Tweet re: Antonin Scalia

[isabel]

It's probably bad that this made me laugh.

[MrsAxilla]

Lol

[StrawberryBlondie]

Poor taste.

[sushi]

Feb 14, 2016 12:47:35 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Poor taste.

Poor taste and made me laugh. I have a very inappropriate sense of humor.

And I don't feel guilty.

[One Girl In All The World]

I think I've liked that about four times so far on FB.

[mcfelix]

Pointed and hilarious.

[isabel]

Feb 14, 2016 22:40:09 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

LOL

Did you see this comment a few tweets down?

blue tick mantooth ‏@bluetickmantoo

@justiceblaine and almost a billion babies were waiting at the gates of heaven to lead him to worship at the feet of Jesus.

and the reply:

Justice Wainwright ‏@justiceblaine

@bluetickmantoo like... As in child labor?

lol Yep. I laughed at that too.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Feb 14, 2016 22:43:26 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

Feb 14, 2016 12:47:35 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Poor taste.

Treating women like vacuous incubators and restricting our rights to our own bodies is in poor taste.  

This joke is pretty neutral to me.  

The man died yesterday. His family, friends, and colleagues are still grieving.

Vehemently disagree with his decisions all you want (I know I do), but he was a well respected justice and public servant. Have some fucking respect.

[sushi]

Feb 14, 2016 23:22:11 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Feb 14, 2016 22:43:26 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

Treating women like vacuous incubators and restricting our rights to our own bodies is in poor taste.  

This joke is pretty neutral to me.  

The man died yesterday. His family, friends, and colleagues are still grieving.

Vehemently disagree with his decisions all you want (I know I do), but he was a well respected justice and public servant. Have some fucking respect.

He's dead. He can't be hurt. And he didn't respect women, but he deserves respect now because he's dead? A respect I wouldn't have given him before?

No, I can't abide that.

I do respect the family so wouldn't have made a joke in public where they might see and be hurt by it.

I can respect intellect and service as concepts while still bring appalled at its manifestation.

[ESF]

Ive been wrestling with this one today.

The joke is not my taste. I haven't "liked" it the 8000 times its come up in my Facebook feed.

But the man wrote some truly hateful things. His vitriolic, insulting, and unrestrained opinions are not getting buried with him. His cruel prose will live on forever. He used his power to tell women, gay people, black people, the poor, religious minorities to belittle and shame them not just for seeking justice but for daring to dream that the constitution was a living document, one that didn't just protect white male property owners but something more than that.

So this is just a complicated situation. I can't judge.

[AJL]

Why should you get respect in death when you did little to earn respect (at least mine) in life? I laughed at the tweet.

[sushi]

Exactly, dig. I'm a bisexual atheist woman of child bearing age. I'm a living person who's been disrespected by how many officials for how long?

But now that an oppressor has died I'm supposed to be respectful.

No.

[NewOrleans]

I think it's irreverent, so I find it funny.

I also think it is not personal; it is about politics. And those were his politics.

Strawberry, I understand your position. But maybe it's not fair to expect people to separate his humanity, which they never got to see, from his politics, which is what he showed us all.

I am far, far more uncomfortable with people being gleeful about the man's death.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Feb 14, 2016 23:33:52 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

Feb 14, 2016 23:22:11 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

The man died yesterday. His family, friends, and colleagues are still grieving.

Vehemently disagree with his decisions all you want (I know I do), but he was a well respected justice and public servant. Have some fucking respect.

See, here's the great thing about you and me being different people.  

We don't have to have the same beliefs and opinions.

While you may believe in that old standby "Don't speak ill of the dead", I, will speak ill of the dead all damn day long, if I feel like it.

Especially when that dead person did wrong.

And isn't this what we've been have conversations about for like a month, now?  Both because of this board and because of recent events in the news?  How certain groups of people react in shock and awe when other oppressed/abused groups of people speak up about being oppressed and abused?  So, I'm not going to feel bad for nodding my head in agreement at a truthful and pointed joke about someone who gladly participated in misogyny and oppression.  

If Scalia had had some fucking respect for women, and if he had served ALL of the public, equally, perhaps the point would never have needed to be made.  

