OPINION: Dear GOP: Hillary Clinton is trolling you

[zelda25]

I couldn't go any further than this: 

Conservatives, alarmed by the prospect of voter fraud, have passed many state-level laws tightening up voting laws.

C'mon, now--no one really believes that voter fraud is the real issue. This writer is either incredibly naive or thinks we're incredibly stupid.

[zoegirltx]

She doens't even have to troll them...they are pretty much doing it to themselves tehse days.

[ttt]

Jun 8, 2015 11:13:19 GMT -5 rvan0905 said:

I feel really stupid, but what is a "HENRY"?

I was wondering this too. I'm like High E...what? 

[Velar Fricative]

Jun 8, 2015 11:13:19 GMT -5 rvan0905 said:

I feel really stupid, but what is a "HENRY"?

Well then I feel stupid right along with you. I googled and it's "High earner, not rich yet." OMG that is so stupid.

[smock]

Jun 8, 2015 11:22:19 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jun 8, 2015 11:13:19 GMT -5 rvan0905 said:

I feel really stupid, but what is a "HENRY"?

Well then I feel stupid right along with you. I googled and it's "High earner, not rich yet." OMG that is so stupid.

That's silly; we just call that "middle class" on GBCN. 

[hocus2]

Jun 8, 2015 11:13:19 GMT -5 rvan0905 said:

I feel really stupid, but what is a "HENRY"?

  I think it is this:  "High Earner, Not Rich Yet"

[secretlyevil]

Writing fail - use of acronym with no explanation. Also, this author is just confusing me.

[ESF]

I actually think the writer is correct. HRC got up last week and said she wanted universal automatic voter registration. That's really quite bold. Her immigration speech was also extremely progressive. She's baiting the GOP candidates into saying crazy things, while trying not to let Bernie Sanders siphon off too many potential supporters.

We could actually get a much more progressive campaign out of her than we ever thought.

[smock]

I am curious to see how the GOP candidates respond to HRC's proposal. Is there a reasonable argument to be made against automatically registering voters?

[Velar Fricative]

Jun 8, 2015 14:59:33 GMT -5 smock said:

I am curious to see how the GOP candidates respond to HRC's proposal. Is there a reasonable argument to be made against automatically registering voters?

My first thought is logistics, and whether maintaining such a database with moving, name changes, etc. would be concerning from a privacy standpoint. As in, more concerning than what the government may already be doing, etc.

Overall though, I love the idea. I'd just want to make sure it is realistic.

[jln]

I get wanting to automatically register citizens when they turn 18. But will that actually make people vote? Judging by how many registered voters still don't vote, I don't think so.

[smock]

Jun 8, 2015 15:03:40 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jun 8, 2015 14:59:33 GMT -5 smock said:

I am curious to see how the GOP candidates respond to HRC's proposal. Is there a reasonable argument to be made against automatically registering voters?

My first thought is logistics, and whether maintaining such a database with moving, name changes, etc. would be concerning from a privacy standpoint. As in, more concerning than what the government may already be doing, etc.

Overall though, I love the idea. I'd just want to make sure it is realistic.

Yeah, I could see a logistical/bureaucracy argument against it. But what about using a database that the gov't already has, like IRS records? 

[ESF]

Jun 8, 2015 14:59:33 GMT -5 smock said:

I am curious to see how the GOP candidates respond to HRC's proposal. Is there a reasonable argument to be made against automatically registering voters?

I don't entirely understand how it actually works, but administratively, it seems like a nightmare, keeping track of people moving from county to county, state to state, etc. Where people are registered is more important to the integrity of the system than whether people are registered, KWIM?  I can't imagine any sort of system that doesn't require some kind of affirmative steps from the citizens seeking to vote.

[MrsAxilla]

Jun 8, 2015 14:59:33 GMT -5 smock said:

I am curious to see how the GOP candidates respond to HRC's proposal. Is there a reasonable argument to be made against automatically registering voters?

Privacy issues come to mind.  Some people just don't want to vote or be registered.  You could do an opt-out system, though.

[Velar Fricative]

Jun 8, 2015 15:05:41 GMT -5 jln said:

I get wanting to automatically register citizens when they turn 18. But will that actually make people vote? Judging by how many registered voters still don't vote, I don't think so.

I agree with this too. I don't expect a huge deluge of voters the first year there's automatic registration. Lots of people still don't want to vote, can't vote for other reasons unrelated to registration, etc.

