and forfeiting the game was all over my FB this morning. Total class move on their part, and a rare bright spot in this strange and sad story.