He didn't respect me. I didn't respect him.  Even stevens.

Again, you and me -- different people.  

You know, when I said to show some respect, I was referring to the person who made the joke in the first place.

But OK, if you think a person's final wishes should be made fun of because said person holds a political/legal belief that's different than your own, do you. I'm glad you're owning it.

Frankly, I think it's disgusting.

[NewOrleans]

Feb 15, 2016 10:29:45 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Feb 14, 2016 23:33:52 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

You know, when I said to show some respect, I was referring to the person who made the joke in the first place.

But OK, if you think a person's final wishes should be made fun of because said person holds a political/legal belief that's different than your own, do you. I'm glad you're owning it.

Frankly, I think it's disgusting.

it's not making fun of his final wishes at all but rather the wishes he had while he was living.  

(Why do I feel compelled to discuss a tweet? why?)

[secretlyevil]

So wrong and yet...

[NewOrleans]

Feb 15, 2016 10:29:45 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Feb 14, 2016 23:33:52 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

You know, when I said to show some respect, I was referring to the person who made the joke in the first place.

But OK, if you think a person's final wishes should be made fun of because said person holds a political/legal belief that's different than your own, do you. 

"He dissented in Lawrence v. Texas, standing short in his belief that states should be allowed to jail gay people for having sex. His most recent headlines came when he suggested in an affirmative action case that black men might be better off at “less advanced schools,” where they might do better.
To cloak these moral distinctions as “political differences” is disingenuous. It’s the sort of stuff that will allow an Antonin Scalia monument to be erected somewhere in honor of his “passion” or “service” in the decades to come, as the younger public is duped into believing that his opinions were just the product of a different kind of legal reasoning."

www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/13/1484955/-Let-s-Not-Twist-It-My-Differences-with-Scalia-Were-More-Than-Political

[ESF]

Feb 15, 2016 10:29:45 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Feb 14, 2016 23:33:52 GMT -5 Dig Ophelia said:

See, here's the great thing about you and me being different people.  

We don't have to have the same beliefs and opinions.

While you may believe in that old standby "Don't speak ill of the dead", I, will speak ill of the dead all damn day long, if I feel like it.

Especially when that dead person did wrong.

And isn't this what we've been have conversations about for like a month, now?  Both because of this board and because of recent events in the news?  How certain groups of people react in shock and awe when other oppressed/abused groups of people speak up about being oppressed and abused?  So, I'm not going to feel bad for nodding my head in agreement at a truthful and pointed joke about someone who gladly participated in misogyny and oppression.  

If Scalia had had some fucking respect for women, and if he had served ALL of the public, equally, perhaps the point would never have needed to be made.  

He didn't respect me. I didn't respect him.  Even stevens.

Again, you and me -- different people.  

You know, when I said to show some respect, I was referring to the person who made the joke in the first place.

But OK, if you think a person's final wishes should be made fun of because said person holds a political/legal belief that's different than your own, do you. I'm glad you're owning it.

Frankly, I think it's disgusting.

We aren't talking about, say, Rehnquist. He wasn't exactly a civil rights advocate, but he wasn't cruel and hateful, he stuck to his interpretation of the constitution and managed to do so with an appropriate tone. While I take issue with the effect his opinions had on people, he managed to disagree and advocate for his interpretation of the constitution in a dignified, appropriate manner.

Scalia was downright hateful and cruel in his work.

The closest comparison I can think of is like when Strom Thurmund died. It's just going to bring up a lot of complicated emotions in people.

[isabel]

Feb 15, 2016 10:07:48 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I think it's irreverent, so I find it funny.

I also think it is not personal; it is about politics. And those were his politics.

Strawberry, I understand your position. But maybe it's not fair to expect people to separate his humanity, which they never got to see, from his politics, which is what he showed us all.

I am far, far more uncomfortable with people being gleeful about the man's death.

This is where I am. I'm not happy he's dead. It's nearly always sad when someone dies. But poking at his politics despite his death doesn't bother me. He was incredibly disrespectful of women and minorities, to put it nicely.

[sushi]

If a person is hateful in life I'm not going to worry about shade thrown his way in death.

