You really think a basic PreK should be able to be one on one with a kid? This kind of blows my mind.
That's not what I said, but what else is new with you.
I said pre-k's should be able to facilitate learning for all of the students. If they can't he is at the wrong pre-k.
So what did you say? They said he needs to be one on one for a field trip. You said they should facilitate that for him. Did I miss something? I agree this is obviously the wrong preschool for him.
As the mom of 2 disabled children, I am going to chime in. Speech therapists, eli people and even your pedi ARE NOT qualified to make any diagnoses. I would recommend having him sen by a developmetal pedi. They don't JUST diagnose autism. They can help see anxiety issues, communication issues, processing issues, sensory issues, intellectual issues of GIFTED AND DISABILITY, they can recommend therapies or behavior plans you may never have heard of.
If yours sons difficulties are sever enough to impose on his daily life, which missing out on a field trip because the teacher can't handle it is, then he needs an evaluation. What if it's a simple issue that could be treated, but you haven't had e right people looking? Then in a few years it gets significantly worse and you get a diagnosis. Wouldn't you rather have had those few years of working on it? and if in the end it's just a speech issue he out grows will he be worse for the wear of having had an evaluation and maybe some extra therapy?
Nobody is diagnosing your son. But we all hear you when you post and are encouraging you to seek a second opinion.
Yes all this. While it's great you've had people take a look it's people who are looking through the narrow lens of your kid as a student. They have no concerns of a kid who is accessing the curriculum (which isn't much at three). There are many kids that could benefit from support but are missed.
And yeah I have a kid who is the bright SSS...and she needs help just as much if not more than her counterparts who struggle academically.
Knowing Joey personally, I think he is very bright. Like too smart for his own good. Sure he could work on his sharing. Hell, the first thing he did last time was to take DDs care bears and throw them down the stairs LOL.
About the speech thing.. After the first few times meeting him, I really have no problem understanding what he says. Maybe it's a problem for other kids, but the teachers are playing dumb if they are saying they don't understand him this late in the year.
I don't know what the answer is here, but emphasizing more time with other kids... One of those catch-22s. I would oblige with this field trip thing and either send DH with M or keep him home that day.
Knowing Joey personally, I think he is very bright. Like too smart for his own good. Sure he could work on his sharing. Hell, the first thing he did last time was to take DDs care bears and throw them down the stairs LOL.
About the speech thing.. After the first few times meeting him, I really have no problem understanding what he says. Maybe it's a problem for other kids, but the teachers are playing dumb if they are saying they don't understand him this late in the year.
I don't know what the answer is here, but emphasizing more time with other kids... One of those catch-22s. I would oblige with this field trip thing and either send DH with M or keep him home that day.
I don't think a single person here is saying that Joey is unintelligent or has an intellectual disability. And nobody mentioned sharing either.
What people ARE saying, people with experience either with their own children, or as a career or both, is that the types of behaviors that Kimbus has said that Joey exhibits, coupled with the fact that the teachers are concerned enough about safety that they are nervous to take him on a 2 block field trip and the fact that his own father doesn't think he can handle him in public are all together concerning enough that an evaluation and visit to a dev pedi is warranted.
Knowing Joey personally, I think he is very bright. Like too smart for his own good. Sure he could work on his sharing. Hell, the first thing he did last time was to take DDs care bears and throw them down the stairs LOL.
About the speech thing.. After the first few times meeting him, I really have no problem understanding what he says. Maybe it's a problem for other kids, but the teachers are playing dumb if they are saying they don't understand him this late in the year.
I don't know what the answer is here, but emphasizing more time with other kids... One of those catch-22s. I would oblige with this field trip thing and either send DH with M or keep him home that day.
I don't think a single person here is saying that Joey is unintelligent or has an intellectual disability. And nobody mentioned sharing either.
What people ARE saying, people with experience either with their own children, or as a career or both, is that the types of behaviors that Kimbus has said that Joey exhibits, coupled with the fact that the teachers are concerned enough about safety that they are nervous to take him on a 2 block field trip and the fact that his own father doesn't think he can handle him in public are all together concerning enough that an evaluation and visit to a dev pedi is warranted.
Gotcha. I only mentioned sharing because I thought that was where he was having difficulty based on past posts. I know it doesn't pertain to this trip. I can't really comment on the eval stuff since I have no experience with it and my kid is only 2. But yeah, I get that this more emotional than social.
You know, I really didn't expect this to blow up. Can we just stop now?
