@roseyposey, I'm so out of the loop. I didn't realize B broke her leg! Poor thing. How long is she in a cast?
Re: forward-facing, I also don't see it as something to judge as long as the kid is at least two. (And of course there are exceptions for younger than two.) What I don't understand, and it seems to be confined to my area, is that the "crunchy" parents I know seem to forward-face their kids by 18 months (this is a selective sample of people who I have seen loading/unloading their kids from cars), and I suspect at least some don't vaccinate. So... the danger of vaccinations is scary, but forward-facing a one-year-old is cool?
A Nickelback song just popped up on my playlist and I'm not even fast-forwarding to the next song.
Wait, which song?
Just kidding, they're all equally flameful.
wait, no. The one about "you always looked better with something in your mouth" is the most flamefulest them all. Then comes the one that's about kinky sex/domestic violence, and then the rest of them are just middlebrow schlock.
<-- owns multiple nickelback mp3s, more than one full-length Avril Lavigne album, and currently listening to Muse on my spotify station. Why do people get to enjoy Katy Perry guilt free, but mediocre popular rock-n-roll is flameworthy? :zips ups flamesuit:
B can't go to day care tomorrow because he had a fever right before pick up. I know he's just teething so if he seems okay tomorrow we will go meet Santa.
Post by catsarecute on Nov 24, 2014 18:18:31 GMT -5
My MIL and SIL are on Weight Watchers and I have this dumb worry that they will eat exactly nothing except steamed veggies on thanksgiving making me look like a fatty because I will eat all the things TWICE.
@roseyposey, I'm so out of the loop. I didn't realize B broke her leg! Poor thing. How long is she in a cast?
Re: forward-facing, I also don't see it as something to judge as long as the kid is at least two. (And of course there are exceptions for younger than two.) What I don't understand, and it seems to be confined to my area, is that the "crunchy" parents I know seem to forward-face their kids by 18 months (this is a selective sample of people who I have seen loading/unloading their kids from cars), and I suspect at least some don't vaccinate. So... the danger of vaccinations is scary, but forward-facing a one-year-old is cool?
Someone hasn't been on FB in awhile! Doctor said 4-6 weeks. I think she's totally loving all the attention and being able to watch ALL.THE.MOVIES.
I totally agree with the crunchies choosing what to be crunchy about. It drives me insane. At the ERs and doc appt, everyone asked if we were current on vaccinations. I want to ask what they do if people say no.
I have a flameful. I am sick of babygirl kicking. Sick of it. She kicks SO HARD all day and all night. It's not "magical", I'm not "elated to be creating a life inside of me." I just want it to STOP.
Brie's dog sweater question reminded me that I think it's weird when a family wears matching pajamas. Especially if they're long john style. Especially especially if they then use a photo of themselves in those pajamas for a holiday card. I feel vicariously embarrassed for them. I won't even answer the door for pizza delivery in my loose-fitting flannel pajamas.
@roseyposey, I'm so out of the loop. I didn't realize B broke her leg! Poor thing. How long is she in a cast?
Re: forward-facing, I also don't see it as something to judge as long as the kid is at least two. (And of course there are exceptions for younger than two.) What I don't understand, and it seems to be confined to my area, is that the "crunchy" parents I know seem to forward-face their kids by 18 months (this is a selective sample of people who I have seen loading/unloading their kids from cars), and I suspect at least some don't vaccinate. So... the danger of vaccinations is scary, but forward-facing a one-year-old is cool?
Someone hasn't been on FB in awhile! Doctor said 4-6 weeks. I think she's totally loving all the attention and being able to watch ALL.THE.MOVIES.
I totally agree with the crunchies choosing what to be crunchy about. It drives me insane. At the ERs and doc appt, everyone asked if we were current on vaccinations. I want to ask what they do if people say no.
You made me realize I've only been on FB the last few days to respond to status tags. Bah.
Someone hasn't been on FB in awhile! Doctor said 4-6 weeks. I think she's totally loving all the attention and being able to watch ALL.THE.MOVIES.
I totally agree with the crunchies choosing what to be crunchy about. It drives me insane. At the ERs and doc appt, everyone asked if we were current on vaccinations. I want to ask what they do if people say no.
You made me realize I've only been on FB the last few days to respond to status tags. Bah.
No, the doc said that its not much different than a trash bag, but now I'm wondering if he didn't know about this amazing product. I'm about to start googling for it.
We used a trash bag last night and put her potty chair in the bath tub in order to give her a shower.
H used this when he broke his foot and it was awesome:
You made me realize I've only been on FB the last few days to respond to status tags. Bah.
Slacker
Work that busy??
:-( But not too busy to get caught up in this thread.