[katfco]

Jun 8, 2015 15:05:41 GMT -5 jln said:

I get wanting to automatically register citizens when they turn 18. But will that actually make people vote? Judging by how many registered voters still don't vote, I don't think so.

Oregon's automatic system involves mailing everyone a ballot, on the assumption that it will encourage people to vote because they won't have to go anywhere. 

[2curlydogs]

Jun 8, 2015 15:34:12 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

Same day registration on voting day would largely solve the issue of where they are living. They'd need a fast process for it, though.

WI does same day registration (for now. just watch walker fuck that up too). It literally takes 5 minutes.

[tacosforlife]

Jun 8, 2015 15:56:05 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

Jun 8, 2015 15:34:12 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

Same day registration on voting day would largely solve the issue of where they are living. They'd need a fast process for it, though.

WI does same day registration (for now. just watch walker fuck that up too). It literally takes 5 minutes.

No, he actually won't!

I mean, he tried. LOL, of course he did. He proposed ending it, but the budget analysis came back and said it was going to cost tons and tons of money to implement - new voter registration materials would have to be published, poll workers would have to be re-trained, etc. So be backed off. I hate that he proposed it, but this is probably the ONLY thing I'll give him credit for - when faced with facts showing it was a bad idea, he did not persist.

[2curlydogs]

Jun 8, 2015 16:09:43 GMT -5 tacosforlife said:

Jun 8, 2015 15:56:05 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

WI does same day registration (for now. just watch walker fuck that up too). It literally takes 5 minutes.

No, he actually won't!

I mean, he tried. LOL, of course he did. He proposed ending it, but the budget analysis came back and said it was going to cost tons and tons of money to implement - new voter registration materials would have to be published, poll workers would have to be re-trained, etc. So be backed off. I hate that he proposed it, but this is probably the ONLY thing I'll give him credit for - when faced with facts showing it was a bad idea, he did not persist.

Shhh.

[elleblue]

Of course she's doing this on purpose. Getting the Republican candidates to go on record now, when they are pandering to a more extremist conservative segment of the population is pretty smart. Whoever ends up being the nominees l will likely have to backpedal their immigration stance so they appeal to more. Especially in light of the study that says the majority of Americans are not interested in mass deportation as a solution to the immigration issue.

[jln]

Jun 8, 2015 15:51:44 GMT -5 katfco said:

Jun 8, 2015 15:05:41 GMT -5 jln said:

I get wanting to automatically register citizens when they turn 18. But will that actually make people vote? Judging by how many registered voters still don't vote, I don't think so.

Oregon's automatic system involves mailing everyone a ballot, on the assumption that it will encourage people to vote because they won't have to go anywhere. 

I miss that.  It was so convenient to just drop our ballots in the mail.  I wish more states, or all the states, would do that.  

[zoegirltx]

but "RAH RAH democracy!" only for those who are registered citizens and didn't managed to get kicked off the voter rolls by the latest GOP purge. (also see pending SCOTUS case on redistricting)

[tacosforlife]

Jun 8, 2015 21:10:17 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

tangent: when i was getting my new DL photo the lady next to me was all "NO! I don't want to register to vote!" when the clerk asked. That was so weird to me.

LOL. That seems weird. Like, lady, you don't have to vote!

Trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, though - does your state allow ex-cons to vote? I suppose someone might not want to announce that she has a felony conviction, but maybe registering to vote with a conviction on your record is a crime?

[MrsAxilla]

Jun 8, 2015 21:18:58 GMT -5 @majorwife said:

I thought people don't register b.c they don't want to get called for jury duty

Is that how it works?  I figured they pulled names from driving licenses.

[RoxMonster]

I don't think they pull jury duty names from voter registration (or at least not everywhere). I got a jury summons literally two weeks after moving in to our house (addressed to my new address). I was registered to vote in the county I moved from, but had not gotten around to going to the DMV to update my license/register in my new county yet.

[aurora]

Jun 8, 2015 21:18:58 GMT -5 @majorwife said:

I thought people don't register b.c they don't want to get called for jury duty

Wait, so if I give up my right to vote I can avoid the risk of being called for a jury? New life plan!

[ESF]

Jun 8, 2015 21:28:23 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Jun 8, 2015 21:18:58 GMT -5 @majorwife said:

I thought people don't register b.c they don't want to get called for jury duty

Is that how it works?  I figured they pulled names from driving licenses.

Most states pull it from a variety of sources...drivers licenses, property tax records, voter registration, etc. That does not stop people from thinking that registering to vote is the only way to get on the jury duty lists.