Sanders under investigation by the FEC

[karinothing]

Everyone's a little corrupt


www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fec-launches-inquiry-into-hundreds-of-excessive-contributions-to-bernie-sanders-campaign/23817/

[eclaires]

Lmao! I'm sure this is a conspiracy too. And just an innocent mistake! Like the data breach thing.

This fucking guy...

[pixy0stix]

Sounds like someone who is part of the establishment would do

[laurack]

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

[underwaterrhymes]

Well well well.

[karinothing]

Feb 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5 laurack said:

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

Because I saw the other one first and did not Google more articles

[isabel]

Oh snap.

But explain this in more detail to me. What exactly are they questioning? That specific individuals have donated to his campaign too often?

[karinothing]

Feb 14, 2016 9:59:43 GMT -5 isabel said:

Oh snap.

But explain this in more detail to me. What exactly are they questioning? That specific individuals have donated to his campaign too often?

Yes. And really I used to work in FEC compliance it isn't hard. Their is software that tags similar names and addresses. This is really just lazy compliance.

[heyjude]

Tin foil crazy hat time...

My h and I theorize he's secretly getting Koch money.

[thejackpot]

I wonder if he will talk about the small donations that are fueling his campaign now that there is an open investigation.

[meshaliuknits]

Feb 14, 2016 10:05:27 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Tin foil crazy hat time...

My h and I theorize he's secretly getting Koch money.

That's a fantastic foil hat theory!

[heyjude]

Feb 14, 2016 10:08:20 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:05:27 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Tin foil crazy hat time...

My h and I theorize he's secretly getting Koch money.

That's a fantastic foil hat theory!

Right?? And doesn't the reporting inaccuracies play into that theory?!

[isabel]

I'm almost 100% certain the bros are going to come out in force to talk about how the establishment is just trying to take Bernie down.

[josieposy]

So a lot of middle class people have $2,700+ to give a political candidate?

[aurora]

Feb 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5 laurack said:

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

which also says he is under investigation.

[NewOrleans]

Feb 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5 laurack said:

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

FYI, the article you're scorning is quoting directly from the primary source, which it also links.  Is use of a primary source alarmist, in your sage opinion?  

[laurack]

Feb 14, 2016 10:35:47 GMT -5 aurora said:

Feb 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5 laurack said:

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

which also says he is under investigation.

Yes it does, my point was that the story chosen was an alarmist article from a lesser known site instead of the more "reasonable" article from the well known and well respected NYT

I'm certainly not saying it's not true that he is being investigated.

[laurack]

Feb 14, 2016 10:42:19 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Feb 14, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5 laurack said:

Dailynewsbin? Why not link the much less alarmist New York Times article about it?

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/

FYI, the article you're scorning is quoting directly from the primary source, which it also links.  Is use of a primary source alarmist, in your sage opinion?  

Not at all.

[iamlaila]

Feb 14, 2016 10:03:08 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Feb 14, 2016 9:59:43 GMT -5 isabel said:

Oh snap.

But explain this in more detail to me. What exactly are they questioning? That specific individuals have donated to his campaign too often?

Yes. And really I used to work in FEC compliance it isn't hard. Their is software that tags similar names and addresses. This is really just lazy compliance.

What is the penalty if the Sanders campaign does not respond to this by the deadline? 

It also seems like it is not just a matter of some giving too large of contributions but there are also issues regarding staff reimbursement for travel (that it was not properly documented) as well as illegal contributions from foreign nationals.

[NewOrleans]

Feb 14, 2016 10:42:50 GMT -5 laurack said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:42:19 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

FYI, the article you're scorning is quoting directly from the primary source, which it also links.  Is use of a primary source alarmist, in your sage opinion?  

Not at all.

Then please explain what made it alarmist such that you came out swinging at the OP?

[iamlaila]

Feb 14, 2016 10:05:27 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Tin foil crazy hat time...

My h and I theorize he's secretly getting Koch money.

I think that makes a lot of sense. Apparently, cross-referencing contributions for candidates, many of the contributors in excess of individual limits for the Sanders campaign previously gave to Rand Paul.

[karinothing]

Feb 14, 2016 10:43:28 GMT -5 iamlaila said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:03:08 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Yes. And really I used to work in FEC compliance it isn't hard. Their is software that tags similar names and addresses. This is really just lazy compliance.

