I made it to photo 4 before the tears started. It should be haunting. Full stop. Nothing about the pain, desperation, and fear in these photos is beautiful.
ETA: Sorry to take this thread into a different direction. I just couldn't refrain from commenting.
It never hurts to look. It's not like you're committing to buying. Then you can quiz the realtor about other homes like it on the market, what the neighborhoods are like, etc. Networking is awesome!
If you're looking at a short-distance move, I'd start finding out from people around you what the town are like, what have good reputations good schools, are reasonable commutes into the city (I'd assume you'll want to go in frequently, at least at first), and all the other things you're looking for. People are happy to talk about their towns, or the one that their aunt's friend's sister lives in
I made it to photo 4 before the tears started. It should be haunting. Full stop. Nothing about the pain, desperation, and fear in these photos is beautiful.
ETA: Sorry to take this thread into a different direction. I just couldn't refrain from commenting.
Agreed -- RBP, I'll stop taking it off-track here!
I didn't want to say anything in the ML thread because I didn't want to detract from what that thread was about.
Just don't take Maria away, ok? I want to beg her to come once a week but she's been avoiding that question. Ha.
@choco, you know I adore you, but my eye is definitely moving way to the side about this.
It reminds of posts I see when people call their housekeeper a "girl." Just ask yourself if her name was "Jane" whether you would have included it (and with the clear assumption that everyone would have understood who she was).
@choco, you know I adore you, but my eye is definitely moving way to the side about this.
It reminds of posts I see when people call their housekeeper a "girl." Just ask yourself if her name was "Jane" whether you would have included it (and with the clear assumption that everyone would have understood who she was).
Clearly I have missed something here?
I didn't realize that you referred Maria to choco and therefore also, knew Maria, so I completely misunderstood what was being said.
Is "Maria" a racial slur? I don't see what was offensive about choco's post. I may be obtuse.
No, of course not, it's a name, not a slur. But my point was that if no one on here knew Maria (which is what I incorrectly assumed), then I think it would have been inflammatory to refer her to by her name that way, given the way some people refer to their Latina housekeepers. That's why I posed the question about whether if her name was Jane, if it would have been dropped in the same way (which, of course, given the situation, wasn't an appropriate question). It struck me as bit 10,000 Black Men Named George-ish. But since you know Maria, this was actually just me being intrusive and wrong.
Is "Maria" a racial slur? I don't see what was offensive about choco's post. I may be obtuse.
No, of course not, it's a name, not a slur. But my point was that if no one on here knew Maria (which is what I incorrectly assumed), then I think it would have been inflammatory to refer her to by her name that way, given the way some people refer to their Latina housekeepers. That's why I posed the question about whether if her name was Jane, if it would have been dropped in the same way (which, of course, given the situation, wasn't an appropriate question). It struck me as bit 10,000 Black Men Named George-ish. But since you know Maria, this was actually just me being intrusive and wrong.
Ok--I missed the drama in real time, but it seemed like you and v were quick to pile on choco without understanding her post. Surely you've seen other people on these boards mention things that only one or two others will understand because they know one another IRL. And it seems that after knowing choco for so long, y'all could possible afford her the benefit of the doubt?
I do think choco would have used the name Jane in the same situation.
No, of course not, it's a name, not a slur. But my point was that if no one on here knew Maria (which is what I incorrectly assumed), then I think it would have been inflammatory to refer her to by her name that way, given the way some people refer to their Latina housekeepers. That's why I posed the question about whether if her name was Jane, if it would have been dropped in the same way (which, of course, given the situation, wasn't an appropriate question). It struck me as bit 10,000 Black Men Named George-ish. But since you know Maria, this was actually just me being intrusive and wrong.
Ok--I missed the drama in real time, but it seemed like you and v were quick to pile on choco without understanding her post. Surely you've seen other people on these boards mention things that only one or two others will understand because they know one another IRL. And it seems that after knowing choco for so long, y'all could possible afford her the benefit of the doubt?
I do think choco would have used the name Jane in the same situation.
You're kind of doing the most right now. I wasn't rude to her, I said I was basically trying not to give her the side eye and encouraged her to look at it another way. Now, as it turns out, I was wrong, and for that, I apologized and moreover, I admitted exactly what you said. I was pretty mortified at my misinterpretation because of how I took it, because it was choco, and because I intruded on a private joke. I think I was pretty clear about all of that, so I'm not sure what more you're seeking here? And v didn't do anything but agree that's what she thought the meaning was, so how is that a pile on?
Ok--I missed the drama in real time, but it seemed like you and v were quick to pile on choco without understanding her post. Surely you've seen other people on these boards mention things that only one or two others will understand because they know one another IRL. And it seems that after knowing choco for so long, y'all could possible afford her the benefit of the doubt?
I do think choco would have used the name Jane in the same situation.
