Trump has some actual policy positions- immigration of cours

[zoegirltx]

I know ttt didn't want to feed the trolls, but I do think these radical positions will force the other (serious??) candidates to respond or up the ante on their own positions too


abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-unveils-immigration-plan-calls-end-birthright/story?id=33114832

Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump has released his specific plan for immigration reform.



In the 6-page report titled "Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again," Trump is calling for an end to birthright citizenship, saying it "remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration."



Trump again repeated his commitment to build a wall on the United States' southern border. Outlining his plan, Trump's policy seeks to "impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards -- of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]."



"We will not be taken advantage of anymore," Trump added in his most specific policy statement to date on immigration.



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Trump’s plan also calls for tripling the number of ICE officers who secure the border from the current 5,000. The Republican frontrunner wants ICE officers to work with local police departments across the country targeting gangs in order to find undocumented immigrants.



Immigration has been one of the hot-button issues for Trump since kicking off his campaign in June. During his announcement speech, the real estate mogul took direct aim at Mexican immigrants, kicking off a firestorm of criticism.



"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," Trump said in the speech. "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."



Shortly after those remarks, many companies, including Univision, Macy's and NBC Universal, ended their business relationships with Trump.



Trump also is pledging in today’s report to end welfare support for immigrants.



“Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.,” the report reads.



Trump told NBC News' "Meet the Press" today, "We're going to keep the families together, but they have to go," referring to the illegal immigrants he would deport.

[zoegirltx]

PDF of policy on Trump website www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf

[ESF]

I need to know how these people plan to end birthright citizenship without amending the constitution.

This is yet another example of proposing unrealistic solutions to ill-informed voters.

[2curlydogs]

Aug 17, 2015 15:29:33 GMT -5 zoegirltx said:

In the 6-page report titled "Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again," Trump is calling for an end to birthright citizenship, saying it "remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration."

Wait, so... how does one certify they're a citizen then?

[smock]

Eliminating birthright citizenship would require a Constitutional Amendment because of the 14th Amendment: "The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that 'All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.'" (quoting Wikipedia)

Is Trump saying he's not a fan of the 14th Amendment?

[msmerymac]

The 14th amendment: great when trying to make a fetus a citizen, bad when trying to prevent anchor babies.

[ttt]

Aug 17, 2015 15:34:54 GMT -5 ESF said:

I need to know how these people plan to end birthright citizenship without amending the constitution.

This is yet another example of proposing unrealistic solutions to ill-informed voters.

And after the 14th amendment has been repealed, will everyone lose their citizenship and then have to reapply to get it?

His plan for deporting the entire families of illegal immigrants, is he then proposing that US citizens be deported to other countries, places where they may or may not have citizenship? I am positive * that* will pass constitutional muster.

But then, as we've learned, Trump doesn't have to worry about stuff like that - he just does what he needs to do! Courts and Constitution can't stop a successful businessman like him!

[NewOrleans]

Chris Christie said the same thing the other day.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/christie-no-longer-sure-about-birthright-citizenship

As for the wall... The Romans tried that 200 years BC. LOL. How have we NOT come up with better shit to try than Hadrian's Wall in the past few millennia?

[epphd]

Have we conclusively determined that Trump is not simply an operative for the democratic party, performing an elaborate sort of performance art with the ultimate goal of inspiring a ludicrous game of one-upsmanship of conservative crazy? Because if that were the case then I'd have only to say

[josieposy]

Where did this idea start that Mexico is throwing terrible people over the border so they become our problem?

[heyjude]

Aug 17, 2015 15:41:04 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

The 14th amendment: great when trying to make a fetus a citizen, bad when trying to prevent anchor babies.

Nailed it!!!

[heyjude]

Aug 17, 2015 16:29:55 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Where did this idea start that Mexico is throwing terrible people over the border so they become our problem?

Ann Coulter ------> Trump

[epphd]

I also like that he'd require (how?) Mexico to pay for said wall. I guess he'd make that happen with his massive powers of persuasion?

[epphd]

Aug 17, 2015 16:24:33 GMT -5 epphd said:

Have we conclusively determined that Trump is not simply an operative for the democratic party, performing an elaborate sort of performance art with the ultimate goal of inspiring a ludicrous game of one-upsmanship of conservative crazy? Because if that were the case then I'd have only to say

Wait - it's happening.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/scott-walker-the-u-s-should-absolutely-stop-granting-birthright-citizenship/

Walker, who is governor of Wisconsin, had been repeatedly asked that question earlier in the day, but this time he responded: "Well, like I said, Harry Reid said it’s not right for this country. I think that’s something we should — yeah, absolutely, going forward." In the early 1990s, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation that would have clarified the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and revoked birthright citizenship, a position that the Senate Democratic leader has since abandoned.

