Hmmm. So you are saying the U.S. didn't get involved to investigate if there was a terrorist angle to the missing plane?
I'm saying, pretty clearly, that the theory did not originate with you. Lol.
By the way, is "I have commercial pilot friends!" the new "I have black friends!"?
That's not what I was implying, at all. So with that clear, would you and mofongo answer my question? You think this theory is so off the charts that the government didn't consider/investigate it?
I am slightly baffled that most of you seem so adamant that this is so far fetched that it's in the conspiracy theory arena. I've already stated that it's the least likely possibility but honestly don't think its implausible.
And uh, no. Speaking to and being friends with someone who flies commercially for a living and has experience with fighting terrorism has nothing to do wth trying to legitimize yourself as not being racist by saying you have black friends. Don't be weird.
Post by killercupcake on Dec 28, 2014 12:16:20 GMT -5
Military employment doesn't mean anything in terms of national security knowledge unless you are super high ranking and calling the shots in terms of missions.
Everyone else is given a job to do, even pilots. Their actions are determined for them. They're not the ones planning things because of politics or security or anything else. They're given a route, and they fly it.
Sure, they might have basic education, but they're no more the experts than anyone else around here.
Military employment doesn't mean anything in terms of national security knowledge unless you are super high ranking and calling the shots in terms of missions.
Everyone else is given a job to do, even pilots. Their actions are determined for them. They're not the ones planning things because of politics or security or anything else. They're given a route, and they fly it.
Sure, they might have basic education, but they're no more the experts than anyone else around here.
So the military learns about terriorism from the news outlets like the rest of us? Come on, they know more than "everyone else around here"
Military employment doesn't mean anything in terms of national security knowledge unless you are super high ranking and calling the shots in terms of missions.
Everyone else is given a job to do, even pilots. Their actions are determined for them. They're not the ones planning things because of politics or security or anything else. They're given a route, and they fly it.
Sure, they might have basic education, but they're no more the experts than anyone else around here.
So the military learns about terriorism from the news outlets like the rest of us? Come on, they know more than "everyone else around here"
Hmm. Still not answering the question. Interesting.
Your question is ridiculous. It's the job of national security experts to examine and be prepared to respond to every possibility. They don't always do this, but is their job. The answer to your question is: duh.
What bugs is how, even though you claim to believe that it is the least plausible explanation, you jump right to it. "They're stockpiling planes, right?" You won't admit it, but you're blatantly gleeful about it.
Gleeful? About what?
You can disagree with me all you want, but that was an asshole comment Toledo.
My best friend is in the Air Force. While they sometimes have more in depth insight into things, they do not have the depth of knowledge you seem to think they do until they get to a certain level and on certain assignments.
Would you say you friend had less, the same, or more knowledge about terriorism than you do?
And more importantly, so you have black friends? Apparently saying you military friends is the same thing, so watch out!
Post by underwaterrhymes on Dec 28, 2014 12:44:01 GMT -5
It would be a huge threat to our national security if our military was given all of the knowledge you think they are, fields. The vast majority of our military forces are kept in the dark on all but that which relates directly to the mission they're on.
Pilots generally have clearances relating to equipment, not actual Intel. One doesn't have to be high ranking IOT know shit, but the people who do are in the Intel field if they're not. However, if the terrorists start using muskets and linear tactics, then I'm an expert.
Thank you - I certainly understand the concept of "need to know basis". It's scary that those who are employed to protect our national security have noore knowledge than myself (in terms of intell) I didn't find that to be the case in speaking to my friend, but he's been in the military for over a decade so perhaps his experience alone has given him better than average insight.
It would be a huge threat to our national security if our military was given all of the knowledge you think they are, fields. The vast majority of our military forces are kept in the dark on all but that which relates directly to the mission they're on.
I'm not saying everyone knows everything; I'm just surprised they know no more than me.
While I'm sure that our national security experts evaluate many far fetched options, generally speaking terrorists don't act like Bond villains all mwah haha. If they wanted to stockpile planes they'd form shell companies and purchase them or their component parts.
It would be a huge threat to our national security if our military was given all of the knowledge you think they are, fields. The vast majority of our military forces are kept in the dark on all but that which relates directly to the mission they're on.
I'm not saying everyone knows everything; I'm just surprised they know no more than me.Â
Keep in mind that a good deal of our military comprises people who are young and relatively inexperienced. They're often thrown into extremely volatile and emotionally challenging situations and given basic training, but very little actual information. Generally speaking this is for protection in the event of capture, but also because there is no reason for someone on the ground in Syria to need to know some of the higher level security details unless they pertain directly to their own safety.
If someone who does have security clearance is offering up information to his or her friends, they're either exaggerating to impress people or doing a great disservice to our government.
Thank you - I certainly understand the concept of "need to know basis". It's scary that those who are employed to protect our national security have noore knowledge than myself (in terms of intell) I didn't find that to be the case in speaking to my friend, but he's been in the military for over a decade so perhaps his experience alone has given him better than average insight.
One thing I'll say is that anyone with real insight won't be talking about it. A decade in as a pilot puts him at captain level, possibly a major. It's not that fancy tbh. He likely knows his job well and I'd certainly trust him to fly me anywhere, we all pretty much get the same general terrorism briefings. Except the Intel guys. But even they just know their piece of the puzzle for the most part. I have a friend (lol) who's an Intel officer and he and I have talked national security and politics only in a very general sense. He would never talk specific theories about anything, not even to discount them. He'd just make a joke/change the subject.
Look, he's not sharing state secrets with me, at all. And I never ever said he did. He just validated my theory as very plausible and confirmed he shared the same belief. My statement around sharing this conversation was to given credence to the theory, given that He has experience in flying both for a commercial airline, as well as having flown missions in the Middle East related to the war against terrorists.
