As if I needed another reason to love HRC - vaccination rela

[nomad100]

Hillary Clinton on vaccinations: 'The science is clear'

news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-vaccination-science-is-clear-132305680.html

Hillary Clinton weighed in on the national debate over children's vaccinations amid a measles outbreak that has sickened more than 100 people in the United States, posting a message on her Twitter feed late Monday.

"The science is clear," Clinton tweeted. "The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let's protect all our kids. #GrandmothersKnowBest."

The former secretary of state and possible 2016 Democratic presidential candidate distanced herself from potential Republican hopefuls, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

Earlier Monday, Paul told CNBC that parents "should have some input" whether or not to vaccinate their children, saying it is "an issue of freedom."

"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," he said.

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Speaking in England, Christie said parents should have a "measure of choice" whether to vaccinate their children. The New Jersey governor's office quickly clarified his statements, saying "with a disease like measles there is no question kids should be vaccinated."

President Barack Obama waded into the debate Monday, too, saying parents have “every reason” to vaccinate their children against measles.

“You should get your kids vaccinated,” Obama told Savannah Guthrie during an interview broadcast on NBC’s “Today” show Monday. “It’s good for them.”

Obama echoed the message from American health professionals urging parents not to listen to anti-vaccination activists who have convinced some parents not to inoculate their children by claiming the vaccines can cause autism.

“I understand that there are families that in some cases are concerned about the effect of vaccinations,” Obama said. “The science is, you know, pretty indisputable. We’ve looked at this again and again. There is every reason to get vaccinated, but there aren’t reasons to not.”

Measles was once common in the United States but declined significantly because of higher vaccination rates. By 2000, the highly contagious disease had been declared officially eradicated from the United States.

“We should be able to get back to the point where measles effectively is not existing in this country,” the president said.

On Tuesday, House Speaker John Boehner was asked if Congress should have a role in the debate.

"I don't know that we need another law," Boehner said, "but I do believe that all children ought to be vaccinated."

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the current measles outbreak, which began in California, has sickened more than 100 people in 14 states.

Of the 34 people for whom the California Department of Public Health had vaccination records, only 5 had received both doses of the measles vaccine, ABC News reported.

"This is not a problem with the measles vaccine not working," Dr. Anne Schuchat, director at the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said last week. "This is a problem of the measles vaccine not being used."

[wawa]

I think Boehner gave the answer that perhaps Christie meant to give if I'm being charitable. Do we need to legally mandate that children be vaccinated - no. I'm honestly not comfortable with mandating much of anything medical, so I'm ok with that answer.

Should all kids be vaccinated? YES.

[badgergrl]

Maybe mandating vaccines isn't necessary but I think we could put much more stringent requirements-

1. If you want to attend public school or day cares that accept state aid you must have vaccines. If you are medically unable you must get 2 MDs (none of this chiropractor shit) to sign off on a medical exemption. This should include colleges

2. start criminally charging parents for the death of children who die /get very ill from preventable diseases similar to the parents who were charged when their daughter died of diabetes in Wisconsin. It really is foreseeable that your kid might get measles if you refuse the vaccine. Why not hold parents accountable ?

[sharknado]

Feb 3, 2015 14:45:37 GMT -5 badgergrl said:

Maybe mandating vaccines isn't necessary but I think we could put much more stringent requirements-

1. If you want to attend public school or day cares that accept state aid you must have vaccines. If you are medically unable you must get 2 MDs (none of this chiropractor shit) to sign off on a medical exemption. This should include colleges

2. start criminally charging parents for the death of children who die /get very ill from preventable diseases similar to the parents who were charged when their daughter died of diabetes in Wisconsin. It really is foreseeable that your kid might get measles if you refuse the vaccine. Why not hold parents accountable ?

Number 2 is unreasonable, I know many people who have been vaccinated and do not develop immunity.

[badgergrl]

Feb 3, 2015 17:14:40 GMT -5 sharknado said:

Feb 3, 2015 14:45:37 GMT -5 badgergrl said:

Maybe mandating vaccines isn't necessary but I think we could put much more stringent requirements-

1. If you want to attend public school or day cares that accept state aid you must have vaccines. If you are medically unable you must get 2 MDs (none of this chiropractor shit) to sign off on a medical exemption. This should include colleges

2. start criminally charging parents for the death of children who die /get very ill from preventable diseases similar to the parents who were charged when their daughter died of diabetes in Wisconsin. It really is foreseeable that your kid might get measles if you refuse the vaccine. Why not hold parents accountable ?

