What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Oath Keepers + Kim Davis

[debatethis]

The title is mine but this is ridiculous.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/oath-keepers-offers-kentuckys-kim-davis-security-detail

Oath Keepers offers Kentucky’s Kim Davis a ‘security detail’
As right-wing groups go, the Oath Keepers organization is more alarming than most. The group says its members – former military, police and first responders – pledge to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” And while that hardly sounds objectionable, it’s how the organization perceives its duties that’s unsettling.

A few months ago, for example, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes told a conservative gathering that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) should be tried for treason and “hung by the neck until dead” for going “along with the program of the destruction of this country.”

A month later, Rhodes was in New York, insisting that President Obama is “trying to” create “a race war.” He added, “[T]he leftists in this country hate this country, they hate it, and they will get in bed with radical Islamists because they have a common enemy, western civilization.”

We last saw very well armed Oath Keepers activists carrying assault rifles in Ferguson, Missouri, and stationing themselves outside military-recruitment centers in Chattanooga. But this week, as Right Wing Watch reported, the Oath Keepers organization offered a “security detail” for anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes announced [Wednesday] that he had reached out to Davis’ lawyers at Liberty Counsel to offer the protection of his group, which he says is already forming a presence in Rowan County, Kentucky, where Davis was recently released from jail after prohibiting her office from issuing marriage licenses. Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.

In a phone call with Jackson County, Kentucky, Sheriff Denny Peyman and other local Oath Keepers activists, Rhodes said that he was on his way to Kentucky to help with the Davis operation.

Just so we’re clear, the Oath Keepers group isn’t offering protection for Davis from potentially dangerous critics. This is a situation in which Oath Keepers intend to “protect” Davis from American law enforcement if she defies the law and faces arrest again.

As far as the right-wing organization is concerned, Davis, who was jailed on a contempt-of-court charge last week, should never have been detained. With the very real possibility that the clerk will again defy court orders, and face jail time once more, the Oath Keepers’ Stewart Rhodes says his group is prepared to intervene.

“[T]his judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to,” he said.

In other words, if Davis defies court orders, and a judge orders U.S. Marshals to take the clerk into custody, well armed Oath Keepers activists intend to stand in the way of the legal process – as if it’s up to Oath Keepers, not American courts, to determine how the justice system should operate.

What this group is describing is the prospect of an armed confrontation between law enforcement and right-wing activists who believe Kim Davis should be allowed to ignore laws she doesn’t like.

Much of this, of course, is speculative. Maybe Davis will start honoring her oath of office and court orders. Maybe she’ll get a different job. Perhaps the Oath Keepers are just posturing and the group has no intention of picking a dangerous fight. Who knows, maybe Davis and her allies will tell the right-wing organization, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

But for now, the scenario Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes described is troubling, to put it mildly.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Well, this is frightening.

[IIOY]

I'm assuming these people are white, which means nothing will happen. We all know that militant white folks with guns who confront government agents never face penalties for their actions.

[josieposy]

[WOT?*]

Well, their website certainly is cheery.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Plus all the anti-Obama, nationalization tin-foil-hat articles, and more, including my favorite "New leadership in Missouri and March (on Ferguson) Update."

[aurora]

Sept 11, 2015 12:14:09 GMT -5 WOT?* said:

Well, their website certainly is cheery.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Plus all the anti-Obama, nationalization tin-foil-hat articles, and more, including my favorite "New leadership in Missouri and March (on Ferguson) Update."

Their list sounds a bit like a 3-year-old's manifesto: No, No, No!

What WILL they do?

[notreal]

Sept 11, 2015 12:14:09 GMT -5 WOT?* said:

Well, their website certainly is cheery.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Plus all the anti-Obama, nationalization tin-foil-hat articles, and more, including my favorite "New leadership in Missouri and March (on Ferguson) Update."

We will do none of these things if you are a white, Christian. You know, a REAL American.  Anyone else should just go back where they came from.

Also, why would they be in a position to do any of these things to begin with?

They are weird.

[WOT?*]

You go to the website and click on the "more details" or something button about the manifesto and it gives paragraphs of reasonings behind why they think they can do what they claim...since 1776. It's pretty scary.

[eponinepontmercy]

Sept 11, 2015 14:37:47 GMT -5 Catlawdy said:

They're sovereign citizens.
www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

Of course they are.

They are domestic terrorists. They are a lot scarier than any foreign terrorist group, IMO.  

[WOT?*]

Sept 11, 2015 14:49:09 GMT -5 eponinepontmercy said:

Sept 11, 2015 14:37:47 GMT -5 Catlawdy said:

They're sovereign citizens.
www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

Of course they are.

They are domestic terrorists. They are a lot scarier than any foreign terrorist group, IMO.  

You should see the groups they're "friends" with - Tenth Amendment, Fully Informed Jurists, Gun Owners of America, Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, SWAT magazine, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms...  (Take my word for it and don't give them the clicks.)

The BOD includes several retired military and police and one active duty (Houston, also "National Liaison for Peace Officers" whatever that is.)  A treasure trove of right wing extremism in all its glory.