No, really, I love my new job but this vendor royally fucked us over right before Thanksgiving, so I'm scrambling to put things back in place. But the upside is my leadership realizes it's not my fault, that I'm doing the best I can, and they're laying down the law with vendor. /brightside.
Post by kangaroo11 on Nov 24, 2014 18:33:22 GMT -5
I really like the new Nickelback song (Revolution?). I even made my husband listen to it when I was driving. But most people would hate my choice in music anyway, so I don't care.
To follow up I worry I told my boss's boss how attractive I think he is while drunk. Probably not based on lack of awkwardness but still. I should never get drunk around attractive people
maybe thats why he didn't sit next to you at the conference/seminar/whatever.
Oh here's my flameful. I wonder if the people who bitch and moan on social media about retail employees who work Thanksgiving are thinking about all the people who work at Facebook, Twitter, etc. behind the scenes to make sure social media sites stay up and running. 365 days a year. Including Thanksgiving. So people can post their angry tweets.
Sorry but I can't get it up about retail employees working on Thanksgiving. Some people have jobs that require holiday work. I personally think it is ludicrous that people even WANT to shop on Black Friday, let alone Thanksgiving--you will not catch me anywhere near a retail store on those days--but I don't feel like corporations are paragons of evil for opening on those days. The demand is clearly there. It's pure lunacy, but if I was a retail store I'd want to take advantage of it too.
I welcome all your flames.
Just can't agree with this, in general.
1. Retail establishments were previously almost exclusively closed on Thanksgiving day. A person hired by, say, Macy's knew that the holiday season would be insane, but they could *at least* count on Thanksgiving and Christmas days as sacrosanct. To change that on employees and make Thanksgiving a required "all hands" day, as some of these companies have done is crappy, since there is no true need for these places to be open.
2. Other companies, such as the tech giants you mention, may designate certain positions as critical and require they be covered 24/7, but you can bet those employees are paid significantly more than most retail employees, and knew what they were getting into at hiring, and get to do that work from the comfort of a desk or even home. Still not ideal and not life or death, but very different from retail. I work for a company with that kind of infrastructure, and know the support working the holidays is compensated very well.
There's no NEED for people to be able to get on Facebook, either, lol. The stores are open because they make money because people are willing to shop on Thanksgiving, just as Facebook wants to keep its uptime as close to 100% as possible to make money. This has been going on for years, so I don't really find it plausible that most retail employees are caught by surprise at this point if they are asked to work on Thanksgiving. Especially since most of them are paid well (time and a half).
In the early years of our marriage my H was in a job where he had to work holidays and he made time and a half. It wasn't retail, but it wasn't great. And sitting behind a desk didn't make it any better, btw. It was just part of his job. It's part of a lot of jobs. It's a known part of retail jobs at this point.
And bottom line, if you don't like it, don't effing shop on Thanksgiving. I don't. Again, retailers ONLY open because people eat it up. I don't get the appeal of waking up at 2 AM to go Black Friday shopping either but that has been going on for years, too. Retailers are only going to change their practices if their stores sit empty on Thanksgiving, but most people are too manic to save $50 to care.
Post by scribellesam on Nov 24, 2014 18:54:28 GMT -5
I have to say, guys, when I saw a 7-page thread I was hoping for better than our tired ERF obsession, Thanksgiving food hate, and canned veggie-gate.
I do enjoy the continuing and baffling saga of shelbyann and her weird IL Christmas situation, though. So strange, why in earth would you choose to travel for Christmas when you literally cannot leave your hotel room? That sounds awful.
Haha, it also has butter and chicken broth? It is definitely mushy. It's probably mostly just that it's the stuffing I grew up with. It basically tastes like original stove top but less fake. I could eat 4 cups.
But StoveTop actually has some FLAVOR!!!!
This is my mom's recipe (plus copious amounts of sage) and it is FANTASTIC.
Brie's dog sweater question reminded me that I think it's weird when a family wears matching pajamas. Especially if they're long john style. Especially especially if they then use a photo of themselves in those pajamas for a holiday card. I feel vicariously embarrassed for them. I won't even answer the door for pizza delivery in my loose-fitting flannel pajamas.
Related confession: If I know I don't have to go anywhere, I will change straight into my pajama pants when I get home from work. And I can't even claim "no shame," because I do feel ashamed, but flannel PJ pants win out.
Brie's dog sweater question reminded me that I think it's weird when a family wears matching pajamas. Especially if they're long john style. Especially especially if they then use a photo of themselves in those pajamas for a holiday card. I feel vicariously embarrassed for them. I won't even answer the door for pizza delivery in my loose-fitting flannel pajamas.
