Honestly, when I first saw this tweet it really upset me. But the very fact that he had great friendships with both RBG and Elena Kagan tells me he'd roll his eyes at this and move on. Because really, having the respect of your peers is far more valuable. I hope his family sees it that way, too.
Well, you may be right. After all, he did say:
“A man who has made no enemies is probably not a very good man.”
I actually really like that statement. Thank you for sharing it. Whether or not you think it applies in the way he means it.
It also sounds like something Mandy Patakin would've said in "Princess Bride."
Honestly, when I first saw this tweet it really upset me. But the very fact that he had great friendships with both RBG and Elena Kagan tells me he'd roll his eyes at this and move on. Because really, having the respect of your peers is far more valuable. I hope his family sees it that way, too.
I tend to agree. And you hit on another part of it that bothered me. This thing all over he internet. Where his wife, kids, and grandkids, and other family can see it. And given the number of times and varying places I've seen it, they probably could end up just stumbling upon it. I truly can't imagine grieving a loved one and seeing something like that.
Honestly, outright glee (and publicly) is tacky, but people are entitled to feel the way they feel. The fact that he thought that gay people should be imprisoned for gay sex is so hateful, I can't even believe it.
I could do without the scolding, though. It's kind of not anyone's place to tell someone else what their feelings and experience should be here.
The tweet is funny. And frankly, it's very mild compared to the realities actually faced by thousands of human beings whose rights and choices have actually been impacted by this man's decisions.
Well, thank you for properly scolding those of us who think people should have some respect for his family, including his 9 kids and 28 grandkids. We'll just go ahead and discard our feelings.
Well, thank you for properly scolding those of us who think people should have some respect for his family, including his 9 kids and 28 grandkids. We'll just go ahead and discard our feelings.
I mean, you live your truth. But seriously, the whole, "This is disgusting!" is a little much. And is very "I'm offended you're offended!"
Also, I'm not friends with the Scalia family on Facebook. I doubt they'd see it if I shared it (which I didn't).
It came across my twitter today. It is entirely possible that this has landed in their faces and that is why I am uncomfortable with it. He deserves it they don't. they are grieving the man they knew and from most reports the man they knew was a decent man so having this thrown in their faces can't help but be hurtful at a time when they are already in pain which seems mean.
Well, thank you for properly scolding those of us who think people should have some respect for his family, including his 9 kids and 28 grandkids. We'll just go ahead and discard our feelings.
I mean, you live your truth. But seriously, the whole, "This is disgusting!" is a little much. And is very "I'm offended you're offended!"
Also, I'm not friends with the Scalia family on Facebook. I doubt they'd see it if I shared it (which I didn't).
Kay. Or maybe you just own your shit. You're allowed to express your feelings. Just don't get all butthurt when people think it's tacky.
Well, thank you for properly scolding those of us who think people should have some respect for his family, including his 9 kids and 28 grandkids. We'll just go ahead and discard our feelings.
I mean, you live your truth. But seriously, the whole, "This is disgusting!" is a little much. And is very "I'm offended you're offended!"
Also, I'm not friends with the Scalia family on Facebook. I doubt they'd see it if I shared it (which I didn't).
Don't be passive aggressive, bunny. If it's my posts you take issue with, say it to my computer-face.
I'm happy to own every single thing I've said in here.
Do you think Scalia cared about the millions of families he tried to ruin or harm with some of his rulings?
Even the worst people have families. That doesn't mean these awful people get some sort of cloak of immunity when they pass.
And really. We are talking about a fairly innocuous tweet that was making a political point about his opinions. It's not like this is a picture of him dead or something grotesque. He was a political and public figure. His record is fair game for critique, pre death and post death. Even this soon.
I love that it's some "universal truth" that he was evil. His convictions didn't match yours. Or mine, for that matter. But SC justices rule based on their interpretation of the Constitution, not on emotions and sympathy. And his fellow SC justices seem to be pretty straightforward that this man, who they respected, did just that, even though their interpretations didn't match. But it's far more fun to pretend he was cackling in his quarters, twirling his non-existent mustache, like the prefect movie villian, figuring out how to spread his evil plans across the country.
Do you think Scalia cared about the millions of families he tried to ruin or harm with some of his rulings?
