Oh, I almost forgot!

[speckledfrog]

Whack job. I wish people like that knew how off putting their tactics are, even to those who BF.

[MrsAxilla]

Nov 23, 2014 20:13:17 GMT -5 AutumnRose25 said:

I had my first nutty La Leche encounter yesterday (at a a Toastmasters conference of all places LOL)

Highlights include:
- I should NEVER EVER give the baby formula regardless of what my pediatrician says about weight/nutrition issues because it will "ruin her digestive system and set her up for lifetime issues with obesity."

- I should NOT introduce a bottle AT ALL until after she is 6 months old.
When I mentioned that I am hoping to combo BF/bottle feed BM as soon as possible since  have to go back to work at 8 weeks at which point H will have to bottle feed during the day, I was told I "need to take more time off because the baby's health is the MOST important thing, more important than a job"

- I should plan in breast feeding for at least two years unless I "want to guarantee your baby will be sickly once they start attending school".

Then she handed me her LLL business card and said "be sure you call me once you have the baby".


Um.....NOPE.

That's a great way to ensure your baby NEVER takes a bottle. Lol.  

[birdistheword]

You sure are setting your kid up for a miserable life, what with all the autism-causing ultrasounds you're getting and NOW you are going to ruin her digestive system with formula and bottles?!

[Mrs. ChanandlerBong]

LOL. I can laugh now, but in the midst of it people like that were a large part of my feelings of being a horrible mother because I had such a hard time nursing and switched for formula ( and I should have made that switch months sooner than I did, instead of being as miserable as I was at the time)


My formula fed kids are both in school and far from sickly.

My niece, who was EBF for 18 months is on 2 or 3 meds for asthma plus has a nebulizer that gets steady use.


And I firmly believe it's genetics, not how they were fed as babies that is the difference.


Sometimes, I think the LLL doesn't realize that their tactics push people away from nursing or make people who are having trouble nursing feel worse than they already feel about the situation. It's not easy for everyone. And like anything else, if you have an easy time with it, it's hard to comprehend what's so hard about it for other people.

[mudslide]

I hate when people act like this. Really freaking hate it. I pumped for T for an entire freaking year and I still hate these people.

[isabel]

Pretty sure my kid is going to benefit more from me being able to pay the electric bill and provide myself with enough sustenance to produce breast milk than he will be harmed by being fed breast milk from a bottle.

[Jalapeñomel]

This makes me sad, because these organizations can be incredibly helpful when you are struggling to breastfeed.

[bronxgirl]

at what point in this encounter did you punch her in the face?

[Jalapeñomel]

Nov 23, 2014 20:31:53 GMT -5 @smace said:

Nov 23, 2014 20:28:33 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

This makes me sad, because these organizations can be incredibly helpful when you are struggling to breastfeed.

Exactly, these fruitcakes undermine the organization's purpose. to *help* women wanting to bf, not shame people into it.

The last thing any woman needs to hear when she's tried everything, she hasn't sleep in days, and her baby won't stop crying is how much she's screwing up her child by giving her a bottle or formula or whatever.

[CurlyQ284]

My mom told me she threw a LLL lady out of her hospital room after she had my brother because she was so awful.

[Deleted]

I threw a lactation consultant out for far less than any of those things that you mentioned in your post. She was awful. There was another one that was nice and supportive but in the end I was unable to breastfeed because I produced no milk. Just like my mother and my sister. My formula fed kid seems to be thriving.

[Jalapeñomel]

And assholes, my son, in the NICU, got a bottle by nurses who were, you know, trying to feed him to make sure he got out of the NICU, and I had no issues breastfeeding him for 12 months.

[lime]

I hate people like this.

To take this to a logical extension, all adoptive parents feed their kids poison.

[thecatinthehat]

Fuck these idiots! So starve your baby instead?! Sounds great!

[lilac05]

Ugh. I'm glad you're smart enough to recognize a crazy when you see one!

