LAUSD argued middle schooler can consent to sex with teacher

[joshlyman]

So this is disgusting- I can't even


Elkis HermidaCALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Last November, Los Angeles Unified School District lawyers fighting a civil lawsuit argued in court that a 14-year-old middle school student was mature enough to consent to having sex with her 28-year-old teacher, and that she bore some responsibility for what happened. The district's attorneys also introduced the girl's sexual history into the trial as part of their defense strategy.

Two legal experts sharply criticized the school district for using those tactics. They also said the case highlights a little-known conflict in California law: while the age of consent is firmly set at 18 in criminal cases, at least two appellate court rulings have found that in civil cases, it is possible to argue that a minor can consent to sex with an adult.

Last November's case involved a math teacher at Thomas Edison Middle School in Southeast Los Angeles who in December 2010 began a six-month sexual relationship with a girl who went to the school. The teacher, Elkis Hermida, was convicted of lewd acts against a child and sentenced in July 2011 to three years in state prison.

The girl's family filed a civil lawsuit against L.A. Unified, claiming the district was negligent and the experience had emotionally damaged the girl, endangering any future romantic relationships she might have.

During the three week civil trial, district lawyers denied that L.A. Unified had any knowledge of the relationship, argued the girl knew what she was doing when she chose to have sex with Hermida and suggested the girl was to blame for her situation, not LAUSD.

"She lied to her mother so she could have sex with her teacher," said Keith Wyatt, L.A. Unified's trial attorney in the case, in an interview with KPCC. "She went to a motel in which she engaged in voluntary consensual sex with her teacher. Why shouldn't she be responsible for that?"

Wyatt cited a 2009 legal ruling by the US District Court for California's Central District that said in certain circumstances a minor can consent to sex. That ruling, in the case of Doe v. Starbucks, cited a 2001 decision by the California Supreme Court in a criminal case, People v. Tobias.

In Tobias, the supreme court argued that when the state legislature added the crime of "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor" to the penal code in 1970, the lawmakers "implicitly acknowledged that, in some cases at least, a minor may be capable of giving legal consent to sexual relations."

In its Doe ruling, the District Court went on to cite another court decision as grounds for its conclusion that "the rule that 'a minor may be capable of giving legal consent to sexual relations' has been extended to non-criminal cases."

The Doe and Tobias decisions left California law "horribly flawed," said Jennifer Drobac, a law professor with Robert H. McKinley Law school at Indiana University who has studied consent laws nationwide, including the Doe v. Starbucks case.

California is one of several states where the criminal age of consent laws clash with the civil laws, according to Drobac, noting a minor can be a victim in a criminal case, but found at fault in a civil case related to the same crime.

"It doesn’t make sense," said Drobac. "The same parties, same behavior, same everything, consent is no defense in a criminal trial. But the same set of facts in a civil prosecution, consent is a complete defense. How is that possible? It's not logical."

Drobac called L.A. Unified's courtroom tactics in the civil lawsuit "shocking."

Another leading expert, law professor Marci Hamilton of the Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School in New York, called the school district's approach in the civil trial "outrageous," and accused it of "engaging in scorched earth tactics."

Hamilton echoed Drobac's criticisms of the California court rulings on consent.

"If this is a correct interpretation of California law, California is in the dark ages and against the great weight of the social science on brain and emotional development," said Hamiliton, who added, "the legislature needs to take this up.

"This reasoning is incoherent, especially in the school context," she went on. "It would have the court focus on the child's consent without taking the authority and power of the adult into account...This reasoning takes a page out of the old 'consent' defenses for rape based on a woman's sexual history, which have been thoroughly discredited."

L.A. Unified lawyer Wyatt insisted that a 14-year-old can have the maturity to consent to sex.

"Making a decision as to whether or not to cross the street when traffic is coming, that takes a level of maturity and that's a much more dangerous decision than to decide, 'Hey, I want to have sex with my teacher,'" Wyatt told KPCC.

In his closing argument during the civil trial, Wyatt maintained that the girl was pursuing the case for purely financial reasons.

"She wants to be paid for doing something that she knew was wrong, that she acknowledged was wrong, that she knew was from the beginning," Wyatt argued, adding, "She doesn't want therapy, she wants money. That's what they are asking you for."

Minor's sexual history heard

During the trial, L.A. County Superior Court Judge Lawrence Cho allowed L.A. Unified to introduce evidence of the girl's sexual history as part of its defense.

