I know this isn't the popular thought and teachers hate when it's mentioned, but isn't it also true these numbers are for working ~17% less than traditional full time (52 weeks-12 holidays-2 weeks leave)?
A step 0 gets 37k in my city for 187 days.
Edit: I can't math. I'm now coming up with it being appx 21% less.
Lol. No. We just take our 10months of pay and spread it out over 12 months.
My mom isn't a teacher but works for the public school system-she does this as well-spreads her pay out so she gets checks in the summer. Even then she always winds up with a few weeks with no pay right before school restarts.
I think my state offer the full 12 months - I saw that one the guide for salaries.
Does that mean summer school teaching? Or what?
I know my principal and dean of students were at the school alllll summer. They didn't get summer break.
In our district teachers can opt to have their pay divided by 52 weeks, to ensure steady income, or by (I can't math--40???) weeks and only receive pay checks during the school year. Yearly income is the same either way.
I know this isn't the popular thought and teachers hate when it's mentioned, but isn't it also true these numbers are for working ~17% less than traditional full time (52 weeks-12 holidays-2 weeks leave)?
A step 0 gets 37k in my city for 187 days.
Edit: I can't math. I'm now coming up with it being appx 21% less.
Lol. No. We just take our 10months of pay and spread it out over 12 months.
I'm referring to the number of days worked, not when one elects to receive a paycheck.
I think my state offer the full 12 months - I saw that one the guide for salaries.
Does that mean summer school teaching? Or what?
I know my principal and dean of students were at the school alllll summer. They didn't get summer break.
Full 12 month salaries are usually for admin. They only get a couple of weeks off in July.
Summer school is paid differently. A 9 month teacher who teaches summer school gets extra money for doing so, but they're still on a 9 month contract. I might help with testing in June, so I'll get my regular pay, plus an hourly wage for the hours I am proctoring.
I think our teachers make as little as $28k - $32k starting out.
This is accurate in my area. Most ladies I know make around $33-$34K a year now and they've been teaching since we graduated college (about 10 years now).
We calculated out Eric's pay if he was to be paid hourly with his monthly pay (no overtime because he doesn't get any.) During football season Eric gets paid LESS than min wage. It is sickening.
Does he not get anything extra for coaching? That sucks.
Post by steamboat185 on Oct 6, 2015 9:47:26 GMT -5
40k to start and it tops out around 80k. MCOL maybe lower end of HCOL. I have friends who teach IN Boston who make over 100k, but I'm sure that is a hard job.
I'm referring to the number of days worked, not when one elects to receive a paycheck.
I'm just telling you, you are straight up wrong. We are paid a daily rate. So our annual salary is our daily rate X the number of contract days. That final product is then divided by 12 months instead of 10 months. We are required to do trainings during the summer for no additional pay. We receive no overtime. Yesterday I was on campus from 6:30am to 5pm. My contract hours are 7-2:40. Did I get an additional pay for staying, no.
Honestly if you want to keep going with this nonsense I can do this all damn day. But really, you should just stop.
Not sure what nonsense I'm spewing; I asked a question. I'm also referring to annual salary, so whether it is divided by 10 or 12 is irrelevant.
I'm referring to the number of days worked, not when one elects to receive a paycheck.
I'm just telling you, you are straight up wrong. We are paid a daily rate. So our annual salary is our daily rate X the number of contract days. That final product is then divided by 12 months instead of 10 months. We are required to do trainings during the summer for no additional pay. We receive no overtime. Yesterday I was on campus from 6:30am to 5pm. My contract hours are 7-2:40. Did I get an additional pay for staying, no.
Honestly if you want to keep going with this nonsense I can do this all damn day. But really, you should just stop.
I do think teachers are underpaid.
But I don't get the argument about the hours. Any salaried employee with some responsibilities will do unpaid overtime. Nights, weekends, etc. It's just part of having a job, no? I'm a professor and I am constantly answering emails, working, thinking outside of normal work hours. DH is a director of accounting policies in a big company and works nights and weekends all the time. What's so different about teachers?
