Are there any actual Trump supporters on here? Come out

[karinothing]

OK this is NOT me obviously lol. But I was talking to my coworker who supports Cruz but understands why folks support trump. I was having a conversation with him today about how Trump's voters are not necessarily conservative since a lot of Trump's views aren't conservative. The news was saying he is creating his own Trump party that is separate from the GOP.

His reply was this:

"I don't think that is necessarily on point...I think there is something more going on, I think the shift is more towards a nationalist or identity political ideology necessarily than the conservatives getting more liberal...I think the true conservatives are really staying with Cruz, and some are defecting to trump, but its more because of the nationalist ideology and they are saying, if we lose the country then none of these other things matter, we have to get the country back and then we can argue about abortion again...I think if the republicans had not been viewed as tilting towards amnesty and being pro-immigration, the election cycle would be totally different"

TO which I replied that it was absolutely terrifying. Especially as someone who is married to someone that is Hispanic who has people question his "American status."

And his response:

"I understand that and I appreciate it, that kind of behavior is not acceptable, there are rationale ways to deal with things, but I'm worried that if the brokenness of the system is not addressed and the people continue to feel the power apparatus and elites are selling them out, then the situation will be ripe for your fears to be realized...that's what I fear"

So basically white people are scared and as such as seeking out a Nationalist candidate to save their whiteness.

[iammalcolmx]

Yes please create an AE and come on out. I want to hear it ALL.

[mcsangel2]

I also would love to be able to talk to any Trump supporters on the board.

But I think the conservatives here were chased away a long time ago.

[ECB]

Maybe this will help? I read the first few pages.

www.thencomesfamily.com/community/thread/90447/hey-trump-supporters-come

[sushi]

Wasn't tillie considering him?

I've mostly heard anti isis (which we all know what that dog whistles). I think people are truly afraid of the threat thanks to all the alert tickers and faux news. They've created this

[josieposy]

LOL! I'd be shocked if it happened.

I imagine a lot of them see this thread like this:

[ECB]

Mar 2, 2016 9:39:47 GMT -5 sushi said:

Wasn't tillie considering him?

I've mostly heard anti isis (which we all know what that dog whistles). I think people are truly afraid of the threat thanks to all the alert tickers and faux news. They've created this

This is so much the issue too.  Our media is more concerned about viewership and getting people riled up than actually reporting the news.  They aren't helping this debacle at all - especially w/ the level of focus they put on Trump.  

[ttt]

Mar 2, 2016 9:33:02 GMT -5 ECB said:

Maybe this will help? I read the first few pages.

www.thencomesfamily.com/community/thread/90447/hey-trump-supporters-come

That pretty much confirms what I already thought about this. 

1. He's a "businessman" and "businessmen" are good at business stuff, so they'll be good at being president too! He can, like, negotiate things. 

2. Not worried about the Supreme Court because "checks and balances" will stop anything bad from happening. 

3. The racist stuff isn't a big deal, people are just being too PC about everything. 

[wawa]

The support I've seen from friends of friends on facebook has all centered around totally buying into the narrative that Washington DC has failed us.  that the GOP and Democratic party are both just two sides of the same inept, corporate sponsored coin and all the other candidates are just asshole politicians of basically the same flavor.

It's the same basic reason behind a lot of Bernie's support (not all.  But a lot)  So basically if you think Washington is irreparably horribly broken and needs to be totally set on its ear - but you are bothered by blatent racism, you support Bernie.  Otherwise Trump seems like your best bet to send the message of "all you chucklefucks need to be FIRED."

[mbcdefg]

Not me (shudder). 

But I have a few IRL friends who say they'll vote for him if he's the GOP nominee, simply because they don't like/trust Clinton. I haven't really heard anyone I know saying they actually LIKE him, with the exception of one person (a former coworker who, as I've recently discovered through the magic of Facebook, seems to be a racist and a bigot). 

I get not liking a particular candidate, whomever (s)he may be. I get the idea of voting along party lines. I get being suspicious of Clinton thanks to the stupid emails and Benghazi (although it's worth noting that the people I've spoken with on this topic don't seem to have any idea what these issues actually are, and just keep repeating "But, the emails! Benghazi!" over and over without being able to even explain what happened).

