NCEP: Who is the transportation person?

[OscarQ]

I am looking for a study / analysis that was done fairly recently - within the past five years - on cities and off-street parking. My memory is that it was a bad design and should not be encouraged.

I have a NIMBY situation and want to cite that study.

Thanks in advance if you can put your finger on it.  And I'll be offline all afternoon and may not be able to get back on until late tonight/early tomorrow (but my swiss cheese memory won't remember to ask about this tomorrow).  Thanks!

[twotrue]

Maybe wawa can help.

[Bad Dingo]

www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/transportation/td_parking.shtml

Here are a bunch of NYC parking studies, not sure if they are quite what you are looking for.

[wawa]

There is tons of literature about how requiring/encouraging the construction of copious amounts of off-street parking is terrible urban planning.

Is that what you mean? Like, somebody wants to build something with reduced parking and people are freaking the fuck out because OMG WHERE WILL THE CARS GO?!!??

I'll be back with some links.


Thanks for the tag twotrue

[InBetweenDays]

Feb 4, 2016 14:22:43 GMT -5 wawa said:

There is tons of literature about how requiring/encouraging the construction of copious amounts of off-street parking is terrible urban planning.

Is that what you mean? Like, somebody wants to build something with reduced parking and people are freaking the fuck out because OMG WHERE WILL THE CARS GO?!!??

I'll be back with some links.


Thanks for the tag twotrue

This is like a weekly occurrence on our neighborhood blog when they post a development report I'd LOVE to see the studies because street parking has gotten crazy around here.

[wawa]

Ok, I give up. I can't find shit. Work is a little crazy today.

Sorry I'm failing here.

This is sort of the grandfather work on how providing parking out the wazoo sucks: www.uctc.net/research/papers/351.pdf

but it's not the study you're looking for since it's old.

If you just want some talking points, assuming you're on the side of being ok with less off-street parking, I'd search the ULI website and the strong towns blog.

[OscarQ]

Feb 4, 2016 14:22:43 GMT -5 wawa said:

There is tons of literature about how requiring/encouraging the construction of copious amounts of off-street parking is terrible urban planning.

Is that what you mean? Like, somebody wants to build something with reduced parking and people are freaking the fuck out because OMG WHERE WILL THE CARS GO?!!??

I'll be back with some links.


Thanks for the tag twotrue

Thank you! I was working at a camp fair and was offline for awhile

It's kind of even crazier than that scenario. It is an existing nursing home in an urban neighborhood. They have a small parking lot and there is decent on street parking during the day within a two block radius. Even better beyond that point. I WFH so I see that parking is not an issue. They want to tear down four houses on the next block up from mine and out in a parking lot with eight parking spaces and an ambulance loading/unloading area.

Really what they need to do is either redesign their existing parking lot to accommodate the ambulance pick up/ drop off or they need to have the street in front of their building marked as ambulance parking only.

Of course I fully admit I'm total NIMBY on this but I've had family in this nursing home and we chose it so they'd be close to us. To me, that's choosing an urban setting and if you want easy parking, pick a suburban home. I may be totally in the wrong on this issue and if so, sort me out. But it seems silly to be all OMG this 100 year old plus home must now come with parking. No, you can walk a block or two. Won't kill you.

I suggested they revamp the existing lot to a comodate the ambulances and also a valet parking stand. BOOM! Job creation!

[FloFTW]

Have there been public meetings on this yet? What is the municipality's view?

Agree that ULI would be a great resource. Especially your local chapter, depending on where you live.

[wawa]

Feb 4, 2016 20:10:49 GMT -5 OscarQ said:

Feb 4, 2016 14:22:43 GMT -5 wawa said:

There is tons of literature about how requiring/encouraging the construction of copious amounts of off-street parking is terrible urban planning.

Is that what you mean? Like, somebody wants to build something with reduced parking and people are freaking the fuck out because OMG WHERE WILL THE CARS GO?!!??

I'll be back with some links.


