Bernie v Hillary - Nate Silver nails it

[ESF]

This article seems to very clearly articulate everything we were all dancing around last week.  Lots of links embedded in the original if you want more info.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bernie-sanders-surge-is-about-bernie-not-hillary/

The Bernie Sanders Surge Is About Bernie, Not Hillary

Not everyone in the media understands that.

By NATE SILVER

“The recent rise of Bernie Sanders,” wrote Vox’s Jonathan Allen last week, “points as much to [Hillary] Clinton’s vulnerability as Sanders’s strength.” Allen went on to argue that Joe Biden should run for president. “The Sanders surge shows that Democratic activists want an alternative to Clinton,” he explained.

We’ve seen this idea before. For at least a year, journalists have been urging, sometimes almost begging, Biden to enter the race. The more elaborate versions of the idea liken the 2016 campaign to 1968, a year in which the incumbent president, Lyndon B. Johnson, withdrew after the liberal, anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy finished a close second in the New Hampshire primary. The nomination was eventually won by Johnson’s vice president, Hubert Humphrey, after Robert F. Kennedy (who had entered the race after New Hampshire) was assassinated. In the 2016 narrative, Clinton is Johnson, Sanders is McCarthy and Biden is some composite of Kennedy and Humphrey.

But these comparisons suffer from a fatal flaw. Unlike LBJ, who (mostly because of the Vietnam War) had approval ratings only in the mid-50s or low 60s among Democrats during the 1968 campaign, Hillary Clinton is beloved by voters in her party. In national polls, her favorability ratings among Democrats usually exceed 80 percent.

Nor do Sanders’s gains in Iowa and New Hampshire say much about Clinton’s vulnerability. This is easy enough to test. When a candidate gains relative to another, it could be because he is growing more popular, or because his opponent is becoming less popular. Horse-race polls, in which voters reveal only their first preference, won’t always be able to distinguish between these causes.

Favorability ratings allow us to say more. If Allen’s assertion is right — that Sanders’s gains represent an “anybody but Hillary” vote that could go to Biden — we should have seen a significant deterioration in Clinton’s favorability ratings. That’s not what we see, however. In the charts below, I’ve compiled all the favorability rating polls I could find among Iowa and New Hampshire Democrats since the start of the year. In Iowa, there’s been no change at all in Clinton’s ratings. Her favorability rating is about 85 percent, and her unfavorable rating is around 10 percent, right where it was in January.



Perhaps you can perceive a slight downturn in Clinton’s favorability numbers among Democrats in New Hampshire — they’re now in the high 70s instead of the mid-80s, while her unfavorable ratings have grown by a few percentage points. Her ratings are still very good, however, and (given the noise in the polling) the change isn’t statistically significant.1

Instead, it’s the Vermont senator’s ratings that have shifted dramatically. In Iowa, Sanders’s favorability rating has grown from about 35 percent at the start of the year to 60 percent now. And in New Hampshire, it has improved from around 45 percent to 65 percent. Some of that is from improved name recognition, but Sanders’s unfavorable ratings haven’t increased even as he’s become better known, remaining at about 10 percent in each state.

The Bernie Sanders surge, in other words, has a lot more to do with Bernie Sanders than with Hillary Clinton. More specifically, it has to do with his left-populist politics. We’re going to break some news here: It turns out that some Democrats are really liberal, and they like a really liberal candidate like Sanders. Right now, Sanders is winning about half the support of white liberal Democrats, but little support from other groups within the party. That works out to around 25 or 30 percent of the vote in Iowa and New Hampshire but more like 15 percent among Democrats nationally.

It’s possible that Sanders’s standing will continue to improve. If he goes from winning half of the white liberal vote to most of it, he could win Iowa and New Hampshire, though not very many other states.

But he could also encounter some headwinds. Sanders’s name recognition is now 70 to 80 percent in Iowa and New Hampshire, so he doesn’t have that much more room to grow on the basis of improved name recognition alone. And while he’s an appealing choice to some very liberal Democrats, Democrats who describe themselves as “somewhat liberal” may instead prefer Clinton. The policy differences between the Democrats aren’t all that profound; Clinton is pretty liberal herself, and she and Sanders voted together 93 percent of the time in the two years they spent in the Senate together.

Sanders may also be benefiting from media coverage of his campaign, which has been favorable to him recently. Polls that show him gaining in Iowa and New Hampshire receive lots of press coverage, whereas those that show him stalling out, like this one released late last week, are all but ignored. Meanwhile, it was described as a “game-changer” when Sanders announced he’d raised $15 million in the spring, even as Clinton raised $45 million during the same period.

Some of this has to do with the longstanding antipathy between the Clintons and the news media (a phenomenon that Allen has written about). But the media have another incentive to paint Sanders’s candidacy in a favorable light, the same one that encourages them to call for a Biden candidacy: Coronations are boring. They’d rather see a competitive Democratic primary, which means more to talk about and analyze, and thus more viewership and traffic. This isn’t an anti-Clinton thing, necessarily; in the past, the dynamic has sometimes worked toward Clinton’s benefit. The 2008 Democratic nomination was portrayed as anyone’s race until the bitter end, for instance, even though Barack Obama’s substantial lead in delegates made it difficult for Clinton to win.

