The "authorities"

[ashb62]

Yep. I've done the trash bag thing too. I love your narration, though!

[rosesandpetals]

If you want real parenting stories... I let DD watch the tv in crazy 8 while I was shopping. She needed clothes and I can't get stuff while she's pulling things off the rack. But yeah, definitely more than 10 feet from her.

[dizzycooks]

We lost our beloved sparkle shoes over here this morning because she kicked them off in the car for the 200th time this week. Boom, gone, bummer shoes. Now she's stuck with her green tennis shoes and not happy. I'm not sure when I'll give the sparkle shoes back. Oh and magna tiles were taken away for throwing them followed by refusing to listen. She saw both at church tonight and commented about how hers are in timeout. Yes they are. Too bad next time you'll listen.

[quesyrah]

Apr 4, 2015 11:06:45 GMT -5 rosesandpetals said:

If you want real parenting stories... I let DD watch the tv in crazy 8 while I was shopping. She needed clothes and I can't get stuff while she's pulling things off the rack. But yeah, definitely more than 10 feet from her.

Wait, this is bad? That's the whole
Point of the tv in Gymbo and Crazy 8!

[andrewsgal]

Apr 5, 2015 12:25:26 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 3, 2015 19:37:15 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

While I think this particular woman was insane, it varies by state. I am required to report any suspected abuse or neglect I see anywhere, whether or not at my job. 

Lol. I'm also a mandated reporter, and no, I am not required to report every questionable thing I see out in the world. How could you even report someone when you don't know their name? So, if you see something questionable in a Target you're going to call the police? CPS? I don't mean something blatant, but something subtle, like OP posted. What a waste of resources. I hate when this mandated reporter stuff comes up here. It's like a power trip. There's no badge, no cape.

She specifically said report neglect or abuse. She never said "something questionable"

[andrewsgal]

Don't worry about it. Every single one of my friends works in a capacity of being a mandated reporter including two SW. It's not like some super special club. She sounds like a bitch on a power trip.

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 12:25:26 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 3, 2015 19:37:15 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

While I think this particular woman was insane, it varies by state. I am required to report any suspected abuse or neglect I see anywhere, whether or not at my job. 

Lol. I'm also a mandated reporter, and no, I am not required to report every questionable thing I see out in the world. How could you even report someone when you don't know their name? So, if you see something questionable in a Target you're going to call the police? CPS? I don't mean something blatant, but something subtle, like OP posted. What a waste of resources. I hate when this mandated reporter stuff comes up here. It's like a power trip. There's no badge, no cape.

Well, obviously, i'm not required to report an unknown at Target ffs, but I'm required to report neighbors and family members, etc. Even though I see the "abuse" outside of my professional responsibilities. My apologies for assuming that people would understand that. 

[rosesandpetals]

Apr 5, 2015 14:05:53 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 13:50:25 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

Well, obviously, i'm not required to report an unknown at Target ffs, but I'm required to report neighbors and family members, etc. Even though I see the "abuse" outside of my professional responsibilities. My apologies for assuming that people would understand that. 

Yeah, re-read your post. Go on with your bad ass!!

Except she was talking to a board of people who know her and know she isn't nuts. I wasn't confused at all (also a mandated reporter).

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 17:12:46 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 17:06:15 GMT -5 rosesandpetals said:

Except she was talking to a board of people who know her and know she isn't nuts. I wasn't confused at all (also a mandated reporter).

She responded to someone speaking the truth about mandated reporters and stated she has to report anything she sees at anytime.

No, I said suspected abuse or neglect. I can honestly say, I have never been at Target and seen suspected abuse or neglect. Had I seen the OP at Target attempting to cajole her daughter into the car like this, I would not see it as suspected abuse or neglect. 

Though I wasn't even responding to the OP, I was responding to the post that said mandated reporters are only required to report abuse at their job. Which isn't always true becuase it varies by state. 

[andrewsgal]

Apr 5, 2015 17:12:46 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 17:06:15 GMT -5 rosesandpetals said:

Except she was talking to a board of people who know her and know she isn't nuts. I wasn't confused at all (also a mandated reporter).

She responded to someone speaking the truth about mandated reporters and stated she has to report anything she sees at anytime.

Reading fail. She said anytime she sees abuse and neglect which is true.

[andrewsgal]

Apr 5, 2015 17:46:04 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 17:35:25 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

No, I said suspected abuse or neglect. I can honestly say, I have never been at Target and seen suspected abuse or neglect. Had I seen the OP at Target attempting to cajole her daughter into the car like this, I would not see it as suspected abuse or neglect. 

Though I wasn't even responding to the OP, I was responding to the post that said mandated reporters are only required to report abuse at their job. Which isn't always true becuase it varies by state. 

How about you show me these laws?

Found this

www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=1&view=Professionals%20Required%20to%20Report

It actually doesn't say anywhere that you are only to report those in your care. Unless I missed it? Honestly I have only reported a handful of times and all have been a child I was professionally responsible for.