[isabel]

Feb 15, 2016 10:53:32 GMT -5 ESF said:

Feb 15, 2016 10:29:45 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

You know, when I said to show some respect, I was referring to the person who made the joke in the first place.

But OK, if you think a person's final wishes should be made fun of because said person holds a political/legal belief that's different than your own, do you. I'm glad you're owning it.

Frankly, I think it's disgusting.

We aren't talking about, say, Rehnquist. He wasn't exactly a civil rights advocate, but he wasn't cruel and hateful, he stuck to his interpretation of the constitution and managed to do so with an appropriate tone. While I take issue with the effect his opinions had on people, he managed to disagree and advocate for his interpretation of the constitution in a dignified, appropriate manner.

Scalia was downright hateful and cruel in his work.

The closest comparison I can think of is like when Strom Thurmund died. It's just going to bring up a lot of complicated emotions in people.

This is basically what they were talking about on the Slate podcast I was listening to this morning. That Scalia could have chosen a hundred different ways to express his opinion in a respectful way. Instead, he was basically racist and sexist in many of his comments. It's one thing to have different opinions and express them with regard to the law and your own political bias, but it's another to use disrespect for people of different races and sexual orientations to build your legal rulings.

[heyjude]

Meh.

It's a good one.

[downtoearth]

Feb 15, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5 isabel said:

Feb 15, 2016 10:53:32 GMT -5 ESF said:

We aren't talking about, say, Rehnquist. He wasn't exactly a civil rights advocate, but he wasn't cruel and hateful, he stuck to his interpretation of the constitution and managed to do so with an appropriate tone. While I take issue with the effect his opinions had on people, he managed to disagree and advocate for his interpretation of the constitution in a dignified, appropriate manner.

Scalia was downright hateful and cruel in his work.

The closest comparison I can think of is like when Strom Thurmund died. It's just going to bring up a lot of complicated emotions in people.

This is basically what they were talking about on the Slate podcast I was listening to this morning. That Scalia could have chosen a hundred different ways to express his opinion in a respectful way. Instead, he was basically racist and sexist in many of his comments. It's one thing to have different opinions and express them with regard to the law and your own political bias, but it's another to use disrespect for people of different races and sexual orientations to build your legal rulings.

Just the most recent slate podcast or should I look it up by name?

[isabel]

Feb 15, 2016 11:10:13 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

Feb 15, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5 isabel said:

This is basically what they were talking about on the Slate podcast I was listening to this morning. That Scalia could have chosen a hundred different ways to express his opinion in a respectful way. Instead, he was basically racist and sexist in many of his comments. It's one thing to have different opinions and express them with regard to the law and your own political bias, but it's another to use disrespect for people of different races and sexual orientations to build your legal rulings.

Just the most recent slate podcast or should I look it up by name?

Probably need to look it up by name. Gabfest Extra: Antonin Scalia's Death. It was posted on Sunday.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Dig Ophelia, I'm not being obtuse. Trust me when I say that I know Scalia had some really terrible beliefs and expressed them in terrible ways. I went to law school and have read and/or studied most of them. His dissent in US v Virginia made my skin crawl. I still don't think that means jokes should me made of his death.

To me, this really isn't any different than being gleeful about his death, which I completely agree with NewOrleans that makes me super uncomfortable. To me, jokes like this are just another expression of the same thing.

[ringstrue]

I'm happy he's dead. I don't care what any of you think about that.

[Michelle]

Feb 15, 2016 14:48:55 GMT -5 ringstrue said:

I'm happy he's dead. I don't care what any of you think about that.

[NewOrleans]

ok then

[KateAggie]

Honestly, when I first saw this tweet it really upset me. But the very fact that he had great friendships with both RBG and Elena Kagan tells me he'd roll his eyes at this and move on. Because really, having the respect of your peers is far more valuable. I hope his family sees it that way, too.

[ESF]

Feb 15, 2016 15:23:13 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

Honestly, when I first saw this tweet it really upset me. But the very fact that he had great friendships with both RBG and Elena Kagan tells me he'd roll his eyes at this and move on. Because really, having the respect of your peers is far more valuable. I hope his family sees it that way, too.

Well, you may be right. After all, he did say:

“A man who has made no enemies is probably not a very good man.”