Has anyone....

[Deleted]

...followed the incidents going on the national ML/MM/CEP boards?

Thoughts? Discussions? 

[dana86]

I saw the bit about someone getting an anonymous box and agree that's way out of line to hunt down ones info just to send something like that. Besides that I do t know the before story or real details.

[mkate710]

Nope... Any chance of getting some cliff notes?

[spa]

I apparently missed the package delivery... I only read the chicken vs technology thread, and then the ML thread about the MMM thread

Edit: after a lot of reading that is fucked up... I am at a loss for words

[mkate710]

Thank you kooshball.

That is incredibly messed up.

[joenali]

I just can't engage with the crazy. Someone posted that if you aren't engaged in the conversation than something is wrong with you.

I enjoy coming to the boards, but I can't engage with the heavy drama.

[Deleted]

I am really appalled by the actions taken by someone sending that poor woman that package, but at this time I can just sit back and learn what I can do to make this world a better place going forward.

[tacocat]

I have been following it but haven't responded because I am so behind it feels off. It is so awful that someone would treat someone that way and invade their personal life.

[joenali]

Jan 31, 2016 21:18:11 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Jan 31, 2016 20:48:56 GMT -5 joenali said:

I just can't engage with the crazy. Someone posted that if you aren't engaged in the conversation than something is wrong with you.

I enjoy coming to the boards, but I can't engage with the heavy drama.

I think it's fine not to engage in the drama but to also recognize that your privilege is the reason you don't have to engage in it. Silence is a luxury that we (white people) get to have.

/end deep thoughts and all

No. I'm silent because I'm on a message board. I choose to not engage because it's a message board, I can engage when I want and how I want. Privilege has nothing to do with it.

[joenali]

Jan 31, 2016 22:20:08 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:08:49 GMT -5 joenali said:

No. I'm silent because I'm on a message board. I choose to not engage because it's a message board, I can engage when I want and how I want. Privilege has nothing to do with it.

No, you are silent because you are not one of the WOC that were targeted and had micro aggressions tossed at them. (Or in some cases macro aggressions)

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

[joenali]

Lol!

[joenali]

You are way too invested.

[joenali]

Here they come! See ya!

[joenali]

Too much time on your hands!

[Deleted]

Well hopefully this means we've lost another asshole and racially insensitive poster. Keep it going, come at me bro!

Hopefully this gets shared on health and fitness so she is appropriately shunned there also and never returns.

[WOT?*]

joenali I'm sad and ashamed to see this from you. Smo was personally targeted, through no fault of her own. Kirkette was targeted and harassed. This is an important, ongoing conversation to have. I'm sorry you don't see that, and even sorrier to see you making light of it. It makes me feel all sorts of ways I don't want to feel about you. It's not cute, it's not clever and it's not funny. The flippancy is hurtful and hateful to an entire community. And right now isn't the time for it. I've met you. I liked the person I met, and I know you're capable of better.

If you don't want to engage with the heavy discussions, then ignore them but don't be blasé about what happened. "I don't want to engage" means please just don't engage. It's a message board. Scroll past. Don't post. Ignore the discussions. That is how you "don't engage." I've always thought better of you since meeting you irl. But this is hurtful toward the women who have been maliciously targeted and to women of color on this board who have had to fend off these comments and behaviors for their entire lives. I'd like to see the person I met, not this person, here.

[kirra]

Jan 31, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5 joenali said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:20:08 GMT -5 kooshball said:

No, you are silent because you are not one of the WOC that were targeted and had micro aggressions tossed at them. (Or in some cases macro aggressions)

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

Off the top of my head, you're posted your profession, the age group you teach, the area you live in, the rough age of your SS, the races you participate in, and your photo. I'm pretty sure people could find your address, but they could definitely find your workplace.

We all post identifying information, and I think that sometimes we forget how all those little pieces add up. I'm sure people could find me, just as they could find most posters if they put enough work into it.

And all of that is assuming that you're not friends with anyone from GBCN on Facebook- because if you are, your profile will show up to other board members as someone you many know.

It's just not as simple as "be vigilant with your information."

[jene]

Jan 31, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5 joenali said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:20:08 GMT -5 kooshball said:

No, you are silent because you are not one of the WOC that were targeted and had micro aggressions tossed at them. (Or in some cases macro aggressions)

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

JFC, you are being such a dick right now. 

[tacocat]

Jan 31, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5 joenali said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:20:08 GMT -5 kooshball said:

No, you are silent because you are not one of the WOC that were targeted and had micro aggressions tossed at them. (Or in some cases macro aggressions)

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

Way to shame the victim here. I can't believe this.