Hunt asked him again whether the U.S. should end birthright citizenship, and Walker nodded and responded: "Yeah, to me it’s about enforcing the laws in this country. And I’ve been very clear, I think you enforce the laws, and I think it’s important to send a message that we're going to enforce the laws, no matter how people come here we're going to enforce the laws in this country."

Hunt then asked Walker whether the U.S. should deport the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, at which point Walker said: "I didn’t say that — I said you have to enforce the law, which to me is focusing on e-verify," a system by which employers can check the citizenship status of potential employees.

Asked the same question about birthright citizenship later in the day, Walker reverted to his usual talking points on immigration.

It's like watching a tennis match inside his brain...

[tacosforlife]

Aug 17, 2015 16:43:31 GMT -5 epphd said:

Aug 17, 2015 16:24:33 GMT -5 epphd said:

Have we conclusively determined that Trump is not simply an operative for the democratic party, performing an elaborate sort of performance art with the ultimate goal of inspiring a ludicrous game of one-upsmanship of conservative crazy? Because if that were the case then I'd have only to say

Wait - it's happening.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/scott-walker-the-u-s-should-absolutely-stop-granting-birthright-citizenship/

Walker, who is governor of Wisconsin, had been repeatedly asked that question earlier in the day, but this time he responded: "Well, like I said, Harry Reid said it’s not right for this country. I think that’s something we should — yeah, absolutely, going forward." In the early 1990s, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation that would have clarified the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and revoked birthright citizenship, a position that the Senate Democratic leader has since abandoned.

Hunt asked him again whether the U.S. should end birthright citizenship, and Walker nodded and responded: "Yeah, to me it’s about enforcing the laws in this country. And I’ve been very clear, I think you enforce the laws, and I think it’s important to send a message that we're going to enforce the laws, no matter how people come here we're going to enforce the laws in this country."

Hunt then asked Walker whether the U.S. should deport the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, at which point Walker said: "I didn’t say that — I said you have to enforce the law, which to me is focusing on e-verify," a system by which employers can check the citizenship status of potential employees.

Asked the same question about birthright citizenship later in the day, Walker reverted to his usual talking points on immigration.

It's like watching a tennis match inside his brain...

I think (hope!) that this will ultimately be Walker's downfall. When pressed for details, all he can ever do is fall back on talking points. I know that's true of pretty much every candidate to a degree, but I think ESF is right that we haven't seen someone this bad since Palin.

[gretchenindisguise]

Aug 17, 2015 16:43:31 GMT -5 epphd said:

Aug 17, 2015 16:24:33 GMT -5 epphd said:

Have we conclusively determined that Trump is not simply an operative for the democratic party, performing an elaborate sort of performance art with the ultimate goal of inspiring a ludicrous game of one-upsmanship of conservative crazy? Because if that were the case then I'd have only to say

Wait - it's happening.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/scott-walker-the-u-s-should-absolutely-stop-granting-birthright-citizenship/

Walker, who is governor of Wisconsin, had been repeatedly asked that question earlier in the day, but this time he responded: "Well, like I said, Harry Reid said it’s not right for this country. I think that’s something we should — yeah, absolutely, going forward." In the early 1990s, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation that would have clarified the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and revoked birthright citizenship, a position that the Senate Democratic leader has since abandoned.

Hunt asked him again whether the U.S. should end birthright citizenship, and Walker nodded and responded: "Yeah, to me it’s about enforcing the laws in this country. And I’ve been very clear, I think you enforce the laws, and I think it’s important to send a message that we're going to enforce the laws, no matter how people come here we're going to enforce the laws in this country."

Hunt then asked Walker whether the U.S. should deport the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, at which point Walker said: "I didn’t say that — I said you have to enforce the law, which to me is focusing on e-verify," a system by which employers can check the citizenship status of potential employees.

Asked the same question about birthright citizenship later in the day, Walker reverted to his usual talking points on immigration.

It's like watching a tennis match inside his brain...

Huh. I wonder how he feels about enforcing the laws.[/quote]

[AJL]

How the fuck do we get rid of this guy? Seriously.

[ESF]

Aug 17, 2015 16:56:03 GMT -5 tacosforlife said:

Aug 17, 2015 16:43:31 GMT -5 epphd said:

Wait - it's happening.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/scott-walker-the-u-s-should-absolutely-stop-granting-birthright-citizenship/

It's like watching a tennis match inside his brain...