Ordinarily, Democrats might push back against what they perceived to be unfair or inaccurate coverage about Clinton. But Democratic activists and commentators are more liberal than Democrats as a whole. Many of them like Sanders’s policy positions — and even though they may also like Clinton, they’d like to see her pulled further to the left before the general election gets underway.

What about the Clinton campaign itself? So long as Clinton retains 80 percent favorable ratings among Democrats, she has little reason to deflate the Bernie bubble. Sanders may satiate the media’s desire for a “competitive” Democratic primary without really making her vulnerable. Clinton has plenty of ammunition, however, including her money and the endorsements she’s received from her fellow Democrats (including many Democrats who are almost as liberal as Sanders). That’s likely enough to secure her the nomination without her going negative. If needed, she could also press concerns about the electability of Sanders, a 73-year-old self-described socialist who hasn’t run a national campaign before.

In the meantime, you’re likely to see journalists misunderstand the reasons for Sanders’s gains, attributing them incorrectly to criticisms of Clinton. Her email scandal, for example, has received plenty of press coverage, but it isn’t likely to weigh her down in the primary. While only 42 percent of Americans overall say that Clinton is honest and trustworthy — a potential concern for her in the general election — 73 percent of Democrats think she is. And 80 percent of Democrats say Clinton cares about people like them.

There isn’t much of a market among Democrats for an “anybody but Hillary” candidate, in other words. And it’s particularly illogical to argue that Biden might serve as a better foil to Sanders. Biden has lower favorable ratings and higher unfavorable ratings than Clinton and by statistical measures is further to the right.

So if you’re going to speculate about a new candidate entering the race, at least do it in a way that’s consistent with the evidence. Since Sanders’s surge is mostly about Democrats liking a really liberal candidate, you could argue that Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren should run for president. She’s also extremely popular with liberals but carries less baggage than Sanders.2 But it’s going to be hard for any Democrat to beat Clinton as long as she has an 80 or 85 percent favorability rating within her party.

[heyjude]

"The policy differences between the Democrats aren’t all that profound; Clinton is pretty liberal herself, and she and Sanders voted together 93 percent of the time in the two years they spent in the Senate together."

Mmmhmmmm.

[downtoearth]

I think does agree with my thoughts - I agree with and will likely vote for HRC, but I don't dislike Sanders at all. I actually like some of his ideals a little more, but I also feel like more Dems in the East are interested in Sanders than across the US. However, my opinion of one does not need to go down in order for me to like them both.

[FloFTW]

I still wish that Sherrod Brown was running.

[ESF]

Jul 15, 2015 12:34:32 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

Jul 15, 2015 11:55:52 GMT -5 heyjude said:

"The policy differences between the Democrats aren’t all that profound; Clinton is pretty liberal herself, and she and Sanders voted together 93 percent of the time in the two years they spent in the Senate together."

Mmmhmmmm.

I'm just going to say it here to be perfectly clear. THIS is why I don't think it makes sense to vote Sanders (not that different and harder to win the general) AND this is why I'm more willing to "give a woman a chance" (because again, not that different). This is not the same as saying "Palin or bust, we need a woman in office!"

I also am concerned about a 73 year old man, but the VP pick could alleviate that concern (although we often don't have that information early enough to help with early-ish primaries).

I wonder who Bernie would pick as a VP.  Usually a VP pick is someone to broaden the candidate's appeal, but Bernie's appeal is that he doesn't try to broaden his appeal. 

[LadySusan]

Jul 15, 2015 12:12:08 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

I think does agree with my thoughts - I agree with and will likely vote for HRC, but I don't dislike Sanders at all. I actually like some of his ideals a little more, but I also feel like more Dems in the East are interested in Sanders than across the US. However, my opinion of one does not need to go down in order for me to like them both.

Yep.  I like them both a lot.  I haven't done a lot of serious research on Sanders but he might align better with my preference for a Bigger Government than Clinton.  I'm in Oregon and the primary will probably be settled by the time the Oregon primary comes around.

I'm just pleaed that the two Dem frontrunners are both a good match for me.

[decemberwedding07]

Jul 15, 2015 16:07:13 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

I mean, it'd be hard to pick another socialist, right? I think whomever he picks will be broadening his appeal by default.

ETA:  Unless it was Warren.  Even then, you may get some additional female votes.

I kind of want Warren to stay in the Senate where she can continue to battle it out for this country. Do VPs really have that much power?

[msmerymac]

There haven't been a ton of votes on whether or not to prosecute Wall Street execs for the meltdown, or what kind of legislation can help mitigate Citizens United, so the similar voting history doesn't mean much to me. The senate is basically same shit different day.