My mom's only experience with people who breastfed after 6 months was a friend who was like this. My mom thought all "extended" breastfeeders were crazy like this and had a very negative view of it. Thankfully, after seeing that it's possible to breastfeed after a year AND be a reasonable person regarding all things formula/Breastfeeding, she has changed her mind. She was very opinionated about it for awhile, though.

[papie]

Nutso.

Oh and as a mother who breast feeds into toddlerhood, my kids get sick just as much as all the other ones.

And not introducing the bottle before 5 months was the mistake I made every time, resulting in babies who never ever ever drank from a bottle. We'll Alex will take 1-2 ounces at daycare. Fail.

[FastHands]

Nov 23, 2014 20:15:51 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Nov 23, 2014 20:13:17 GMT -5 AutumnRose25 said:

I had my first nutty La Leche encounter yesterday (at a a Toastmasters conference of all places LOL)

Highlights include:
- I should NEVER EVER give the baby formula regardless of what my pediatrician says about weight/nutrition issues because it will "ruin her digestive system and set her up for lifetime issues with obesity."

- I should NOT introduce a bottle AT ALL until after she is 6 months old.
When I mentioned that I am hoping to combo BF/bottle feed BM as soon as possible since  have to go back to work at 8 weeks at which point H will have to bottle feed during the day, I was told I "need to take more time off because the baby's health is the MOST important thing, more important than a job"

- I should plan in breast feeding for at least two years unless I "want to guarantee your baby will be sickly once they start attending school".

Then she handed me her LLL business card and said "be sure you call me once you have the baby".


Um.....NOPE.

That's a great way to ensure your baby NEVER takes a bottle. Lol.  

No. Shit. We waited till 8 weeks because DS has awful gas issues, and the dr warned us that that was the absolute latest we should wait.

I almlst feel like you should contact LLL, AutumnRose25. I know some can be a little overboard with proEBF, but I've never known them to actually give BAD info. And most of that was just bad.

[anongbcn]

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[VeryViolet]

Nov 23, 2014 20:28:33 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

This makes me sad, because these organizations can be incredibly helpful when you are struggling to breastfeed.

I just wanted to qft. The leaders at LLL were so incredibly supportive, helpful and awesome when I needed help. It makes me so sad when I hear about encounters like this because I know it makes people scared to use what, at least in my experience, is an amazing resource.

[MrsAxilla]

To be honest, I could use some good LLL advice and thought about calling them. Isn't frkls a lactation consultant?

[nikki25]

Nov 23, 2014 20:35:15 GMT -5 CurlyQ284 said:

My mom told me she threw a LLL lady out of her hospital room after she had my brother because she was so awful.

I hate to bash anyone working and supporting breastfeeding, but, fuck, I had to do this exact thing as your mom. When I had my DD (4 years old) I had mastitis 5 times prior which transformed into a very severe abscess where I was hospitalized for a week. I had to have immediate surgery where I had two large incisions above and below my the nip; worst part was the wounds had to close from within so it was a good 8 weeks before they fully closed. I do not shit, hours after the surgery where my breast was completely covered in bandages with two completely opened incisions and two tubes from top to bottom the breast- feeding ' support' came to my room and scolded me insisting that I could and SHOULD still nurse with my breast completely cut through. Oh, and the bitch said I made myself sick because my pump was not properly cleaned, but, you know, I had been in the hospital and attempted to pump which I had to dump because of the IV antibiotics and did my best to clean it in the crap bathroom sink. I was so horrible with this lady that I literally had to call security to escort her out of my room. She tried coming back the next day and a letter had to be placed outside my hospital room that this person is banned from my room, lol. I am pretty sure I may be only one of 20 people in this world to kick out a LLL, lol.

I definitely had a special snowflake with her but when asked if I wanted to speak with a breastfeeding consultant after my twins were born I had to decline due to my prior experience. I am all for breastfeeding but that lady from the hospital can go fuck herself.