I think (hope!) that this will ultimately be Walker's downfall. When pressed for details, all he can ever do is fall back on talking points. I know that's true of pretty much every candidate to a degree, but I think ESF is right that we haven't seen someone this bad since Palin.

The more he talks, the more I am astounded at how dumb he is.  We aren't talking run of the mill politician stupid.  This guy is completely vacant. Like, he doesn't even know enough about what he's talking about to even take a stab at bullshitting.  Trump is an idiot but he can bullshit better than any of them.  Sarah Palin is an idiot, but damn did she try her hardest to bullshit.  He can't even rise to that level. He is nothing but the crib sheet passed to him by the Koch brothers.


I think Walker is going to crash and burn before Iowa. There's a huge difference between anti-intellectual and stupid. People want a president that is not smarter than them (or at least presents that way). That doesn't mean they want a president that is dumber than they are.  

Scott Walker might be a guy you have a beer with, but it's because you love playing drinking games and know he's the dumb one that will lose and the rest of the crew will have a good laugh at his expense.

[litebright]

I am really, truly mystified by the mindset here.

I mean, apparently people, or Trump at least, believe that government is capable of identifying, on a massive scale, "remittances from illegal wages" and then "impounding" them -- after identifying both the employer and employee correctly and somehow magically knowing that the employee is in the U.S. illegally, and that any given money transfer to Mexico is a "remittance", because we don't do absolutely any legitimate business with Mexico at all and no actual U.S. citizen has family there that they ever send money to ... but hey, if you steal some brown guy's paycheck accidentally it's NBD anyway, amiright!?!?!? I mean, this would require enormous government invasion of and visibility into ALL private financials (how do you know who's a citizen and who isn't??) -- both individuals' and businesses', on an international scale, in an age of digital banking. I'm pretty sure we don't even have that level of visibility and power over the accounts of terrorists and tax evaders in the vast majority of cases.

I feel like I'm in some kind of twilight zone where people simultaneously hate government and want to burn it to the ground, while attributing godlike, unlimited powers, unconstrained by any law or even the all-important Constitution, to its problem-solving capabilities. It's the logical, more polite extension, I suppose, of the NWO/9/11-was-an-inside-job/Sandy Hook-was-a-hoax-to-take-your-guns nutjobs who believe that government at every level actually somehow has its shit together enough to conspire against its citizens on a regular basis.

[gpw]

I can't even with this fucking asshole's immigration bullshit.

[ginger]

I'm terrified that this is some vote for the worst prank and it's working.

[zoegirltx]

Since Donald Trump came out Sunday against birth right citizenship, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham have followed suit.


talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-birthright-citizenship
en. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Monday agreed with fellow Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump that the U.S. should put an end to birthright citizenship.

"I don’t mind changing that law. I think it’s a bad practice to give citizenship based on birth. We have evidence of people buying tourist visas for the express purpose of coming over here and having a child as birth tourism. I don’t think that’s a good idea," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "But that’s not going to happen until we fix a broken immigration system."

When asked about the proposal again, Graham confirmed to Blitzer that he believes children born in the U.S. to parents who are not citizens should not automatically be granted citizenship.

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-birthright-citizenship

After Donald Trump expressed support for an end to birthright citizenship, fellow Republican presidential candidate Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal quickly followed suit.


Republican presidential candidates have begun to address the issue after Trump proposed changing the way the U.S. grants citizenship as part of his official immigration policy platform. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) also said last week that birthright citizenship should be "re-examined."

[ESF]

Aug 18, 2015 11:53:43 GMT -5 zoegirltx said:

Since Donald Trump came out Sunday against birth right citizenship, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham have followed suit.


talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-birthright-citizenship
en. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Monday agreed with fellow Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump that the U.S. should put an end to birthright citizenship.

"I don’t mind changing that law. I think it’s a bad practice to give citizenship based on birth. We have evidence of people buying tourist visas for the express purpose of coming over here and having a child as birth tourism. I don’t think that’s a good idea," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "But that’s not going to happen until we fix a broken immigration system."

When asked about the proposal again, Graham confirmed to Blitzer that he believes children born in the U.S. to parents who are not citizens should not automatically be granted citizenship.

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-birthright-citizenship

After Donald Trump expressed support for an end to birthright citizenship, fellow Republican presidential candidate Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal quickly followed suit.


Republican presidential candidates have begun to address the issue after Trump proposed changing the way the U.S. grants citizenship as part of his official immigration policy platform. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) also said last week that birthright citizenship should be "re-examined."

LOL that Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham think anyone cares about their positions.