Thanks for the tag twotrue

Thank you! I was working at a camp fair and was offline for awhile

It's kind of even crazier than that scenario. It is an existing nursing home in an urban neighborhood. They have a small parking lot and there is decent on street parking during the day within a two block radius. Even better beyond that point. I WFH so I see that parking is not an issue. They want to tear down four houses on the next block up from mine and out in a parking lot with eight parking spaces and an ambulance loading/unloading area.

Really what they need to do is either redesign their existing parking lot to accommodate the ambulance pick up/ drop off or they need to have the street in front of their building marked as ambulance parking only.

Of course I fully admit I'm total NIMBY on this but I've had family in this nursing home and we chose it so they'd be close to us. To me, that's choosing an urban setting and if you want easy parking, pick a suburban home. I may be totally in the wrong on this issue and if so, sort me out. But it seems silly to be all OMG this 100 year old plus home must now come with parking. No, you can walk a block or two. Won't kill you.

I suggested they revamp the existing lot to a comodate the ambulances and also a valet parking stand. BOOM! Job creation!

Oh, that is a weird situation. I'm totally on your side, with the caveat that ADA issues are tricksy, so without seeing the site I can't 100% say that this solution is over the top, but it sure sounds like it.

[wawa]

I'm not sure this helps you, but it's the most nerdy, yet accessible and interesting thing I found -

www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/the-strongest-case-yet-that-excessive-parking-causes-more-driving/423663/?utm_source=SFFB

It's things like this that occasionally actually make me want to go back for an advanced degree. Except I Like seeing things I planned actually get built rather than just write papers about them, so...no. But still.

ETA:  I'm mostly posting this because I think FloFTW and anybody else into stats and/or epidemiology (epphd) or just likes explaining correlation and causation to people will get a kick out of it.  Also maybe ttt  (I've started recommending Traffic to people now btw, it's really a well done book)

[OscarQ]

wawa, Thank you! I feel kind of bad - and yes, there may be ADA considerations - being all WALK. But seriously, this seems like they're making a mountain out of a molehill. I appreciate all the links and I have a kid free evening tonight to read them. Thanks again!

[wawa]

Feb 5, 2016 10:29:01 GMT -5 OscarQ said:

wawa , Thank you! I feel kind of bad - and yes, there may be ADA considerations - being all WALK. But seriously, this seems like they're making a mountain out of a molehill. I appreciate all the links and I have a kid free evening tonight to read them. Thanks again!

I mean, maybe it's a matter of putting the funds they would sink into the parking lot into really totally revamping their existing parking area and working with the city to make the sidewalks and street directly in front more accessible.  It's not unusual for people to jump straight to 'THIS ISN'T WORKING.  WE NEED MORE SPACE' when actually they *could* fix what they've got with the same amount of money and some more creativity. 

If you want to PM me with details I'd do some google street view creepystalking and give you a slightly more informed opinion, but totally understand if you don't want to do that. 

[OscarQ]

Feb 5, 2016 10:50:09 GMT -5 wawa said:

Feb 5, 2016 10:29:01 GMT -5 OscarQ said:

wawa , Thank you! I feel kind of bad - and yes, there may be ADA considerations - being all WALK. But seriously, this seems like they're making a mountain out of a molehill. I appreciate all the links and I have a kid free evening tonight to read them. Thanks again!

I mean, maybe it's a matter of putting the funds they would sink into the parking lot into really totally revamping their existing parking area and working with the city to make the sidewalks and street directly in front more accessible.  It's not unusual for people to jump straight to 'THIS ISN'T WORKING.  WE NEED MORE SPACE' when actually they *could* fix what they've got with the same amount of money and some more creativity. 

If you want to PM me with details I'd do some google street view creepystalking and give you a slightly more informed opinion, but totally understand if you don't want to do that. 

Totally will PM you. They sent a proposed plan yesterday via NextDoor so let me see if I can save that and share it with you.  Thanks!