My husband was briefly commercial pilot and thinks they are at the bottom of the ocean. I'm skeptical that there are "lots" of pilots who believe this conspiracy theory.
One thing I'll say is that anyone with real insight won't be talking about it. A decade in as a pilot puts him at captain level, possibly a major. It's not that fancy tbh. He likely knows his job well and I'd certainly trust him to fly me anywhere, we all pretty much get the same general terrorism briefings. Except the Intel guys. But even they just know their piece of the puzzle for the most part. I have a friend (lol) who's an Intel officer and he and I have talked national security and politics only in a very general sense. He would never talk specific theories about anything, not even to discount them. He'd just make a joke/change the subject.
Look, he's not sharing state secrets with me, at all. And I never ever said he did. He just validated my theory as very plausible and confirmed he shared the same belief. My statement around sharing this conversation was to given credence to the theory, given that He has experience in flying both for a commercial airline, as well as having flown missions in the Middle East related to the war against terrorists.
Ok I do have one thing to add lol.
Just because 1 military person believes a theory is possible, doesn't really mean much. They don't speak for the whole military body or government.
There were some doctors I interacted with who were basically being idiots when talking about Ebola here in the U.S. and I couldn't help but internally role my eyes like whoa. Doctors can be idiots too lol.
"Experts" aren't necessarily experts if you know what I mean.
Thank you - I certainly understand the concept of "need to know basis". It's scary that those who are employed to protect our national security have noore knowledge than myself (in terms of intell) I didn't find that to be the case in speaking to my friend, but he's been in the military for over a decade so perhaps his experience alone has given him better than average insight.
One thing I'll say is that anyone with real insight won't be talking about it. A decade in as a pilot puts him at captain level, possibly a major. It's not that fancy tbh. He likely knows his job well and I'd certainly trust him to fly me anywhere, we all pretty much get the same general terrorism briefings. Except the Intel guys. But even they just know their piece of the puzzle for the most part. I have a friend (lol) who's an Intel officer and he and I have talked national security and politics only in a very general sense. He would never talk specific theories about anything, not even to discount them. He'd just make a joke/change the subject.
As a total humorous aside because this reminded me, my brother when he was first starting his career as a Special Forces counter-terrorism intel dude, he would go away on all of these far-flung missions, but, of course, my parents wouldn't know where he was or how long he would be there. It wasn't until a few years later, we would be having conversations at the house over leave and he would nonchalantly say something about the pyramids looking bigger in real life than in the show we were watching on the tv, or something and we would say, Wha? You've been to Egypt?? (Side note: we were from super small town America and never traveled except to Santa Claus, Indiana. Ha). He would just laugh and keep talking about whatever he was talking. Even now that he's a private contractor still operating in intel, he's pretty tight-lipped, but to be fair he's tight-lipped about everything and always has been.
One thing I'll say is that anyone with real insight won't be talking about it. A decade in as a pilot puts him at captain level, possibly a major. It's not that fancy tbh. He likely knows his job well and I'd certainly trust him to fly me anywhere, we all pretty much get the same general terrorism briefings. Except the Intel guys. But even they just know their piece of the puzzle for the most part. I have a friend (lol) who's an Intel officer and he and I have talked national security and politics only in a very general sense. He would never talk specific theories about anything, not even to discount them. He'd just make a joke/change the subject.
As a total humorous aside because this reminded me, my brother when he was first starting his career as a Special Forces counter-terrorism intel dude, he would go away on all of these far-flung missions, but, of course, my parents wouldn't know where he was or how long he would be there. It wasn't until a few years later, we would be having conversations at the house over leave and he would nonchalantly say something about the pyramids looking bigger in real life than in the show we were watching on the tv, or something and we would say, Wha? You've been to Egypt?? (Side note: we were from super small town America and never traveled except to Santa Claus, Indiana. Ha). He would just laugh and keep talking about whatever he was talking. Even now that he's a private contractor still operating in intel, he's pretty tight-lipped, but to be fair he's tight-lipped about everything and always has been.
Extra side note if you went to Holiday World growing up you lived near me.
As a total humorous aside because this reminded me, my brother when he was first starting his career as a Special Forces counter-terrorism intel dude, he would go away on all of these far-flung missions, but, of course, my parents wouldn't know where he was or how long he would be there. It wasn't until a few years later, we would be having conversations at the house over leave and he would nonchalantly say something about the pyramids looking bigger in real life than in the show we were watching on the tv, or something and we would say, Wha? You've been to Egypt?? (Side note: we were from super small town America and never traveled except to Santa Claus, Indiana. Ha). He would just laugh and keep talking about whatever he was talking. Even now that he's a private contractor still operating in intel, he's pretty tight-lipped, but to be fair he's tight-lipped about everything and always has been.
Extra side note if you went to Holiday World growing up you lived near me.
A few hours away, that's why it was such a big trip!
Post by killercupcake on Dec 28, 2014 15:35:37 GMT -5
So, my BIL is a flight attendant and is friends with lots of pilots.
None of the pilots he knows believe the planes are being stockpiled. More likely mechanical failure. IF they were to believe anything, it would be that the pilot committed suicide, but that's the most far fetched idea they followed.
I work at a university that trains pilots, air traffic controllers, safety analysts, engineers etc. a lot of them current or former military. from everyone I've talked to, it is their belief that these planes are sitting at the bottom of the ocean somewhere.
I'm sitting 3 feet from a pilot, he thinks they are on the bottom of the ocean. He also talks back to the TV when an "expert" comes on with little knowledge of the actual aircraft involved in accidents.
I hope they find the wreckage this time. If not, I'm going with the hand of God snatched them out of the air.