He has an IEP. He's been evaluated multiple times by multiple people. He does not have trouble transitioning at home, only in large groups with school. They do not have trouble dealing with him at school on a daily basis. He cries about something, they take a minute with him and ask him to get control and he does. We had one bad field trip and two bad pick ups, all because he doesn't want to leave, he wants to stay with his friends. The teachers work with me and with the psychologist/speech pathologist and we are seeing a lot of progress.
It is literally one teacher worried about not having enough parents when they're walking by the road. She apparently did ask the parents of the other 2 boys who have tantrums to go too.
I'll just stop talking about him here because it just makes me feel like shit. I don't like other people getting attacked about their parenting because I asked a stupid question about preschool.
Bottom line is I'm going to take the opinion of professionals who have actually met and worked with him over the opinion of people on the internet who only hear what I'm talking about when I'm frustrated. If you think that makes me crazy or in denial, so be it. I can't change your mind. But let's let this go now because I really don't want to see other people getting dragged into my issue.
If it really is just a matter of an overreacting teacher, I would keep that in mind going forward, but I would consider whether he is having that teacher again next year and how that might effect his perception of school.
Kimbus - threads often don't go the way we expect them do they, - pouch gate?!
Seriously, though, if it really just this particular teacher, why would you not address it with her and the director? Will Joey have this teacher next year, too?
Post by Kcthepouchh8r on Mar 13, 2015 14:33:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry that you feel attacked. Not my intention at all.
Of course it goes without saying that the opinions of his team are more valuable than the opinions on here. I'll just end my peace by saying a kid who has developmental delay (s) significant enough to qualify for an Iep should have a developmental pediatrician on their team regardless of the opinions of the therapists treating/gut feelings/whatever we think.
It's a 6-12 month wait for a good developmental pedi. At best you're right, he's completely caught up by kindergarten and loses his Iep. You cancel the appointment. At worst his progress stalls and you have a plan entering kindergarten to help him be successful in the classroom written by someone more qualified than anyone in your local school district (whose goal is to try to sweet talk you into giving your kid the least possible services because $).
I'm sorry that you feel attacked. Not my intention at all.
Of course it goes without saying that the opinions of his team are more valuable than the opinions on here. I'll just end my peace by saying a kid who has developmental delay (s) significant enough to qualify for an Iep should have a developmental pediatrician on their team regardless of the opinions of the therapists treating/gut feelings/whatever we think.
It's a 6-12 month wait for a good developmental pedi. At best you're right, he's completely caught up by kindergarten and loses his Iep. You cancel the appointment. At worst his progress stalls and you have a plan entering kindergarten to help him be successful in the classroom written by someone more qualified than anyone in your local school district (whose goal is to try to sweet talk you into giving your kid the least possible services because $).
This! I am sorry you feel attacked. As a parent I would rather look back and laugh and myself for over reacting than look back a years wasted because I didn't take my kid to a professional for an eval. Developmental peds should be a part of any parents team of a kid with a severe speech delay.
Post by expectantsteelerfan on Mar 13, 2015 19:27:54 GMT -5
I'm late to this, but I'm surprised no one else was put off by the idea of field trips at the preschool level. Maybe it's a regional thing, but ds's old school in VA and dd's school in PA only do field trips where every student has a parent/guardian present (and the school does not provide transportation). I honestly don't know how I'd feel about teachers taking the class off the premises.
I have no interest in weighing in on the larger issues here, but thought it might be helpful to point out that maybe the field trip itself is at fault?
I'm late to this, but I'm surprised no one else was put off by the idea of field trips at the preschool level. Maybe it's a regional thing, but ds's old school in VA and dd's school in PA only do field trips where every student has a parent/guardian present (and the school does not provide transportation). I honestly don't know how I'd feel about teachers taking the class off the premises.
I have no interest in weighing in on the larger issues here, but thought it might be helpful to point out that maybe the field trip itself is at fault?
I actually thought that, too. Our preschool does things like bringing a fire truck, a dentist, and a petting zoo to the school. No field trips though. I'm perfectly happy with that arrangement. The logistics sound like a nightmare to me!
My my earlier comments were not directed at anyone in particular. I'm sorry people got hurt and left. My comments were about special needs in general and not being afraid of what that may mean.
Post by amynumbers on Mar 13, 2015 19:59:04 GMT -5
I though about the field trip aspect too. Our preschool doesn't start "real" trips until the 4s class, so I am not sure of the restrictions. But the 3s do go on walks in the neighborhood to collect leaves and things like that. I would not be surprised if they would visit a fire house at that age if it was right across the street. I think that stuff is more common with younger kids in more walkable areas.
I think it's about walk ability. I was thinking the opposite, I wish our school was close enough for them to do a trip like this. I think it's totally normal & acceptable.
We have 2 trips, the parent is responsible for transportation and they stay for one but the other is drop off.