Nutritionists' conference. Sponsored by McDonald's.

[BaliHai]

Jun 23, 2015 14:54:10 GMT -5 Eagles said:

I can't do any more work today.  I'm done.

[wannabe]

I'm dying at "local restaurant samplings for your pleasure" because POMONA.

@misoangry

[Deleted]

I don't want to villainize fruit, but it is true that sugar is sugar.

And, with my limited intake of sugars, I choose to eat things other than fruit because they're yummier.

[05heel]

I think the issue of corporate sponsorship is secondary to the larger issue of most nutritional research being bunk science.

[krisim]

Jun 23, 2015 14:10:19 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

Jun 23, 2015 14:07:43 GMT -5 sangria said:

My beef (heh) with fruit is just that I've never felt full after eating it. I could put down a lb of strawberries and still be starving.

I swear apples actually make me hungrier.

There is actual research that now infers that the sugar in fruit does in fact make you gain more weight than other types of sugar.  I love fruit, so this is depressing to hear. 

beckman.illinois.edu/news/2015/06/rhodes-fructose 


Published on June 01, 2015

In the last 40 years, fructose, a simple carbohydrate derived from fruit and vegetables, has been on the increase in American diets. Because of the addition of high-fructose corn syrup to many soft drinks and processed baked goods, fructose currently accounts for 10 percent of caloric intake for U.S. citizens. Male adolescents are the top fructose consumers, deriving between 15 to 23 percent of their calories from fructose--three to four times more than the maximum levels recommended by the American Heart Association.



A recent study found that, matched calorie for calorie with the simple sugar glucose, fructose causes significant weight gain, physical inactivity, and body fat deposition.



The paper, “Fructose decreases physical activity and increases body fat without affecting hippocampal neurogenesis and learning relative to an isocaloric glucose diet,” was published in Scientific Reports.



“The link between increases in sugar intake, particularly fructose, and the rising obesity epidemic has been debated for many years with no clear conclusions,” said Catarina Rendeiro, a postdoctoral research affiliate at the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology and lead author on the study. “The reality is that people are not only consuming more fructose through their diets, but also consuming more calories in general.



“One of the key questions is whether an increase in fructose intake contributes to obesity in the absence of excessive calorie intake.”



The researchers, under the direction of Justin Rhodes of Beckman’s NeuroTech Group and professor of psychology at Illinois, studied two groups of mice for two-and-a-half months: one group was fed a diet in which 18 percent of the calories came from fructose, mimicking the intake of adolescents in the United States, and the other was fed 18 percent from glucose.



“The important thing to note is that animals in both experimental groups had the usual intake of calories for a mouse,” said Rendeiro. “They were not eating more than they should, and both groups had exactly the same amount of calories deriving from sugar, the only difference was the type of sugar, either fructose or glucose.”



The results showed that the fructose-fed mice displayed significantly increased body weight, liver mass, and fat mass in comparison to the glucose-fed mice.



“In previous studies, the increases in fructose consumption were accompanied by increases in overall food intake, so it is difficult to know whether the animals put on weight due to the fructose itself or simply because they were eating more,” Rhodes said.



Remarkably, the researchers also found that not only were the fructose-fed mice gaining weight, they were also less active.



“We don’t know why animals move less when in the fructose diet,” said Rhodes. “However, we estimated that the reduction in physical activity could account for most of the weight gain.”



“Biochemical factors could also come into play in how the mice respond to the high fructose diet,” explained Jonathan Mun, another author on the study. “We know that contrary to glucose, fructose bypasses certain metabolic steps that result in an increase in fat formation, especially in adipose tissue and liver.”



The precise mechanisms are still being investigated, but one thing is certain: high intake of fructose by itself adds pounds.



“We designed this study based on the intake of fructose by adolescents in the United States,” said Rhodes. “Our study suggests that such levels of fructose can indeed play a role in weight gain, favor fat deposition, and also contribute to physical inactivity. Given the dramatic increase in obesity among young people and the severe negative effects that this can have on health throughout one’s life, it is important to consider what foods are providing our calories.”