You're kind of doing the most right now. I wasn't rude to her, I said I was basically trying not to give her the side eye and encouraged her to look at it another way. Now, as it turns out, I was wrong, and for that, I apologized and moreover, I admitted exactly what you said. I was pretty mortified at my misinterpretation because of how I took it, because it was choco, and because I intruded on a private joke. I think I was pretty clear about all of that, so I'm not sure what more you're seeking here? And v didn't do anything but agree that's what she thought the meaning was, so how is that a pile on?
Ok. It just seemed like a stretch to be offended. No one called anyone a girl or anything besides her name.
I will stop now because I realize it's obnoxious for me to beat a horse that died while I was not here.
Is "Maria" a racial slur? I don't see what was offensive about choco's post. I may be obtuse.
No, of course not, it's a name, not a slur. But my point was that if no one on here knew Maria (which is what I incorrectly assumed), then I think it would have been inflammatory to refer her to by her name that way, given the way some people refer to their Latina housekeepers. That's why I posed the question about whether if her name was Jane, if it would have been dropped in the same way (which, of course, given the situation, wasn't an appropriate question). It struck me as bit 10,000 Black Men Named George-ish. But since you know Maria, this was actually just me being intrusive and wrong.
In less enlightened times, I had a friend in high school who used to call housekeepers "Marias" because it seemed to her that so many were named Maria or thereabouts. (I'm not saying this was a funny or okay joke, at all -- just saying people actually do think things like this.)
Not that I thought choco was using the word "Maria" as a substitute for Jane here, but I suspected (perhaps wrongly, in retrospect) that there was meant to be enough context there for the rest of us to figure out who Maria is rather than being a statement that was meant for only the two of you to get. I had no idea that you shared a housekeeper, but (shame on me) I read it that choco was talking about a housekeeper, even though with a neutral reading Maria could be a member of your book club who normally makes it only every other week or something. Post-racial America.
Post by marathon55 on Aug 31, 2015 23:05:28 GMT -5
Here is how we choose our dream suburb:
1) top or near top schools 2) good community feel, lots of school civic pride 3) busy downtown area with lots of shops and non-chain restaurants. 4) lots of community events during the year. Wine walks, festivals, lunch in park, late night bands 5) we found that a good library and a village band are good signs that the community is intelligent and values education and arts 6) increasing housing values and tear towns that are tasteful indicating successful people are buying into the feel and schools 7) low crime and public transportation into city.
1) top or near top schools 2) good community feel, lots of school civic pride 3) busy downtown area with lots of shops and non-chain restaurants. 4) lots of community events during the year. Wine walks, festivals, lunch in park, late night bands 5) we found that a good library and a village band are good signs that the community is intelligent and values education and arts 6) increasing housing values and tear towns that are tasteful indicating successful people are buying into the feel and schools 7) low crime and public transportation into city.
This sounds great. I know public transit is not a possibility in the areas where we are looking, but the good community feel and busy downtown area are really important to us.
How did you figure these things out? By hanging out in the suburb, internet research, realtor?
One of the towns we are considering is having a fall festival in a couple of weeks, so we are going to go and check it out.
City data is a good site, but also, there are quite a few Atlanta area people on GBCN. Maybe you tag everyone and ask about the area you're considering (understood if you're not comfortable putting that out there). I relied heavily on our agent because we didn't know enough about the area either before buying. I also think what could help is to go somewhere in the area--the park, coffee shop, even the local Target and run up on other moms and ask them. Maybe you spend a couple hours on a Saturday gathering some intel, that's totally worth it. Honestly, though, once you narrow by schools, I think you'll find there's only a few suburbs worth considering anyway.
We're not looking at suburbia in general. There is one specific area that will improve both of our commutes. I'm not sure if that area is "worth considering" (central Gwinnett), but if not we're kind of stuck.
Hi. I'm the rare unicorn - I'm an Atlanta native. I grew up in the Eastern 'burbs, lived in the Northern 'burbs and now I live barely ITP. I'm happy to tell you anything I can if you want to PM me..
I wanted to reiterate city data, which was mentioned by a pp already. The forums there (at least for my state) have a lot of candid, fairly accurate "insider" information/opinions that will give you a better idea than just looking at statistics.
Post by imojoebunny on Sept 1, 2015 22:00:51 GMT -5
I also grew up in Atlanta, and know people who live all over. I think you can find people you enjoy from Berkley Lake to Pine Lake to Milton, to East Cobb to Forsyth, Sandy Springs, and Swanee, and back down to Peachtree City and most points in between. I would start with schools because in Atlanta that is the key to both property values and people like you.
If you haven't been to downtown Lawrenceville lately, go check it out. There are some cute shops and locally owned restaurants. It's not VA-Hi or the Marietta Square, but there are actually things there now unlike 10 years ago.
Also, if private school is an option, you might want to consider other parts of Gwinnett.
If you haven't been to downtown Lawrenceville lately, go check it out. There are some cute shops and locally owned restaurants. It's not VA-Hi or the Marietta Square, but there are actually things there now unlike 10 years ago.
Also, if private school is an option, you might want to consider other parts of Gwinnett.
Private school is an option, but there is zero chance that I'm driving ITP to bring the kid to school. And going north of I-85 will make my commute worse than it is now.