[andrewsgal]

Apr 5, 2015 18:23:44 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 18:14:57 GMT -5 andrewsgal said:

Found this

www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=1&view=Professionals%20Required%20to%20Report

It actually doesn't say anywhere that you are only to report those in your care. Unless I missed it? Honestly I have only reported a handful of times and all have been a child I was professionally responsible for.

This is what generally happens. Most of my reports have actually been adults, with a few children her and there. My point is, as a mandated reported, I am under no legal obligation to report things I see in the world at large. I will/should as a human being, but I hate when people throw around mandated reporter, as if it holds any weight in the real world. We JUST had this conversation last week on ML. If I have good reason to believe my neighbors is abusing their child, or elderly parent, of course I will report it. Do I have to legally? No. At work it's a different story.

I imagine someone whipping out a mandate reporter badge at the Target. lol

I agree with you but I am actually curious if we are mandated out of work like I said I didn't see it in that article. I hate the term to because it's really about just protecting other people when needed.

[rosesandpetals]

Apr 5, 2015 18:23:44 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 18:14:57 GMT -5 andrewsgal said:

Found this

www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=1&view=Professionals%20Required%20to%20Report

It actually doesn't say anywhere that you are only to report those in your care. Unless I missed it? Honestly I have only reported a handful of times and all have been a child I was professionally responsible for.

This is what generally happens. Most of my reports have actually been adults, with a few children her and there. My point is, as a mandated reported, I am under no legal obligation to report things I see in the world at large. I will/should as a human being, but I hate when people throw around mandated reporter, as if it holds any weight in the real world. We JUST had this conversation last week on ML. If I have good reason to believe my neighbors are abusing their child, or elderly parent, of course I will report it. Do I have to legally? No. At work it's a different story.

I imagine someone whipping out a mandate reporter badge at the Target. lol

In my state, you absolutely do have to report suspected abuse or neglect outside of work. Seeing one incident of questionable parentiby doesnt constitute suspected abuse. But if I have real reason to suspect, I have to report it. Maybe it isn't that way in your state but it is here. for example, I volunteer at the Ronald McDonald house. If I saw a child there regularly who I suspected was being abused for real reasons (not the op situation), I wouI'd have to report it as a mandated reporter. It has never come up outside of work, though, but it is still the law.

[rosesandpetals]

Apr 5, 2015 19:00:11 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 18:51:39 GMT -5 rosesandpetals said:

In my state, you absolutely do have to report suspected abuse or neglect outside of work. Seeing one incident of questionable parentiby doesnt constitute suspected abuse. But if I have real reason to suspect, I have to report it. Maybe it isn't that way in your state but it is here. for example, I volunteer at the Ronald McDonald house. If I saw a child there regularly who I suspected was being abused for real reasons (not the op situation), I wouI'd have to report it as a mandated reporter. It has never come up outside of work, though, but it is still the law.

Volunteering is not the world at large, especially at Ronald McDonald house with an at risk population. 

That was just an example. It wouldn't matter where I volunteered or if it were a neighborhood kid. If I see them regularly and therefore have a legitimate reason to suspect abuse, I have to report. Again, seeing a stranger in target one time is not a legitimate reason.

[andrewsgal]

Apr 5, 2015 18:29:28 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 18:25:45 GMT -5 andrewsgal said:

I agree with you but I am actually curious if we are mandated out of work like I said I didn't see it in that article. I hate the term to because it's really about just protecting other people when needed.

I have never been told I was? I'm a social worker. I cannot imagine how that could be legally enforced, outside of work. If i really saw something bad in public, or something regarding a neighbor, I'd call the police and let them take it from there. 

Interesting I was just about to ask a social worker thinking they might have more information than me but I see you are one. This is so dumb and wouldn't change anything but now I feel I need to know.

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 18:29:28 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 18:25:45 GMT -5 andrewsgal said:

I agree with you but I am actually curious if we are mandated out of work like I said I didn't see it in that article. I hate the term to because it's really about just protecting other people when needed.

I have never been told I was? I'm a social worker. I cannot imagine how that could be legally enforced, outside of work. If i really saw something bad in public, or something regarding a neighbor, I'd call the police and let them take it from there. 

It's dependent upon each individual state's statutes. And I did say I thought the lady at Target was nuts, and did not need to report in that instance. I was merely saying that each state sets it's own guidelines for mandatory reporters of both children and vulnerable adults.

This is the statute language in my state, I got this off of the revisor's website, so it is legit.

"In addition, it is the policy of this state to require the reporting of neglect, physical or sexual abuse of children in the home, school, and community settings."

To me, community settings means if I have a reasonable suspicion of a neighbor abusing their kid, I have to report. Not "every questionable thing" but a reasonable suspicion. 

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 19:45:23 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 19:41:57 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

It's dependent upon each individual state's statutes. And I did say I thought the lady at Target was nuts, and did not need to report in that instance. I was merely saying that each state sets it's own guidelines for mandatory reporters of both children and vulnerable adults.

This is the statute language in my state, I got this off of the revisor's website, so it is legit.

"In addition, it is the policy of this state to require the reporting of neglect, physical or sexual abuse of children in the home, school, and community settings."

