Because the black market for aborted fetus parts is so lucrative. You'd think if they were really into harvesting organs for profit, they'd at least go for the good stuff like adult kidneys and such. JFC. I hate everyone today.
Well, the black market for fetal organs is pretty lucrative, what with all the atheists, feminists, and liberals that use them for ceremonial purposes.
Now I think you've covered it! We are full circle here. PP performs abortions for the atheists, feminists and liberals and then sells their own baby's organs back to them for even more profit!
Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.
See, but to me the question would be is that explained to the woman who says she wants the tissue to be donated? If so, I don't understand what the issue is.
Here is the issue, as I understand it.
There's a federal law banning "partial birth abortion," a made-up inflammatory term for a particular type of procedure known by real doctors as dilation and extraction. It's often the safest way to abort a baby, but we are talking about people that like to put women's health in dick quotes, so they don't really care about medical reasons or anything, they just want to inflame public opinion against abortion. The law has such little regard for women's health that it banned the use of the procedure even if a doctor determined it was in the best interest of the women's health to perform it. I will pause to let that sink in.
There's another procedure that is similar to the banned one, but it is not banned. It's my understanding that procedure came about in response to the ban, as a way to continue to protect women's health while performing certain times of risky abortions. Often this is the procedure recommended to women seeking abortions. If women would like the fetal tissue to be donated to medical research, this is typically the procedure that is followed because it preserves as much tissue as possible.
Some people unfortunately believe that the "partial birth abortion" ban was passed to protect women. Obviously if this were true, Congress would have let doctors perform it if it would protect the woman's health. They didn't, they'd rather women go through procedures where their cervixes became irreparably damaged or would need lengthy hospital stays.
Unfortunately, people drink the kool aid and continue to believe the procedure was banned to protect women. Because of that, they believe this similar procedure is also dangerous to women. Because the similar procedure is the one that is used to perform the abortions where the fetal tissue will be used for medical research, we've now got the talking point that Planned Parenthood is doing quack medicine on poor unsuspecting women to further their real goal of selling dismembered babies on the black market.
It's all propaganda from beginning to end. This is not about protecting women. This is about an agenda. They can't win their agenda on facts and reality, so they have to win by manipulating people with outrageous claims and heavily edited videos.
Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.
Also (not directed at pamela, but the assertion), fuck them and their "for the benefit of the woman." That is some bullshit right there.
I posted this elsewhere and I know I'm preaching to the choir for most of this group but beyond the huge, glaring ethical violations with editing a video that drastically, I have to say it really pisses me off that yet again people are speaking for women who've terminated pregnancies. In my experience with the loss community, sometimes the only solace loss mamas have had during that horrible ordeal is knowing their child's donated organs can go to research to help fix whatever disastrous malady it was that led to termination in the first place. For the PP haters to shut out those voices makes me far angrier than I can put into words.
Post by RoxMonster on Jul 31, 2015 16:38:33 GMT -5
I mean, besides agreeing with everyone you all say here, I don't even think the woman in that video (the one linked in the OP) sounds callous about it. This is something she does for a living and discussing an area in which she is knowledgeable. It's not like she was laughing while holding up her wine going "Cheers to dead babies everywhere" or some shit.
If it's a topic you talk about a lot at work and one that is almost second nature to you, then yes, you will probably sound more conversational talking about it. Beyond the fact that nothing horrible is even going on here, if the anti-choice crowd is trying to glom onto this woman in the video and how she's talking, I don't even see what they are making a fuss over. None whatsoever.
Post by secretlyevil on Jul 31, 2015 16:57:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately a good friend posted about her outrage. I had to reminder it was fake propaganda. Apparently that didn't matter to her or another person I have now had to change my opinion on.
I haven't been following this story at all. I don't understand the issue at all. Is "the issue" that PP gets consent from the patient to use the aborted fetal tissue for medical research? And that is bad because.....? We don't like medical research and advancement in Merica? I don't understand the outrage. Is it just because we are talking about shmashortions?
Is there a tell me like I'm 5 background paper on this?
Another part of the issue is whether they adjust their medical procedure to better harvest the organs rather than just for the benefit of the woman.
1. This doesn't happen. 2. The anti-choice movement has never acted in the interests of women. They're not about to start now.
Post by UMaineTeach on Jul 31, 2015 17:32:40 GMT -5
spin-off question:
When they talk about the House voting or bringing forth bills to "defund PP," does the bill actually, literally, say PP specifically would be the only place effected?, or are they going to remove all federal dollars from all sliding scale sexual/reproductive health clinics? or just sliding scale sexual/reproductive health clinics that provide (non-federally funded) abortion in addition to a range of other services?
I ask, because the non-profit I used to work for was a master of getting all the federal dollars by tinkering with corporate structure and wholly-owned subsidiaries. If they only defund clinics that provide abortion, is there a way to spin off the abortion practice as a separate business under the ultimate control of the clinic?