Even the worst people have families. That doesn't mean these awful people get some sort of cloak of immunity when they pass.
And really. We are talking about a fairly innocuous tweet that was making a political point about his opinions. It's not like this is a picture of him dead or something grotesque. He was a political and public figure. His record is fair game for critique, pre death, post death. Even this soon.
Pish tosh, heyjude. Who cares about the feelings, experiences, and rights of the millions of us non-persons, anyway?
What matters is that Scalia had a black friend liberal female friend, so it's all good!
Yeah being friends with RBG is cool and humanizing and all that. But that fact really has almost nothing to do with this tweet and its appropriateness. The tweet was making a point about his rulings. It invoked his name. It made reference to his death. Except for the fact there was subtle humor involved, we could be talking about any 100s of articles floating around right now doing the same thing.
In the grand scheme of disturbances I think it is significantly more chilling that while his body was still warm McConnel is announcing he will be thwarting democracy in Scalia's honor.
Pish tosh, heyjude. Who cares about the feelings, experiences, and rights of the millions of us non-persons, anyway?
What matters is that Scalia had a black friend liberal female friend, so it's all good!
Yeah being friends with RBG is cool and humanizing and all that. But that fact really has almost nothing to do with this tweet and its appropriateness. The tweet was making a point about his rulings. It invoked his name. It made reference to his death. Except for the fact there was subtle humor involved, we could be talking about any 100s of articles floating around right now doing the same thing.
In the grand scheme of disturbances I think it is significantly more chilling that while his body was still warm McConnel is announcing he will be thwarting democracy in Scalia's honor.
I mean, you live your truth. But seriously, the whole, "This is disgusting!" is a little much. And is very "I'm offended you're offended!"
Also, I'm not friends with the Scalia family on Facebook. I doubt they'd see it if I shared it (which I didn't).
It came across my twitter today. It is entirely possible that this has landed in their faces and that is why I am uncomfortable with it. He deserves it they don't. they are grieving the man they knew and from most reports the man they knew was a decent man so having this thrown in their faces can't help but be hurtful at a time when they are already in pain which seems mean.
Look, I'm sorry for his family's loss. I'm sure he loved them very much, and I admire that he was able to build such good relationships with so many smart people of all stripes.
But I don't get this, "everyone must bite their tongue and whitewash the death of a highly controversial public figure for some indefinite amount of time."
Scalia was a public figure. There have been far, far, far worse things said and written about him. And there will continue to be. What exactly is the point of some self-imposed few minutes of not snarking on twitter? His family's grief is never going to be totally erased. It's never going to be completely safe to say something without causing them pain. It's always going to be there. But the world has to keep on moving.
In any event, let's look at the context. This tweet is a wise crack of some random dude on the internet. You think any of them give a shit about that? These people are waking up to commentator after commentator writing and talking about how your husband, dad, friend was best known for his unrestrained, angry dissents, his vitriolic anger, his encouragement of civil disobedience in the wake of Obergefell, his lone, misogynistic rant against women in the military, one that even Thomas and Rehnquist abandoned him for. That's his legacy. That's what they are facing. That his thirty years on SCOTUS have been reduced to, "damn, what a fucking asshole he was!"
If obituaries are any clue, history is going to be a lot harder on him than that tweet. His legacy is that fact that he wrote more dissents than opinions, and that he was growing more and more angry at a changing world as the decades passed. In that context, this tweet is nothing.
I love that it's some "universal truth" that he was evil. His convictions didn't match yours. Or mine, for that matter. But SC justices rule based on their interpretation of the Constitution, not on emotions and sympathy. And his fellow SC justices seem to be pretty straightforward that this man, who they respected, did just that, even though their interpretations didn't match. But it's far more fun to pretend he was cackling in his quarters, twirling his non-existent mustache, like the prefect movie villian, figuring out how to spread his evil plans across the country.
The single biggest criticism of Scalia is that he failed pretty spectacularly at this. And while I would say most judges have probably done so more times than they'd care to admit, Scalia took it to a new level with the language he used, which was often - particularly as he got older - completely inappropriate for sitting Justice.
This is not some knee-jerk I don't like conservative judges whine. A lot of people on all sides of the aisle would agree with observation.