[05heel]

Jun 23, 2015 15:41:14 GMT -5 krisim said:

Jun 23, 2015 14:10:19 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

I swear apples actually make me hungrier.

There is actual research that now infers that the sugar in fruit does in fact make you gain more weight than other types of sugar.  I love fruit, so this is depressing to hear. 

beckman.illinois.edu/news/2015/06/rhodes-fructose 


Published on June 01, 2015

In the last 40 years, fructose, a simple carbohydrate derived from fruit and vegetables, has been on the increase in American diets. Because of the addition of high-fructose corn syrup to many soft drinks and processed baked goods, fructose currently accounts for 10 percent of caloric intake for U.S. citizens. Male adolescents are the top fructose consumers, deriving between 15 to 23 percent of their calories from fructose--three to four times more than the maximum levels recommended by the American Heart Association.



A recent study found that, matched calorie for calorie with the simple sugar glucose, fructose causes significant weight gain, physical inactivity, and body fat deposition.



The paper, “Fructose decreases physical activity and increases body fat without affecting hippocampal neurogenesis and learning relative to an isocaloric glucose diet,” was published in Scientific Reports.



“The link between increases in sugar intake, particularly fructose, and the rising obesity epidemic has been debated for many years with no clear conclusions,” said Catarina Rendeiro, a postdoctoral research affiliate at the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology and lead author on the study. “The reality is that people are not only consuming more fructose through their diets, but also consuming more calories in general.



“One of the key questions is whether an increase in fructose intake contributes to obesity in the absence of excessive calorie intake.”



The researchers, under the direction of Justin Rhodes of Beckman’s NeuroTech Group and professor of psychology at Illinois, studied two groups of mice for two-and-a-half months: one group was fed a diet in which 18 percent of the calories came from fructose, mimicking the intake of adolescents in the United States, and the other was fed 18 percent from glucose.



“The important thing to note is that animals in both experimental groups had the usual intake of calories for a mouse,” said Rendeiro. “They were not eating more than they should, and both groups had exactly the same amount of calories deriving from sugar, the only difference was the type of sugar, either fructose or glucose.”



The results showed that the fructose-fed mice displayed significantly increased body weight, liver mass, and fat mass in comparison to the glucose-fed mice.



“In previous studies, the increases in fructose consumption were accompanied by increases in overall food intake, so it is difficult to know whether the animals put on weight due to the fructose itself or simply because they were eating more,” Rhodes said.



Remarkably, the researchers also found that not only were the fructose-fed mice gaining weight, they were also less active.



“We don’t know why animals move less when in the fructose diet,” said Rhodes. “However, we estimated that the reduction in physical activity could account for most of the weight gain.”



“Biochemical factors could also come into play in how the mice respond to the high fructose diet,” explained Jonathan Mun, another author on the study. “We know that contrary to glucose, fructose bypasses certain metabolic steps that result in an increase in fat formation, especially in adipose tissue and liver.”



The precise mechanisms are still being investigated, but one thing is certain: high intake of fructose by itself adds pounds.



“We designed this study based on the intake of fructose by adolescents in the United States,” said Rhodes. “Our study suggests that such levels of fructose can indeed play a role in weight gain, favor fat deposition, and also contribute to physical inactivity. Given the dramatic increase in obesity among young people and the severe negative effects that this can have on health throughout one’s life, it is important to consider what foods are providing our calories.”

See?  This is a bunch of noise.  I don't care one way or the other about fructose or glucose, but these data shouldn't be swaying nutrition policy or recommendations in either direction.  Most of the studies I see in the nutrition debate are about as compelling as this one. 

