I know I'm behind, but - can I talk Serial/Undisclosed?

[bowies]

I just finished Jay's Day.

At the end of Serial I was still unsure. I thought, you know, he probably did it and Jay was a shitty witness because he was high throughout the day. But I would have voted to acquit if I was on the jury.  My assumption has always been that the times and sequence of events weren't as they were presented at trial, and without physical evidence you can't rely on a bunch of witness statements that wildly differ and change.

Now I feel like there's such a small likelihood that Adnan did it. Jay and Jen did. And now I'm wondering why. Was Jay deeper into selling drugs than what he admitted to and Hae knew/had threatened to expose it? I also feel like that Nisha call is so obviously a ploy by Jay to connect Adnan with the phone. It was a basic Nokia - there weren't any lock screens. Jay could easily dial her number and let it ring.

I don't believe a word out of Jay's mouth anymore. I don't know how Christina the lawyer didn't completely shred his credibility on the stand.

[pinotgrig]

There are so many issues with this case - prosecutorial misconduct, adnan's incompetent lawyer, jay's ever-changing story. I don't think adnan, jay, Jen, or anyone who knew hae did it.

Have you listened to undisclosed yet? Sorry, forgot jay's day is from UD. Was that the tapping episode? Have you listened to that one yet?

[bowies]

Yes, it was the tapping episode. See, I think it has to be someone who knew Hae. First, because Jay knew where the car was. I don't think that the police told him off tape and then he told them when they turned the tape on. And because strangulation is such a personal thing.

Jay and Jen sold their stories to the police before they even got to Adnan and the police coached Jay to be a good witness.

[bullsgirl]

I had no idea this existed and I was obsessed with Serial. I am so excited now!

[pinotgrig]

Jun 30, 2015 9:11:04 GMT -5 bowies said:

Yes, it was the tapping episode. See, I think it has to be someone who knew Hae. First, because Jay knew where the car was. I don't think that the police told him off tape and then he told them when they turned the tape on. And because strangulation is such a personal thing.

Jay and Jen sold their stories to the police before they even got to Adnan and the police coached Jay to be a good witness.

There are some issues about the car's location, though. I think that's in a later episode.

There was also the serial killer (Roy Davis) who strangled a teenager before hae went missing. So I'm not too hung up on that. And Jay is still changing his story (guardian interview).

[MamaMaui24]

Based on today's episode, why didn't they look into the serial killer path more closely?

Woodlawn High girl killed and left in Leakin Park a month before Hae went missing? The guy lived across the street from an ATM that Hae frequented and her paycheck was not deposited?

I don't remember hearing anything about these details in Serial. (Which, I know, is the point of Undisclosed).

[pinotgrig]

Jun 30, 2015 9:58:36 GMT -5 MamaMaui24 said:

Based on today's episode, why didn't they look into the serial killer path more closely?

Woodlawn High girl killed and left in Leakin Park a month before Hae went missing? The guy lived across the street from an ATM that Hae frequented and her paycheck was not deposited?

I don't remember hearing anything about these details in Serial. (Which, I know, is the point of Undisclosed).

The Davis theory also explains the gas station charge on her credit card, which was 30 minutes from Woodlawn. The gas station is less than a mile whew the first teen was dumped.

[bowies]

Ooooooo I haven't gotten to the serial killer thing yet.

But that makes me even MORE curious about why Jay and Jen pin it on Adnan. Maybe they copied the MO of the serial killer in case the Adnan thing didn't work out? Don't know if Jay is that smart though.

I'm hung up on these two. Something ain't right.

[Cicero]

Jun 30, 2015 9:22:50 GMT -5 @mrsbecky said:

Jun 30, 2015 9:14:49 GMT -5 @this said:

But even without the bias... there's SO. MUCH. EVIDENCE that Jay and Jen did it. Like, holy shit. It's overwhelming. It's not even bias - it's just facts.

I mean like I said I haven't listened to it, so maybe.  But i definitely side-eye a podcast sponsored by Adnan Syed's Legal Trust. 

This is where I am.

[smock]

I think Hae knew that Jay was "stepping out" on Stephanie.

[tacoflavoredkisses]

The tapping thing has probably been one of the few things on undisclosed that doesn't seem biased. I want to believe the autopsy stuff too, but it's hard for me to believe when the ME expert was looking at B&W photos.

[tacoflavoredkisses]

Jun 30, 2015 11:30:28 GMT -5 @this said:

Jun 30, 2015 11:28:06 GMT -5 tacoflavoredkisses said:

The tapping thing has probably been one of the few things on undisclosed that doesn't seem biased. I want to believe the autopsy stuff too, but it's hard for me to believe when the ME expert was looking at B&W photos.

What about the car stuff? That there was green grass under the car and that the car had plate checks done in other parts of town?

I forgot about that!

I mean, I finished serial thinking Adnan didn't do it, so I'm on the side of the undisclosed team. I can just see how others might see it as biased.