What is the penalty if the Sanders campaign does not respond to this by the deadline? 

It also seems like it is not just a matter of some giving too large of contributions but there are also issues regarding staff reimbursement for travel (that it was not properly documented) as well as illegal contributions from foreign nationals.

They can be fined.

[laurack]

Feb 14, 2016 10:47:24 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:42:50 GMT -5 laurack said:

Not at all.

Then please explain what made it alarmist such that you came out swinging at the OP?

coming out swinging? Really? But, yeah I shouldn't have said anything. I should know better by now.

[winecat]

Feb 14, 2016 10:24:22 GMT -5 josieposy said:

So a lot of middle class people have $2,700+ to give a political candidate?

Yup.  Right after they pay their $500 car payment.  

[iamlaila]

The problem with the New York Times article posted is that it does not provide a link to the actual letter from the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to the Sanders campaign, and it also gives a simplistic account of the possible violations that the FEC is investigating. It is not simply those contributions over the individual limit of $2700 but also poor documentation of travel reimbursements and foreign nationals illegally giving money. Moreover, it does not really explain the process: for instance, when must the Sanders campaign respond, and if they fail to respond, what are the consequences? A good article would have covered each of these points.

[eclaires]

Feb 14, 2016 11:07:59 GMT -5 winecat said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:24:22 GMT -5 josieposy said:

So a lot of middle class people have $2,700+ to give a political candidate?

Yup.  Right after they pay their $500 car payment.  

The idea of a $500 car payment makes me want to die. Maybe if it was for two cars.

This is how I know I am cheaper than MH thinks I am, lol. He thinks I am like "'money, la di da!"

I never dispute we are solidly upper middle class, but both of these things - $500 car payment and $2700 to a political candidate seem like crazy talk.

[eclaires]

Feb 14, 2016 11:03:00 GMT -5 laurack said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:47:24 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Then please explain what made it alarmist such that you came out swinging at the OP?

coming out swinging? Really? But, yeah I shouldn't have said anything. I should know better by now.

No, just be prepared to offer something substantive and know what you are talking about. This board is pretty anti-Bernie, and I don't think anyone disputes that. I'm not trying to be mean, but you are someone who pops in occasionally to defend him or offer your support and rarely is it persuasive or substantive, which doesn't help perception on this board of Bernie fans.

iamlaila did a good job pointing out the value the OP's article has.

[NewOrleans]

Feb 14, 2016 11:03:00 GMT -5 laurack said:

Feb 14, 2016 10:47:24 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Then please explain what made it alarmist such that you came out swinging at the OP?

coming out swinging? Really? But, yeah I shouldn't have said anything. I should know better by now.

Don't act brand new. You challenged her, and it was all over your tone. And that's fine. I appreciate you wanting to contribute a source.  But your analysis of the sources side-by-side actually missed why the first article was actually the more appropriate one.  And when I pointed out the primary source, you are now passive-aggressively donning Bernie martyr robes ("I should know better"). I'm not having it.  I think it's great you want to contribute and make us look at other sides. But the side you asked us to look at was inferior, and I'm not having it.

[MrsAxilla]

Did you guys see Bill Maher's illegal contribution of $5,400? Lol.

[kadams767]

Feb 14, 2016 11:36:02 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Feb 14, 2016 11:07:59 GMT -5 winecat said:

Yup.  Right after they pay their $500 car payment.  

The idea of a $500 car payment makes me want to die. Maybe if it was for two cars.

This is how I know I am cheaper than MH thinks I am, lol. He thinks I am like "'money, la di da!"

I never dispute we are solidly upper middle class, but both of these things - $500 car payment and $2700 to a political candidate seem like crazy talk.

I am with you on this.  I don't feel like I am politically apathetic, at all, but I really, really have trouble imagining giving this much money to a political campaign.  We are well above middle class HHI and, to me, this is like a crazy amount of money to donate to politicians.  I can't believe there are this many people that do this.  

And LOL forever at a $500 car payment.  I'd buy myself a good pair of $500 boots and walk everywhere while I saved for a car before I did that.  

But these things are making me realize why my DH likes to tell me I am totally out of touch with reality.