Not sure what nonsense I'm spewing; I asked a question. I'm also referring to annual salary, so whether it is divided by 10 or 12 is irrelevant.
You said you weren't even sure, "because you can't Math" but you still rolled into a thread where the majority of teachers or others are discussing the gross low teacher pay in their states. Are you unaware of your audience or are you just tone deaf to the tone is this thread?
I explained that we get paid for the days we work. Holidays, summers, etc are not paid. We are paid for the 187 days in our contract. That week at Thanksgivinng is not free paid time off. Our 187 days of pay is just spread throughout the entire year so we get a paycheck every month.
Yeah, I completely get that. 187 working days is appx 21% less working days that someone working 12 months months with 12 holidays and 2 weeks vacation. I understand holidays are not considered working days. I didn't say I wasn't sure because I can't math. I was asking clarification on if it was correct that the salaries quoted were for working 187 days. I'm not sure what I divided wrong the first time to come up with 17% less; that is when I came back to correct to 21% less. I'm not doubting that teachers work hard and have some unpaid hours due to being a salary employee. Just pointing out that a 37k salary is equal to 45k when comparing apples to apples (if it was true that the salary was for working 187 days).
I started out at 27K in 1995. I'm currently at 85K in my 21st year. I think it tops out at 90K. HCOL, and weirdly enough, this particular district is the second lowest paying one in the area. We're so big, they can't keep salaries up.
I don't know what starting teachers make, but my mom retiring making well over $100K. She has two master's degrees plus 60 hours toward a doctorate, and her district paid according to experience and educational level. Between meetings and summer trainings and getting her classroom ready (they were always moving her around) she pretty much worked all summer. And while she did get home around 4, she left the house before 7, and did lesson plans and corrected homework at home, so, yeah, she was working a full time job not even taking into account all the late nights for parent teacher conferences and events.
DH teaches at a public high school in the MSP suburbs. He has 10 years of experience and a master's degree and he makes ~$50K base. With coaching and summer school it's about $60K.
I'm at a private school in Seattle. I have three masters degrees and I've been teaching for 12 years. I earn less than $70k, which, I believe is about 95% of what the equivalent would be in our public schools.
At my school, the base salary for a new teacher is $35k.
But I don't get the argument about the hours. Any salaried employee with some responsibilities will do unpaid overtime. Nights, weekends, etc. It's just part of having a job, no? I'm a professor and I am constantly answering emails, working, thinking outside of normal work hours. DH is a director of accounting policies in a big company and works nights and weekends all the time. What's so different about teachers?
Well it's salaried yes. BUT we are also sign a contract stating our hours. However, my district does give comp days for parent teacher and such.
Again, a lot of jobs are like that. I've had two salaried jobs before this one, and my stated hours were 40 hours a week. I often did 60+, with no overtime pay or comped days.
Yeah, I completely get that. 187 working days is appx 21% less working days that someone working 12 months months with 12 holidays and 2 weeks vacation. I understand holidays are not considered working days. I didn't say I wasn't sure because I can't math. I was asking clarification on if it was correct that the salaries quoted were for working 187 days. I'm not sure what I divided wrong the first time to come up with 17% less; that is when I came back to correct to 21% less. I'm not doubting that teachers work hard and have some unpaid hours due to being a salary employee. Just pointing out that a 37k salary is equal to 45k when comparing apples to apples (if it was true that the salary was for working 187 days).
but it really isn't apples to apples. I am just going to add you to spreadsheet and keep it moving.
Again, a lot of jobs are like that. I've had two salaried jobs before this one, and my stated hours were 40 hours a week. I often did 60+, with no overtime pay or comped days.
My argument was that some jobs are eligible for OT but we are not. At all. I know there are other jobs that are like that but we are specifically referring to teachers pay and contracts.