My husband's family member liked Matt Wa lsh's Facebook post about this topic. Ughhhh. This is it in full:
Matt Wa lsh Yesterday at 2:31pm · Edited · The fourth Planned Parenthood video has been released. It's the worst so far. A few quick points about it: 1) This footage features Savita Ginde, the VP of a massive Planned Parenthood abortuary. In the video, she explicitly details how the selling of baby parts must be coordinated with the other clinics, so that they "have their stories straight" in case "they get caught." She conspires to file the transaction under "research," and explains that she "doesn't want to get called on selling fetal parts across states." She also, like the serial killers from the other videos, directly states that abortion procedures are changed to preserve specimens for sale. This, along with selling them, is a violation of federal law. There is just no question at all that Planned Parenthood has been caught breaking the law. We have executives on video literally describing how they break the law, and now saying that they're afraid they'll get caught. What else do you need? How can any conscious person watch these videos, listen to people plainly and clearly outline how they are breaking the law, but come away reassured that nobody is breaking the law? Planned Parenthood executives: "Here's a five step outline of how we break the law..." Planned Parenthood sycophant: "See! I told you they aren't breaking the law!" Planned Parenthood apologists are staring at a brick wall and telling us there isn't a brick wall. But of course they've been doing that for forty years. The only difference is that now they're slamming their heads into the wall and still telling us the wall isn't there. The level of intellectual dishonesty is almost superhuman at this point. It's unlike anything I've ever seen. 2) The second part of the video shows Ginde dissecting an unborn child. She laughs and jokes throughout the process, and makes light of it as the camera catches the sound of a skull being cracked open by a knife. She talks about the different organs they can extract from the babies, saying often the brains come out intact. She then says they like to sell the parts individually because that way they can "see how much [money] they can get out of it." At the end, a Planned Parenthood tech is sifting through the severed parts, apparently notices the child's reproductive organs, and shouts gleefully, "it's a boy!" Everything I just described should enrage you. If it does not -- if that dead lion ticks you off more than Planned Parenthood butchers laughing over a vat of dismembered baby limbs -- you are a deeply disturbed and troubled person. 3) The most damning part of the video, if you can really call one part more damning then the other, is when Ginde explains how sometimes the patient "delivers before we get to see them for the procedure," in which case the baby "is intact." Do you know what that means? It means sometimes they baby is born alive, and then killed and harvested. That's what it means. It can't mean anything else. Look, if you are still on Planned Parenthood's side, there is no debating anymore. You have chosen to ignore or deny the indisputable reality of the situation. I want to make it clear that I do blame you for this, and I hold you complicit. Enough of deflecting the blame to institutions and government bodies and so forth. Sure, the abortion industry and the government deserve all the blame in the world, but I'm tired of people letting the average pro-choice Planned Parenthood sympathizer off the hook. You people are adults. You have brains, unlike the babies whose brains are sucked out and sold for profit. You have souls. You have the ability to understand simple moral concepts. Now put those capacities to work. Wake up. No more excuses. This is a moment in history where either you are right or you are wrong, and it is just not OK to be wrong about this. It's not OK. And you are definitely wrong. One hundred percent. Black and white. Absolute. You're not even a little bit right. There isn't even a glimmer of rightness in your position. You are totally and indefensibly wrong, and you should be profoundly ashamed of yourself. I love you and I pray for you, but I am very angry at you. You are whistling past the concentration camp, pretending you can't smell the burning flesh, and I, for one, am done letting you off the hook for it. Get it together, alright? 4) The people that filmed these videos are heroes. They didn't break any law, but I wouldn't care if they did. Nobody has a God given right to privacy while they murder children. They forfeit that right. This group acted legally as investigative journalists, but laws that aid in the murder of children are not legitimate anyway, so it doesn't matter. These people are absolute heroes and warriors for life and liberty. They have done something incredible here, and I thank God for them.
I've had 5 freaking people share that dumb Matt Walsh post on facebook. Women, all of them. I just cant even get into it with them, because they are so zealous in their belief that these women are murdering children. There is no reasoning with that.
When they talk about the House voting or bringing forth bills to "defund PP," does the bill actually, literally, say PP specifically would be the only place effected?, or are they going to remove all federal dollars from all sliding scale sexual/reproductive health clinics? or just sliding scale sexual/reproductive health clinics that provide (non-federally funded) abortion in addition to a range of other services?
I ask, because the non-profit I used to work for was a master of getting all the federal dollars by tinkering with corporate structure and wholly-owned subsidiaries. If they only defund clinics that provide abortion, is there a way to spin off the abortion practice as a separate business under the ultimate control of the clinic?
Well, thanks to the Hyde Amendment, any medical facility that provides abortion cannot use tax dollars towards abortion, so the finances are already very, very carefully controlled and abortion funds are separated from other funds at PP. Also, keep in mind that many PP locations don't even perform abortions. Not like any of this matters, because I've been seeing tons of comments about how PP is using "tax-payer funded abortions" to make profits off baby body parts. There are at least three falsehoods in that statement.
But yes, PP is a specific line item in the federal budget. However, the politicians voting to defund PP would probably have no qualms about defunding all reproductive health services.