Post by aussiecrush on Feb 15, 2016 21:40:32 GMT -5
Comparing the LGBT community to pedophiles and saying that African Americans might fair better at slower track schools isn't a different interpretation on the Constitution. It's bigotry And just two instance in one year he served. Laugh at the tweet or find it in poor taste, but don't act like this about a difference of opinions on interpretation.
Look, I'll just ditto ESF who is a better person than I am for being able to cogently articulate her disdain for Scalia without dropping an f-bomb or using a gif of Jennifer Lawrence's thumbs up. I also will OWN THE FUCK out of my sorrynotsorry that Scalia is dead. He can join the ranks of Orval Faubus on the list of people I don't and won't miss. The only thing keeping me from being actually gleeful is the fact that Alito is still alive.
Comparing the LGBT community to pedophiles and saying that African Americans might fair better at slower track schools isn't a different interpretation on the Constitution. It's bigotry And just two instance in one year he served. Laugh at the tweet or find it in poor taste, but don't act like this about a difference of opinions on interpretation.
Seriously.
His dissent in Obergefell, which I truly believe was the most reckless, unhinged opinion he's ever written, was joined only by Thomas. The other conservative judges wrote dissents too, they just weren't going to put their names on his (he joined theirs though, he just needed a separate platform to mouth off the personal rage that was properly omitted from the others). I have no love for Roberts, and even less for Alito, and I don't like their opinions in that case either. But they also had the restraint and respect for the profession to keep their opinions focused on the law.
Comparing the LGBT community to pedophiles and saying that African Americans might fair better at slower track schools isn't a different interpretation on the Constitution. It's bigotry And just two instance in one year he served. Laugh at the tweet or find it in poor taste, but don't act like this about a difference of opinions on interpretation.
Seriously.
His dissent in Obergefell, which I truly believe was the most reckless, unhinged opinion he's ever written, was joined only by Thomas. The other conservative judges wrote dissents too, they just weren't going to put their names on his (he joined theirs though, he just needed a separate platform to mouth off the personal rage that was properly omitted from the others). I have no love for Roberts, and even less for Alito, and I don't like their opinions in that case either. But they also had the restraint and respect for the profession to keep their opinions focused on the law.
Ok, here's the thing. I have gone back and forth on myself so many times over the past day that I remind myself of Mitt Romney. I think you can see my ambivalence in this thread. My thought process was "I can't erase a man's lifetime."
And then I re-read Obergefell. And Lawrence. And Evans.
And I'm sitting here like, wait-- I'm not erasing his lifetime. His legacy amounts to jiggery pokery, flagpole sitting, and applesauce. And I'm like-- why am I sentimentalizing this dude?
I don't know what to think or say, man. This is weird territory for me.
I guess I am not sure how he felt about the Constitution or rights, ultimately, all applesauce to the contrary.
His dissent in Obergefell, which I truly believe was the most reckless, unhinged opinion he's ever written, was joined only by Thomas. The other conservative judges wrote dissents too, they just weren't going to put their names on his (he joined theirs though, he just needed a separate platform to mouth off the personal rage that was properly omitted from the others). I have no love for Roberts, and even less for Alito, and I don't like their opinions in that case either. But they also had the restraint and respect for the profession to keep their opinions focused on the law.
Ok, here's the thing. I have gone back and forth on myself so many times over the past day that I remind myself of Mitt Romney. I think you can see my ambivalence in this thread. My thought process was "I can't erase a man's lifetime."
And then I re-read Obergefell. And Lawrence. And Evans.
And I'm sitting here like, wait-- I'm not erasing his lifetime. His legacy amounts to jiggery pokery, flagpole sitting, and applesauce. And I'm like-- why am I sentimentalizing this dude?
I don't know what to think or say, man. This is weird territory for me.
I guess I am not sure how he felt about the Constitution or rights, ultimately, all applesauce to the contrary.
Have you ever read his dissent in VMI? The one where even 900 year old Rehnquist was like, "uh dude, no, you are on your fucking own on this one." (I though Thomas was also in the majority, but remembered he recused himself on that one for some reason.)
When we read VMI in law school, my friend, who had campaigned for GWB and worked for republicans on Capitol Hill, said to me, "I always just assumed I'd like this guy since he's what my political party holds up as the gold standard. But holy shit. He's crazy."