[krisim]

Jun 23, 2015 15:48:36 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Jun 23, 2015 15:41:14 GMT -5 krisim said:

There is actual research that now infers that the sugar in fruit does in fact make you gain more weight than other types of sugar.  I love fruit, so this is depressing to hear. 

beckman.illinois.edu/news/2015/06/rhodes-fructose 


Published on June 01, 2015

In the last 40 years, fructose, a simple carbohydrate derived from fruit and vegetables, has been on the increase in American diets. Because of the addition of high-fructose corn syrup to many soft drinks and processed baked goods, fructose currently accounts for 10 percent of caloric intake for U.S. citizens. Male adolescents are the top fructose consumers, deriving between 15 to 23 percent of their calories from fructose--three to four times more than the maximum levels recommended by the American Heart Association.



A recent study found that, matched calorie for calorie with the simple sugar glucose, fructose causes significant weight gain, physical inactivity, and body fat deposition.



The paper, “Fructose decreases physical activity and increases body fat without affecting hippocampal neurogenesis and learning relative to an isocaloric glucose diet,” was published in Scientific Reports.



“The link between increases in sugar intake, particularly fructose, and the rising obesity epidemic has been debated for many years with no clear conclusions,” said Catarina Rendeiro, a postdoctoral research affiliate at the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology and lead author on the study. “The reality is that people are not only consuming more fructose through their diets, but also consuming more calories in general.



“One of the key questions is whether an increase in fructose intake contributes to obesity in the absence of excessive calorie intake.”



The researchers, under the direction of Justin Rhodes of Beckman’s NeuroTech Group and professor of psychology at Illinois, studied two groups of mice for two-and-a-half months: one group was fed a diet in which 18 percent of the calories came from fructose, mimicking the intake of adolescents in the United States, and the other was fed 18 percent from glucose.



“The important thing to note is that animals in both experimental groups had the usual intake of calories for a mouse,” said Rendeiro. “They were not eating more than they should, and both groups had exactly the same amount of calories deriving from sugar, the only difference was the type of sugar, either fructose or glucose.”



The results showed that the fructose-fed mice displayed significantly increased body weight, liver mass, and fat mass in comparison to the glucose-fed mice.



“In previous studies, the increases in fructose consumption were accompanied by increases in overall food intake, so it is difficult to know whether the animals put on weight due to the fructose itself or simply because they were eating more,” Rhodes said.



Remarkably, the researchers also found that not only were the fructose-fed mice gaining weight, they were also less active.



“We don’t know why animals move less when in the fructose diet,” said Rhodes. “However, we estimated that the reduction in physical activity could account for most of the weight gain.”



“Biochemical factors could also come into play in how the mice respond to the high fructose diet,” explained Jonathan Mun, another author on the study. “We know that contrary to glucose, fructose bypasses certain metabolic steps that result in an increase in fat formation, especially in adipose tissue and liver.”



The precise mechanisms are still being investigated, but one thing is certain: high intake of fructose by itself adds pounds.



“We designed this study based on the intake of fructose by adolescents in the United States,” said Rhodes. “Our study suggests that such levels of fructose can indeed play a role in weight gain, favor fat deposition, and also contribute to physical inactivity. Given the dramatic increase in obesity among young people and the severe negative effects that this can have on health throughout one’s life, it is important to consider what foods are providing our calories.”

but that isn't from eating too much FRUIT... 

Correct!  It's just from utilizing the fructose found in fruit (and veggies for that matter). 

[knx9211]

[ginger]

Jun 23, 2015 14:50:18 GMT -5 kooshball said:

When is the last time someone said they got fat from eating too many grapes or bananas?

carrotsmakemefat

[pixy0stix]

Jun 23, 2015 15:44:45 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

Every time I get quoted in here, I keep hoping somebody is responding to my serious post.

In the ideal world your dues to organizations should fund the conferences, as well as conference fees. When I was in the scientific world, none of the conferences I attended or set up were sponsored. It was funded by the host facility. That being said, they were small conferences.