[namasteak]

Feb 1, 2016 0:28:20 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

Feb 1, 2016 0:27:31 GMT -5 kooshball said:

I would just like to say that the Seattle ladies are really awesome. I have made great long term friends here and hope that what's her name doesn't impact people's view of this board.

No way! It's one person and she was appropriately shamed.

Agreed! Y'all were awesome when I planned my trip and when Dh thought he might get transferred few years ago.

[skwcm80]

joenali I'm not one to say this typically, but I am now. Fuck off! You can't be bothered to follow what's gone on, but you have the gall to blame the victim. The fact that you can treat this violation with such carelessness is enough to show me that you aren't the kind of person I never want to associate with.

[tacocat]

Jan 31, 2016 22:26:38 GMT -5 joenali said:

You are way too invested.

It's not being over invested to care that someone has been violated like this.

[missmaddie]

Feb 1, 2016 8:46:52 GMT -5 kirra said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5 joenali said:

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

Off the top of my head, you're posted your profession, the age group you teach, the area you live in, the rough age of your SS, the races you participate in, and your photo. I'm pretty sure people could find your address, but they could definitely find your workplace.

We all post identifying information, and I think that sometimes we forget how all those little pieces add up. I'm sure people could find me, just as they could find most posters if they put enough work into it.

And all of that is assuming that you're not friends with anyone from GBCN on Facebook- because if you are, your profile will show up to other board members as someone you many know.

It's just not as simple as "be vigilant with your information."

And I think the outside of her house lit up at Christmas (if I am confusing posters, I fully apologize).

Smo should not have to take any responsibility for not being vigilant enough. That's absurd.

[fuckyourcouch]

joenali, what the fuck? 
If you can't be bothered to keep up with what happened, fine, but don't open your mouth about it then. Don't chastise others for caring about something so terrible. 
Your attitude in this thread is incredibly flippant and disappointing. 
 h&f has @kirkette's back here, even though most of that board doesn't venture elsewhere. 

[tacocat]

Feb 1, 2016 0:14:15 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Jan 31, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5 joenali said:

Oh boy. I can't even fucking follow the whole thing. It's crazy. It's ridiculous and it's a message board. People should be more vigilant with their private information.

Really, joenali , really? 
How long have we been online pals? Since like the inception, of the H&F Nest Board? I think you've known me since before Mr.Kirkette and I actually got married. Nine years this spring. 

You've got to open your eyes. This wasn't online drama. I don't get into online squabbles. 
This was blatant racism, that extended for a series of years, effected multiple posters of color, and crossed over to impact the real lives, of at least 2 (and counting) posters. 

My family is public, so it's not about the information. It's the malicious intent, and targeting that was appalling. 

*I'm truly sorry from my unscheduled interruption, of the on-goings, of the Seattle Board. My apologies, for my rude  entrance. I'm going to moonwalk on out of here. Thanks, and keep fighting the good fight, kooshball . You're forever my girl! * 

No apologies needed. I'm sorry that this happened on our board

[jene]

Feb 1, 2016 0:29:52 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I also linked this post in one of the ML posts since I know she posts there occasionally. And wandering is right. This needs to be posted in H&F.

I posted it on H&F

[thejen626]

joenali

Do you remember giving me a ride back to the hotel, after the West Seattle GTG a few years back? I'm a normal person, so I didn't stockpile your information to use against you years later. However, if I was a psycho, I would have had the make and model of your car, and your license plate number. I could have easily gotten in my car and followed you home and had your address. I could do a lot of damage with that info.

Should you have been more vigilant?

[underwaterrhymes]

I would also like to point out that joenali, like many of us, has posted her picture here. I don't know the level of her presence on social media, but many of us know and are friends with people we met through this board on Facebook.

All it takes is an asshole seeing your photo and name in the "People you may know" section and a quick Google search.



A lack of vigilance is not the problem here.

[water*drop]

Frankly, it doesn't matter if smo had posted her full name and address for all to see. That still wouldn't even come close to excusing what happened. Targeting other people is never okay, regardless of how much effort the harasser has to put into the search for the victim.

[Deleted]

Feb 1, 2016 12:26:36 GMT -5 water*drop said:

Frankly, it doesn't matter if smo had posted her full name and address for all to see. That still wouldn't even come close to excusing what happened. Targeting other people is never okay, regardless of how much effort the harasser has to put into the search for the victim.

QFT