Related confession: If I know I don't have to go anywhere, I will change straight into my pajama pants when I get home from work. And I can't even claim "no shame," because I do feel ashamed, but flannel PJ pants win out.
Dude this should not even be a confession. This is just a logical thing to do. Don't feel ashamed. A life where I could not change into my comfy pants the second I am done being out and about for the day would not be a life worth living.
1. Retail establishments were previously almost exclusively closed on Thanksgiving day. A person hired by, say, Macy's knew that the holiday season would be insane, but they could *at least* count on Thanksgiving and Christmas days as sacrosanct. To change that on employees and make Thanksgiving a required "all hands" day, as some of these companies have done is crappy, since there is no true need for these places to be open.
2. Other companies, such as the tech giants you mention, may designate certain positions as critical and require they be covered 24/7, but you can bet those employees are paid significantly more than most retail employees, and knew what they were getting into at hiring, and get to do that work from the comfort of a desk or even home. Still not ideal and not life or death, but very different from retail. I work for a company with that kind of infrastructure, and know the support working the holidays is compensated very well.
There's no NEED for people to be able to get on Facebook, either, lol. The stores are open because they make money because people are willing to shop on Thanksgiving, just as Facebook wants to keep its uptime as close to 100% as possible to make money. This has been going on for years, so I don't really find it plausible that most retail employees are caught by surprise at this point if they are asked to work on Thanksgiving. Especially since most of them are paid well (time and a half).
In the early years of our marriage my H was in a job where he had to work holidays and he made time and a half. It wasn't retail, but it wasn't great. And sitting behind a desk didn't make it any better, btw. It was just part of his job. It's part of a lot of jobs. It's a known part of retail jobs at this point.
And bottom line, if you don't like it, don't effing shop on Thanksgiving. I don't. Again, retailers ONLY open because people eat it up. I don't get the appeal of waking up at 2 AM to go Black Friday shopping either but that has been going on for years, too. Retailers are only going to change their practices if their stores sit empty on Thanksgiving, but most people are too manic to save $50 to care.
Oh, I know there's no need for social media (or what have you) on the holiday, either, but it's still a matter of changing employment terms on employees, which I think is especially insulting when we're talking about retail front-liners because the corporate executives want to further pad their profits. And I don't shop on Thanksgiving, but enough people do that now that this is the "new normal," it will continue. It's a slow creep, and I think it's really crappy.
Brie's dog sweater question reminded me that I think it's weird when a family wears matching pajamas. Especially if they're long john style. Especially especially if they then use a photo of themselves in those pajamas for a holiday card. I feel vicariously embarrassed for them. I won't even answer the door for pizza delivery in my loose-fitting flannel pajamas.
That's weird. I won't wear pjs out of the house, but I'll certainly answer the door in them.
I mean, if I'm the one available I will, but if H is there I'll ask him to do it.
There's no NEED for people to be able to get on Facebook, either, lol. The stores are open because they make money because people are willing to shop on Thanksgiving, just as Facebook wants to keep its uptime as close to 100% as possible to make money. This has been going on for years, so I don't really find it plausible that most retail employees are caught by surprise at this point if they are asked to work on Thanksgiving. Especially since most of them are paid well (time and a half).
In the early years of our marriage my H was in a job where he had to work holidays and he made time and a half. It wasn't retail, but it wasn't great. And sitting behind a desk didn't make it any better, btw. It was just part of his job. It's part of a lot of jobs. It's a known part of retail jobs at this point.
And bottom line, if you don't like it, don't effing shop on Thanksgiving. I don't. Again, retailers ONLY open because people eat it up. I don't get the appeal of waking up at 2 AM to go Black Friday shopping either but that has been going on for years, too. Retailers are only going to change their practices if their stores sit empty on Thanksgiving, but most people are too manic to save $50 to care.
Oh, I know there's no need for social media (or what have you) on the holiday, either, but it's still a matter of changing employment terms on employees, which I think is especially insulting when we're talking about retail front-liners because the corporate executives want to further pad their profits. And I don't shop on Thanksgiving, but enough people do that now that this is the "new normal," it will continue. It's a slow creep, and I think it's really crappy.
Yeah, I think my take is more that this has been the practice for so long I don't really regard it as a change in employment terms at this point. (Unless you are a career retail employee, but my understanding is most of these employees have signed on as seasonals). I don't agree about "padding profits" since my understanding is that many retailers rely on Black Friday and Thanksgiving to even TURN a profit for the year since profit margins are so slim on most of their offerings. I am willing to stand corrected on that. I agree that the "slow creep" is crappy. We are fortunate not to be in a position to rely on retail jobs for our living. I think a lot of things suck about retail and this is just one straw in a whole haystack.
This really is not a very flameworthy thread. lol.