[05heel]

Jun 23, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

I don't think it's great that these conferences are being sponsored by McDonalds and Mars. But.. aren't they expensive to put on? How else are they going to fund them? Membership dues? Donations? I'm asking a serious question, not trying to be difficult. I assume they're just bringing the big corporate sponsors on because they are the one with the money. At least it sounds like many of the nutritionists aren't buying that Sun Chips and Hershey bars are healthy.

The conferences are expensive to put on, but they're also big moneymakers for these organizations.  Research money from the government has all but dried up, and what's there is subject to influence from corporate lobbyists anyway.  So even government money isn't a neutral revenue source anymore.  Bottom line is any money you get will have some sketchy origins.  And in all fairness to the sponsors, I don't think it's entirely inappropriate for them to be funding research or to have a presence at conferences.  There's probably a decent amount of legitimate scientific exchange going on. 

[shostakovich]

The day I stop eating my weight in watermelon every summer is the day you can put me in the ground.

ETA: And the amount of watermelon will be ever-increasing apparently, since it's jam-packed with fatty-fatty-fructose.  It's like a snake eating its own tail. 

[lilafowler]

I got a Wendy's salad for dinner.

[elleblue]

Unless you have health issues that require sugar avoidance, eating fruit will not harm you. Veggies are still generally a better choice, but you'll have to eat a lot of fruit to equal the amount of fructose found in junk food. No need to hate on fruit. I love fruit. Fermented grapes in particular. heh

[isabel]

Jun 23, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5 wambam said:

Yes, fruit has sugar. That is totally true. It all has micronutrient content, fiber, etc.

No one has ever gotten fat eating fruit. If you're down to the last few vanity pounds, reducing fruit may help you get leaner. But it's not going to make you fat.

That being said, it's possible to have an unhealthy psychological relationship with any food. But I doubt it's very common to be addicted to apples.

ETA: Not an RD or a health care professional. The above post is just my layman's opinion.

My H is addicted to carrots. I wish I was kidding. He gets kind of weird and antsy when we don't have them in the house. I buy 5 pounds of baby carrots every week. They're usually gone in 5-6 days. He's the only one eating them.

I'm gonna go back to reading the thread now.

[thelongroad]

I am in school to be a nutrition professional and it's kind of embarrassing that I have to be a member of AND right now. A few months back they got into hot water for a collaboration with Kraft the ended when Kraft started to put the symbol for the Kids Eat Right initiative on their Singles. There was a lot of finger pointing and dodging blame, but It was such an uproar that after a 3-year partnership they parted ways.

[05heel]

Jun 23, 2015 12:35:39 GMT -5 jenny1980 said:

Jun 23, 2015 12:24:49 GMT -5 kevin arnold said:

Oh man! I missed this thread! I was on vacation. I'm almost caught up doing a quick skim. Team wambam and toledo.

 Also adding my usual disclaimer that I really do think people should eat whatever they want and I truly don't care what any individual here eats or doesn't eat.  So team me too.

I'm honestly really surprised by how many smart women on here don't question how the food industry works. Offer critique and you're lumped in with the anti vaxxing crazies. 

I think it's the closest analogy, to be honest. The food industry is sketchy as hell, but the science that people love to quote in support of their dietary theory of the moment is about a half notch above the anti-vax science as far as validity is concerned. There's plenty of corporate money behind the other side's research too.

[usuallylurking]

Jun 23, 2015 18:19:55 GMT -5 tillie said:

McDonalds also discontinued selling Cuties. So now it's back to apples as their only fruit option. Not pleased

I assumed this was because they were a seasonal offering?

[dexteroni]

I thought I'd weigh in since it was a comment of mine that prompted this post. I didn't say corporate sponsorship is no big deal. I said right in that comment that if there's shady stuff going on, it should be exposed, and there is absolutely a lot of shady stuff in that article - secret sponsors, giving one-sided or perhaps even false information, etc. I said corporate sponsorship doesn't invalidate the education and licensing that RDs are required to have, and the RDs quoted in the article did, in fact, see through it and were opposed to it, which actually supports my comment. IMO the article speaks more about the ethics of the organizations putting on the conferences than it does about its members. Is every RD on the up and up? Surely not, but there are unethical people in any profession. It doesn't mean all of them, or even most of them, are acting unscrupulously.