To me, community settings means if I have a reasonable suspicion of a neighbor abusing their kid, I have to report. Not "every questionable thing" but a reasonable suspicion. 

But nothing happens to you if you don't, it's not a law, therefore not illegal. You would not face legal action. If you didn't report professionally, you could. I feel I'm just as responsible as the next person in a community setting.

A statute is a law. Violating it is a misdemeanor, and I could face legal action. Would I? Unlikely, but it IS a law. 

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 20:01:19 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 19:52:17 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

A statute is a law. Violating it is a misdemeanor, and I could face legal action. Would I? Unlikely, but it IS a law. 

I think that may mean if you work in a community setting, which many social service jobs are community based. When I say community I mean my personal community/life. Failing to 'mandate report' things in my neighborhood or the world at large are not listed as offenses by the social work board, which is what I follow. There is really nothing more I can say here. I highly doubt any 'mandated reporter' has gotten in trouble outside of his/her job duties.

This statute pertains specifically to teachers and administrators in a school setting. There are separate statutes for social workers as well as people working with vulnerable adults in my state.   

But I agree. I think it's highly unlikely anyone would be able to prove a teacher failed a neighborhood kid in their "reporting duty" My original point was merely that it varies by state. And Target girl is nuts. 

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 20:13:30 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 20:06:12 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

This statute pertains specifically to teachers and administrators in a school setting. There are separate statutes for social workers as well as people working with vulnerable adults in my state.   

But I agree. I think it's highly unlikely anyone would be able to prove a teacher failed a neighborhood kid in their "reporting duty" My original point was merely that it varies by state. And Target girl is nuts. 

I agree with your second paragraph completely, but as to the first, social workers DO work in schools. We aren't held to different statutes.

I feel like we are going to go round and round about this, so I'll stop after this, but social workers in schools (in my state anyway) have to have a school social worker license "related services license", and they are covered under the teacher/administrator statute as well when they are in the schools. As are counselors, media specialists, etc. The social workers I worked with in CPS were under a different statute. I imagine that it too varies by state.

[rosesandpetals]

Apr 5, 2015 19:45:23 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 19:41:57 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

It's dependent upon each individual state's statutes. And I did say I thought the lady at Target was nuts, and did not need to report in that instance. I was merely saying that each state sets it's own guidelines for mandatory reporters of both children and vulnerable adults.

This is the statute language in my state, I got this off of the revisor's website, so it is legit.

"In addition, it is the policy of this state to require the reporting of neglect, physical or sexual abuse of children in the home, school, and community settings."

To me, community settings means if I have a reasonable suspicion of a neighbor abusing their kid, I have to report. Not "every questionable thing" but a reasonable suspicion. 

But nothing happens to you if you don't, it's not a law, therefore not illegal. You would not face legal action. If you didn't report professionally, you could. I feel I'm just as responsible as the next person in a community setting.

If you are found to have not reported it, you are liable to pay damages to the child who was being abused (Ohio law 2151.421 section m). You can also lose your license because it is a violation of your responsibilities. I don't have time to look it up right now but there are cases where this has happened. But Ohio also has a reputation for setting teachers up for failure by making unclear and unfair laws and enforcement Willy nilly like making them mandated reporters then claiming student confessions aren't evidence and letting parents sue the school district for making unfounded claims. So there's that.

None of this applies to target, though.

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 20:39:32 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 20:36:01 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

I feel like we are going to go round and round about this, so I'll stop after this, but social workers in schools (in my state anyway) have to have a school social worker license "related services license", and they are covered under the teacher/administrator statute as well when they are in the schools. As are counselors, media specialists, etc. The social workers I worked with in CPS were under a different statute. I imagine that it too varies by state.

Are these mandated reporter statutes? I feel like a mandated reporter is a mandated reporter.

Yep! We have several different statutes. (I live with a lawyer, so I even have an app on my phone for statutes because he downloaded it)

Either way, I apologize for my snippy reply, I've come down from my "who-the-hell-is-this" reply attitude to a "Huh-I-like-her-discussion-style" attitude. 

[rosesandpetals]

I'm also not being combatitive, but I remember this being a big deal because of an incident that happened with a senior in my program when I was in undergrad.

[auroraloo]

Apr 5, 2015 20:46:26 GMT -5 mofongo said:

Apr 5, 2015 20:42:57 GMT -5 auroraloo said:

Yep! We have several different statutes. (I live with a lawyer, so I even have an app on my phone for statutes because he downloaded it)

Either way, I apologize for my snippy reply, I've come down from my "who-the-hell-is-this" reply attitude to a "Huh-I-like-her-discussion-style" attitude. 

No, I was snippy too:) I'm sorry as well! Happy Easter:))

Happy ending:))

Eta: I started the tone, not you:)

Cheers!

I don't get snippy often 'round these parts, it was kind of cathartive after an Easter with the ILs. 

[vlagrl]

F her! You didn't do anything wrong. I've done that in the past and it has always worked especially when DD would run away from me at stores - no way was I chasing her down. I would tell her I was going to leave and she ran towards me every time.