Number 2 is unreasonable, I know many people who have been vaccinated and do not develop immunity.

Medical records would be able to show if parents refuse vaccinations which are discoverable in criminal actions.

Eta I know this is a bit of a fantasy as it would probably be unworkable. But I think a zealous prosecutor or two would maybe help slow this crazy trend down. Either that or the return of polio which I am afraid is coming.

[msmerymac]

I'm trying to determine if there would be some medical procedure similar to vaccination with which I might disagree if the government forced me to do it to decide if I disagree with government mandated vaccination. I mean, constitutionally, it's probably a moot point. I know about 15 years ago there was some controversy over the anthrax vaccine that was being required in the military.

But even people who argue that non-vaxxed kids should be homeschooled... you realize homeschoolers still go out in public, right? I know someone who doesn't vax and her kids go to museums, the zoo, restaurants, Target. They don't live off the grid and miles away from anyone else.

[msmerymac]

Holy shit, have I been vaccinated against polio? Is it something everyone gets or did they stop it, like smallpox?

I'm looking at my vaccine record. WTF is OPV/IPV? Oral polio? If so, I was vaxxed 4 times. Also, I was only vaxxed for HIB once, is that enough?

Damn, I should have had my titers checked last week when I was at the doctor. My PCP LOVES vaccines.

[lahoagie]

Feb 3, 2015 17:30:00 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Holy shit, have I been vaccinated against polio? Is it something everyone gets or did they stop it, like smallpox?

I'm looking at my vaccine record. WTF is OPV/IPV? Oral polio? If so, I was vaxxed 4 times. Also, I was only vaxxed for HIB once, is that enough?

Damn, I should have had my titers checked last week when I was at the doctor. My PCP LOVES vaccines.

You were probably vaccinated against polio. You should get a polio booster shot.

[teflepi]

I am glad she came around from 2008. Thank the lord for science!

[thecatinthehat]

Feb 3, 2015 17:14:40 GMT -5 sharknado said:

Feb 3, 2015 14:45:37 GMT -5 badgergrl said:

Maybe mandating vaccines isn't necessary but I think we could put much more stringent requirements-

1. If you want to attend public school or day cares that accept state aid you must have vaccines. If you are medically unable you must get 2 MDs (none of this chiropractor shit) to sign off on a medical exemption. This should include colleges

2. start criminally charging parents for the death of children who die /get very ill from preventable diseases similar to the parents who were charged when their daughter died of diabetes in Wisconsin. It really is foreseeable that your kid might get measles if you refuse the vaccine. Why not hold parents accountable ?

Number 2 is unreasonable, I know many people who have been vaccinated and do not develop immunity.

I agree this can be complicated. But if it was their own child that dies and it is clear in their medical records that they refused. I guess. But then this may make these idiots not
go to the doctor at all for this reason and the poor kid suffers. I don't know how this can work effectively.

[origami]

Oh good. We've come a long way from 2008. Remember when Clinton, Obama and McCain were all on the "vaccines may cause autism" train?

[ttt]

Feb 3, 2015 17:30:00 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Holy shit, have I been vaccinated against polio? Is it something everyone gets or did they stop it, like smallpox?

I'm looking at my vaccine record. WTF is OPV/IPV? Oral polio? If so, I was vaxxed 4 times. Also, I was only vaxxed for HIB once, is that enough?

Damn, I should have had my titers checked last week when I was at the doctor. My PCP LOVES vaccines.

OPV/ipv is polio. You are fine. You might want to get a HiB booster but I'm not sure if adults even get HiB.

ETA you don't need HiB unless you have a special medical condition www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_hib.asp

[teflepi]

Feb 3, 2015 19:59:27 GMT -5 mockingbird said:

Am I the only one that was turned off by the "grandmothersknowbest?

I love love loved the entire message. But that one line, just yuck. She's making a strong statement, if felt weakened by bringing her grandmother status into it.

And if she's just referring to grandmothers in general having lived through it, it still just felt like id'ing her as a matriarch, not a political power house.

Maybe I'm just weird?

No, it was annoying when Nancy Pelosi rode that train, too.  As if they need that to be smart er sumthin?

[badgergrl]

This is the case I was referencing

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Neumann_case