Someone mentioned in the other post that their kids' pediatrician probably goes to events sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, and that they didn't feel that it invalidated his or her medical knowledge. It's a similar comparison. I'm sure many people here have been to nutritionists - have any of them ever told you that gluten intolerance is imaginary, or promoted Sun Chips as a snack?

I also feel strongly that the "omg the industry is tainted, don't believe anything they say" mentality is as harmful, if not more so, than corporate sponsorship. The people saying it aren't usually anywhere nearly as informed as the industry's professionals are, yet they're insisting that they know the real truth. That's where my anti-vaxxer comparison came in, because that's who seems to use this type of argument the most. But it applies to the medical, pharmaceutical, or nutrition industries, and probably many others.

[tictac]

I just housed a container of black berries, and called it "dinner."

COME AT ME, FRUIT HATERS.

[dexteroni]

Jun 23, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5 wambam said:

Yes, fruit has sugar. That is totally true. It all has micronutrient content, fiber, etc.

No one has ever gotten fat eating fruit. If you're down to the last few vanity pounds, reducing fruit may help you get leaner. But it's not going to make you fat.

I agree. The fiber in fruit slows down the sugar's metabolism, which helps prevent blood sugar swings and therefore intense hunger cravings. If you're choosing between a low-fat frozen yogurt and however many apples would be its caloric equivalent, IMO the apples are absolutely the better choice. This is also why, if you're going to have empty sugar calories like ice cream, it's better to have them after a healthy meal than on an empty stomach.

Also not a professional, but diabetes runs in my family, and I've done a lot of reading about blood sugar - how it works, what food and eating habits affect it, etc.

[FastHands]

Jun 23, 2015 16:44:12 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

This is fucking dumb. There is a substantially less amount of fructose in actual fruit than there is in foods using hfcs. If you're eating 25% of your total diet as fructose, you're eating nearly impossible amounts of fruit. Omg.

Thank you! Ugh. I really really hate when poorly designed studies get so much press, or when incorrect conclusions are drawn and disseminated like gospel. It's like when a furor is raised about a new cancer treatment, because a study showed something killed cancer cells in a dish. Yeah, yeno what else kills cancer cells in a dish? 100% H2O. But that's not fucking relevant to anything and people need to STOOOP with this nonsense. Otherwise you have someone on a message board saying how sad they are now that Science has reached a verdict on fruit, and it's NOT GOOD because LinkToBadScience.

ARGGGGH!

[carfar]

Jun 23, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 23, 2015 14:23:12 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

I'm saying, as Violet indicated above, wouldn't you go into something like this wondering where the funding was coming from?  I certainly don't think it's a good idea to have junk-food sponsorship for a nutritional conference; I'm just wondering, if it's this widespread that a national organization is doing it this blatantly, how you could NOT know. 

Not until you sat your ass down at the actual conference or attended a talk.

Here is the website for the conference: www.dietitian.org/annual_meeting15.html

Here is the presentation for one of the speakers: www.dietitian.org/d_cda/docs/annual_mtg_2015/conference_handouts/thu4-9-15/Miller_ChangingWayAgriculture.pdf

Note that you don't get the disclosure that she was paid for by the Ag and Dairy council until you're actually sitting at the presentation.

I don't normally post here, but saw this in the app, and feel the need to because I was at this conference. In fact, I'm in one of the photos in the article. I had no clue mc DS was a sponsor until I got there, and most of the attendees had no say in whom sponsors were.




I

[underwaterrhymes]

The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is that I could eat the shit out of some Twizzlers right now.

Instead I had strawberries. But only 5. I feel no guilt.