California's rape shield law prohibits evidence of a sexually abused victim's sexual history in criminal trials, but it is allowed in civil cases, according to Jeff Dion, Deputy Executive Director of the Washington, D.C.-based National Center for Victims of Crime.

"I think it's unusual that we are seeing it being used against a child," said Dion.

Marci Hamilton went further, saying, "basically they are treating child victims worse than an adult victim of rape. It makes no sense."

L.A. Unified also persuaded Judge Cho to place the girl's name on the jury's verdict form, which provided an opportunity for jurors to find her comparatively negligent, or at fault.

Cho admitted his ruling was unusual, saying, "There is currently no published decision in California" allowing the consideration of a child victim's comparative negligence in a school sex abuse case.

The judge "went beyond the bounds of common sense," said Hamilton.

Cho's move surprised the girl's attorney, Frank Perez.

"I have never seen a verdict form where the child has been listed as partially responsible for his or her own molestation," said Perez.

In the end, the jury didn't fill out the verdict form. It ruled in favor of LAUSD, accepting the district's argument that it had no knowledge of the relationship and therefore was not at fault.

Perez said the case is being appealed, in part because the girl's name was on the verdict form.

[pagas]

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. GROSS.

[elleblue]

Wtf. No. 

[firelight1210]

Holy shit.



This is disgusting and I can't believe they are even arguing it.

[joshlyman]

He literally argued that we let children make the decision to cross the street, which is a much more dangerous decision than making the choice to have sex.

[ginap]

And as for this part "Last November, Los Angeles Unified School District lawyers fighting a civil lawsuit argued in court that a 14-year-old middle school student was mature enough to consent to having sex with her 28-year-old teacher, and that she bore some responsibility for what happened. The district's attorneys also introduced the girl's sexual history into the trial as part of their defense strategy."

Horrifying. 

[wambam]

NO NO NO

[panbitch]

And lawyers wonder how they got that reputation

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Nov 13, 2014 13:02:32 GMT -5 panbitch said:

And lawyers wonder how they got that reputation

Well, this is just unnecessary.

Note that there is a lawyer for plaintiff as well.

[joshlyman]

Nov 13, 2014 13:02:32 GMT -5 panbitch said:

And lawyers wonder how they got that reputation

This attorney seriously isn't even ashamed - he gave NPR interviews and defended the argument, and was a pompous asshole in the audio.

[joshlyman]

Nov 13, 2014 13:12:00 GMT -5 @misoangry said:

Nov 13, 2014 13:02:32 GMT -5 panbitch said:

And lawyers wonder how they got that reputation

Well, this is just unnecessary.

Note that there is a lawyer for plaintiff as well.

Correct, this particular attorney (and the LAUSD) can eat a giant dick tho.

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Nov 13, 2014 13:12:48 GMT -5 joshlyman said:

Nov 13, 2014 13:12:00 GMT -5 @misoangry said:

Well, this is just unnecessary.

Note that there is a lawyer for plaintiff as well.

Correct, this particular attorney (and the LAUSD) can eat a giant dick tho.

Agree.

[zoomzoom]

The lawyer's arguments were indeed disgusting.

I'm saddened by the fact that b/c her parents sued civilly, the girl's name is permanently attached to this. I don't know if I would have put my child through that or not. The whole case just sucks. And I can't believe the guy only got three years.

[angelaa73]

Go home LA. You're drunk

[panbitch]

I do not know how the attorney for LAUSD can justify himself doing this, and the attorney for Jamison Winston who tweeted the name of the accuser? I agree that all the attorneys I know personally are very ethical but it seems many of the loudest ones who get the most publicity are jerks like these two.

[Gato]

If I were a parent in the LA school district, I would be LIVID. So, you're saying if my child is molested, you will attack her in order to defend yourself from liability? NOT OKAY. What's sad is that they could have stuck with saying they had no knowledge of the teacher's actions, since this is why the jury eventually found them not liable.

[jodinia]

I have this puzzled look on my face, because I can't process this as any semblance of reality.

[karmasabiotch]

Sick

[shostakovich]

"During the trial, L.A. County Superior Court Judge Lawrence Cho allowed L.A. Unified to introduce evidence of the girl's sexual history as part of its defense."

My head just fucking exploded.

[lissaholly]

This is just sick.

I also don't understand how a 14 year old with a sexual history can be proven as anything but a victim by an older man in a position of power over her. That is some sick sick misogynistic logic.