I get what you are saying. And again I definitely think teachers are underpaid. I've just never had a job that paid overtime in my entire career so I guess my view is biased.
I'm not sure why high school teachers are paid so much more than elementary school. Is that universal or just our district?
Because I could probably swing being a HS teacher, but elementary seems so much more labor intensive and draining.
Also, maybe it's district-specific, but the teachers I know only work a couple extra days in the summer. I'm sorry to hear that's not true everywhere. I would think that not paying for summer child care would be a major perk/benefit of teaching, but it sounds like that's not universally true based on some of these posts.
Post by sparkythelawyer on Oct 6, 2015 10:18:00 GMT -5
I looked up my district salaries, as well as a district nearby where they are striking over salaries and benefits. In both cases, starting salaries for a bachelors degree and no years of experience seems to be about 42. Not a killing, but enough to keep a roof over your head. Thanks to the union for the striking teachers posting comparable salaries for the surrounding districts, I can see that 42 seems about the median for the area. Everything from 37 - 47 seems to be in play for new teachers.
If there is a ceiling for teacher pay in my area I can't figure out what it is. Both the districts I looked at had many teachers listed as making over 6 figures. I can't tell how much of their pay is augmented by coaching or other supplemental activities. A friend of mine in Chicago public schools with a masters and 12 years of experience is making about 90.
We are a fairly high COL area, but a lot cheaper once you get out to the suburbs. However, at least salary wise, the teachers seem to be making decent money in my neck of the woods.
I'm not sure why high school teachers are paid so much more than elementary school. Is that universal or just our district?
Because I could probably swing being a HS teacher, but elementary seems so much more labor intensive and draining.
Also, maybe it's district-specific, but the teachers I know only work a couple extra days in the summer. I'm sorry to hear that's not true everywhere. I would think that not paying for summer child care would be a major perk/benefit of teaching, but it sounds like that's not universally true based on some of these posts.
My district isn't like that. I get paid the same as my elementary counselor friend, as do the teachers. Our pay is based on education and time in the position.
I'm not sure why high school teachers are paid so much more than elementary school. Is that universal or just our district?
Because I could probably swing being a HS teacher, but elementary seems so much more labor intensive and draining.
Also, maybe it's district-specific, but the teachers I know only work a couple extra days in the summer. I'm sorry to hear that's not true everywhere. I would think that not paying for summer child care would be a major perk/benefit of teaching, but it sounds like that's not universally true based on some of these posts.
In my (edit: the district my kids are in) district, there are 6 days built in over the summer as part of the 187 working days. I know one of them requires late hours for the open house. Not sure how many days of training/preparation teachers put in outside of the other 5 days.
I'm not a teacher, but I don't really get why everyone seems to think that because they were once a student or they know a teacher, they know what the reality of a teacher's job and responsibilities are, and based on that, form an opinion on whether or not they are paid fairly. I mean, I've seen a lot of doctors in my life and have good friends who are doctors, but just because I've had appointments with them and understand on a high level what they do, I'm not equipped to determine whether their pay is fair or not.
I think some teachers are underpaid and some are paid fairly.
In our district, a BA starts at $47 and tops out at $60. MA starts at $52 and tops out at $98. Plus 30 starts at $53, tops out at $102. Plus 60 starts at $55 and tops out at $105. You top out at 25 years experience (that's if you get a step increase each year, but those are often put on hold during cut backs). But, you get no step increases at all for the 5 years preceding that, so your salary is likely frozen during that time, particularly if the union hasn't negotiated any raises, which is fairly common these days.
II would think that not paying for summer child care would be a major perk/benefit of teaching, but it sounds like that's not universally true based on some of these posts.
I can say that where I live, HCOL, major metro area, it's very difficult to find childcare that will let you drop over the summer. When people get on wait lists before they even get pregnant, and there are long lists, few places will let you drop over the summer, without risking your spot and having to get back on the wait list.
Of course, once the kids are school aged, you get the savings of not having to pay for summer care then, but it's not a given beforehand.