I wouldn't feel any about the Twizzlers, either, under ordinary circumstances. They're on my short list of things for H to bring to the hospital after I deliver along with a bottle of wine (made from grapes), or a Stiegel grapefruit beer (presumably containing at least some grapefruit).

And probably some pasta (hopefully containing no fruit at all.)

[nessness]

Jun 23, 2015 17:23:46 GMT -5 isabel said:

Jun 23, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5 wambam said:

Yes, fruit has sugar. That is totally true. It all has micronutrient content, fiber, etc.

No one has ever gotten fat eating fruit. If you're down to the last few vanity pounds, reducing fruit may help you get leaner. But it's not going to make you fat.

That being said, it's possible to have an unhealthy psychological relationship with any food. But I doubt it's very common to be addicted to apples.

ETA: Not an RD or a health care professional. The above post is just my layman's opinion.

My H is addicted to carrots. I wish I was kidding. He gets kind of weird and antsy when we don't have them in the house. I buy 5 pounds of baby carrots every week. They're usually gone in 5-6 days. He's the only one eating them.

I'm gonna go back to reading the thread now.

jan8? carrotsmakemefat

[shostakovich]

Jun 23, 2015 19:18:13 GMT -5 carfar said:

Jun 23, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Not until you sat your ass down at the actual conference or attended a talk.

Here is the website for the conference: www.dietitian.org/annual_meeting15.html

Here is the presentation for one of the speakers: www.dietitian.org/d_cda/docs/annual_mtg_2015/conference_handouts/thu4-9-15/Miller_ChangingWayAgriculture.pdf

Note that you don't get the disclosure that she was paid for by the Ag and Dairy council until you're actually sitting at the presentation.

I don't normally post here, but saw this in the app, and feel the need to because I was at this conference. In fact, I'm in one of the photos in the article. I had no clue mc DS was a sponsor until I got there, and most of the attendees had no say in whom sponsors were.




I

Are you the lady making the frowny face at the McD's salads in the second photo?  (You should just say yes, because I love that lady's frowny face).  

[tictac]

Jun 23, 2015 19:19:10 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is that I could eat the shit out of some Twizzlers right now.

Instead I had strawberries. But only 5. I feel no guilt.

I wouldn't feel any about the Twizzlers, either, under ordinary circumstances. They're on my short list of things for H to bring to the hospital after I deliver along with a bottle of wine (made from grapes), or a Stiegel grapefruit beer (presumably containing at least some grapefruit).

And probably some pasta (hopefully containing no fruit at all.)

Tomato sauce?

... not that I justify my spaghetti intake with "But tomatoes are fruit!!!!!" or anything ...

[underwaterrhymes]

Jun 23, 2015 20:16:06 GMT -5 tictac said:

Jun 23, 2015 19:19:10 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is that I could eat the shit out of some Twizzlers right now.

Instead I had strawberries. But only 5. I feel no guilt.

I wouldn't feel any about the Twizzlers, either, under ordinary circumstances. They're on my short list of things for H to bring to the hospital after I deliver along with a bottle of wine (made from grapes), or a Stiegel grapefruit beer (presumably containing at least some grapefruit).

And probably some pasta (hopefully containing no fruit at all.)

Tomato sauce?

... not that I justify my spaghetti intake with "But tomatoes are fruit!!!!!" or anything ...

No, I want Alfredo sauce. Or possibly shrimp scampi. No tomatoes allowed for my first postpartum meal.

[tictac]

Jun 23, 2015 20:17:19 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Jun 23, 2015 20:16:06 GMT -5 tictac said:

Tomato sauce?

... not that I justify my spaghetti intake with "But tomatoes are fruit!!!!!" or anything ...

No, I want Alfredo sauce. Or possibly shrimp scampi. No tomatoes allowed for my first postpartum meal.

STOP VILIFYING FRUIT!!!!!!!

[curtains]

Jun 23, 2015 19:31:08 GMT -5 @tambcat said:

And the Filet o' FIsh. Fish is healthy! Omega 3 fatty acids.

farmvillelover