But it blows my mind that Trump has demonstrated time and again what a scumbag he is, and people are willing to overlook that simply because they dislike Clinton. I'm not a huge fan of Clinton, either, but she's far more qualified than Trump to do the job. And Trump is just a terrible, terrible person. World leaders are already condemning him, most of the media is pointing out what an idiot he is, he's got no real policy or solutions other than shit-talking his opponents ... how are people not realizing that he's in no way qualified to be the fucking president???

I get the idea of voting for the "lesser of two evils" - because, honestly, in every election in which I've personally participated, it seems like those are the only choices - the really crappy guy, and the kind-of-crappy guy. But I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that TRUMP is somehow the "lesser evil" in this situation. 

[pixy0stix]

[jeaniebueller]

I have relatives who support Trump and they really like the idea of the wall and that he just says what he wants. Do not get me started.

[shortstax]

I'll answer for a family member. His point of view was to the tune of:

Trump supporter: "yeah, I don't think he's the most qualified, and some of his views are all over the place. But you know what, voting for him is like a big "FUCK YOU" to all of those CAREER POLITICIANS. They think they're so important, well guess what? This outsider is going to get the white house because people are sick of your bullshit."

Me: So, in short, you're sick of bullshit, so you will vote for a person who spews a significant amount of bullshit?

TS: You've got it.

I just walked away. I don't engage my family anymore.

[sfy]

This question has been asked before and gone unanswered, and I don't blame them, because the threads make it obvious they would be flamed, if they're even actually here. I don't get the intrigue... am I the only one who has seen televised focus groups with Trump supporters?

[smock]

From the bump spin-off post: "I don't pick my candidates based on abortion rights because I don't think ANY president will change that. And I don't think Trump is a woman hater. He says some really stupid stuff, but who doesn't?"

And from the same poster: "I don't see the Muslim thing as being racist as more of a poorly thought out plan to stop terrorism, as many see it impossible to separate peaceful Muslims and radicals, so they group them in one as he has."

That pretty much sums it up for me. 

[sushi]

I think a lot of people are scumbags, so they're just supporting one of their own

[taratru]

I really want to know who the non-Trump GOP people are going to vote for and why. I think we all understand that Trump appeals to people who are afraid (of color, of losing, of not being "great"), but what about Cruz is better? What about Rubio is better? What are the actual issues and plans that are happening? Because it seems to me the whole GOP race is degrading into a dick-measuring contest. And I have good good friends who vote Republican and they are all "ya know...I just don't know right now."

[laurenpetro]

@kirkette rather than create another thread I figured I'd just stick this in here:

if Bloomberg doesn't run and trump is the nominee, who do you think you'll vote for? 

[sushi]

He understands economic struggles? Lofl. He can from wealth. He's never had to worry a day. Yes, even when declaring bankruptcy (commercial, not personal iirc)

People who looks like me. White male without deep face

[miniroller]

Mar 2, 2016 10:05:05 GMT -5 sfy said:

... am I the only one who has seen televised focus groups with Trump supporters?

No, but now I want to! I have seen very short, on-the-street "interviews" (i.e. 1 or 2 ?'s) asked of Trump supporters. And as I think of my massive frustration re: unanswered follow-up questions, aka pointing out how they're wrong on at least one-three concepts/ facts on which they've based they're reasoning, yet they're completely uninformed or informed incorrectly, I know that my blood pressure probably couldn't take it.

ETA: Right, I'm not sure I got that out properly: I want to see a live supporter who can answer rebuttals. But even as I say that I'm concerned it would quickly turn into an argument of nonsense & that doesn't seem productive. Sorry for figuring all of this out whilst posting


Sorry, that's not very welcoming. But those were just the idiots on the street & I think we can all agree that every candidate has an "idiot on the street" supporter.

[pixy0stix]

I'll just flat out say that I'm not interested in hearing from Trump supporters.

[jeaniebueller]

Mar 2, 2016 10:05:05 GMT -5 sfy said:

This question has been asked before and gone unanswered, and I don't blame them, because the threads make it obvious they would be flamed, if they're even actually here. I don't get the intrigue... am I the only one who has seen televised focus groups with Trump supporters?