And, I made this post all about me, lol, but to the OP that fucking sucks

[isabel]

Nov 23, 2014 22:22:32 GMT -5 nikki25 said:

Nov 23, 2014 20:35:15 GMT -5 CurlyQ284 said:

My mom told me she threw a LLL lady out of her hospital room after she had my brother because she was so awful.

What in the actual fuck!?

[buffyasummers]

Shit like this makes me so incredibly ragey. She probably goes home and lights up her Virgina Slims while sipping her southern comfort and eating her TV dinner ans watching the Kardashians. Judgey people are usually the biggest hypocrites.

[kristie]

Well she sounds lovely, you should definitely call her.

And just to clarify because some people are confusing me in this post. There are certified lactation counselors (CLCs) and there is la leche league (LLL) a nonprofit organization. Both can have their over the top BFing crazies, but they play two different roles.

[cheeseandcrackers]

oh man, she sounds annoying.
this seems like a good place to ask though.. if i plan on pumping/formula/breast feeding combo, how soon should i introduce the bottle anyway?

[nikki25]

Nov 23, 2014 22:49:31 GMT -5 isabel said:

Nov 23, 2014 22:22:32 GMT -5 nikki25 said:

What in the actual fuck!?

Is what I did fucked  up? Or the lactation nurse being a fucking twat? Just curious.

It truly was horrible and she did very good job of making me unworthy and preaching the chemicals in formula. S

[isabel]

Nov 23, 2014 23:14:58 GMT -5 nikki25 said:

Nov 23, 2014 22:49:31 GMT -5 isabel said:

What in the actual fuck!?

Is what I did fucked  up? Or the lactation nurse being a fucking twat? Just curious.

It truly was horrible and she did very good job of making me unworthy and preaching the chemicals in formula. S

The lactation nurse. I just can't even comprehend someone saying something like that to you when you're in that condition. Not to mention, I bet you were on all kinds of drugs that would affect your milk, no?

The nurse was a fucking twat. And that's being nice about it, IMO.

[Mrs. ChanandlerBong]

Nov 23, 2014 23:08:27 GMT -5 cheeseandcrackers said:

oh man, she sounds annoying.
this seems like a good place to ask though.. if i plan on pumping/formula/breast feeding combo, how soon should i introduce the bottle anyway?

I started right away. With my second c-section, H had to come home to care for our older child, so I was alone in the room at night. This allowed me to send my son to the nursery for part of the night. So I would nurse at 11, then send him to the nursery. They would do the 2 am feed with formula, then bring him back to me at 6 am. 

Once we got home I went to all nursing/pumping, and I really wish we had kept up with the bottle, just to give me a bit of a break. I was banking up milk so I could leave the house ( and then ended up having to dump most of it because we found he had sensitivities to the dairy I was eating/drinking, and once that was sorted, we figured out I make too much lipase, and he wouldn't drink the frozen milk), but even with doing it right at the beginning, we never had an issue with him latching.


www.justbreastfeeding.com/diet-concerns/lipase/

[nikki25]

Nov 23, 2014 23:16:24 GMT -5 isabel said:

Nov 23, 2014 23:14:58 GMT -5 nikki25 said:

Is what I did fucked  up? Or the lactation nurse being a fucking twat? Just curious.

It truly was horrible and she did very good job of making me unworthy and preaching the chemicals in formula. S

The lactation nurse. I just can't even comprehend someone saying something like that to you when you're in that condition. Not to mention, I bet you were on all kinds of drugs that would affect your milk, no?

The nurse was a fucking twat. And that's being nice about it, IMO.

Yes, I was on very heavy IV of antibiotics for several days which I had to dump all the down the drain. It was a hot mess, lol.

[Captain Serious]

Nov 23, 2014 20:46:56 GMT -5 lime said:

I hate people like this.

To take this to a logical extension, all adoptive parents feed their kids poison.

Well, not all. There are those extremely dedicated adoptive mothers who induce lactation. Now, children adopted by gay men are just screwed since their really is no such thing as wet nurses anymore. {rolls eyes}