Mark Halperin and I can't remember the other guy's name, have done a lot of focus groups with voters.

www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/sc-focus-group-favors-cruz-but-see-trump-momentum-620926019877

[anonymous]

here is what someone put on FB:

I, personally, vote for capitalists. In my opinion, Trump is the only capitalist in the field now that Chris Christie is gone. I want someone who will look at the world through the lens of money. We are spending so much money on things like grants to study myopic ants in wet weather, subsidies to support farms that are already profitable, support for Navy bases in places far away from water. (I think I heard we're actually paying farmers not to plant crops in some instances.) We're funding the Post Office, PBS and the Fed. . . things that could clearly be run by capitalists.

And then we've been complaining about things like illegal immigration for the past 50 years without anyone doing anything to even try to fix it. We're pouring more money per student into schools than any other country on earth, but we're not first in education.

We've got politicians trying to give away free health care, free kindergarten, free college, free phones, free condoms, free job training, free food, free mortgages, free student debt relief AND they are trying to raise the minimum wage so people can get more money for free even though they are not working harder to get it.

From what I can tell everyone running for office right now is the same. They're all going to do the same things that have always been done. And we're just going to be in the same arguments we always have been. Nothing will change.

So, right now I'm supporting the crazy guy because he's the only guy that looks like he might actually do something useful.

I'd love to support Carson, but I doubt he'd be loud enough to scare anyone into get their arse in gear.

I'd love to be for Rubio or Cruz but they're just politicians like normal. Sure they have good opinions, but they're just politicians.

I'd love to be for Carly . . .but somehow she just didn't make the cut.

And honestly the only other person who might get something done is Sanders. That guy has been true to his word for the last 50 years. But I don't like what he stands for. I don't ever want him to win. I'd love to be his neighbor, but I'm a capitalist and he's the opposite.

Hilary is power hungry. She'll say whatever to get it. Which means we have no idea what she'll even try to get done.

With Trump. . . you know the bad. It's right in your face. I don't think he's going to back down if there's a fight. I don't think he's going to let us keep spending into oblivion. And I'm positive he's not going to just tax the rich because all his friends are rich and they all hate taxes. I'm willing to risk 4 years to find someone who values capitalism and who will stop spending.

Even if it means voting for a crazy guy.

Because who in their right mind would run for that office?

[CheeringCharm]

I saw something on the news today where they were interviewing Trump supporters and they all said things like "he's tough, he's honest, he says what he thinks, he's an outsider, he doesn't take bullshit, you know where he stands on things."

Here's what worries me. I think if he does get the nomination, he will switch courses and stop saying so many incendiary things in an effort to appeal to a broader base of voters. And people who haven't really been paying much attention to the election so far and the racist things he's been saying will think "he appears sane and rational. Why are people so upset?" And then they might vote for him. Especially if they get the sense that the media is telling them not to. Regular people seem to love to tell Establishment types to fuck off.

[sfy]

Mar 2, 2016 10:20:04 GMT -5 miniroller said:

Mar 2, 2016 10:05:05 GMT -5 sfy said:

... am I the only one who has seen televised focus groups with Trump supporters?

No, but now I want to! I have seen very short, on-the-street "interviews" (i.e. 1 or 2 ?'s) asked of Trump supporters. And as I think of my massive frustration re: unanswered follow-up questions, aka pointing out how they're wrong on at least one-three concepts/ facts on which they've based they're reasoning, yet they're completely uninformed or informed incorrectly, I know that my blood pressure probably couldn't take it.

Sorry, that's not very welcoming. But those were just the idiots on the street & I think we can all agree that every candidate has an "idiot on the street" supporter

www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-supporters-explain-his-appeal-in-focus-group/

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/30/bloomberg_hosts_focus_group_for_donald_trump_supporters_in_new_hampshire.html

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trevor-noah-donald-trump-focus-group

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/13/luntz_focus_group_of_trump_supporters_were_tired_of_weak_candidates.html

I know I have seen no less than 10-15 of these.  They're all very similar.  That's why these threads are odd to me.  This isn't a secret society.  They're a very vocal group.  If people don't know why Trump supporters are voting for him, I kind of assume they aren't interested.

[josieposy]

I really hate this idea that only non-politicians think the budget is outrageous.

[partiallysunny]

Mar 2, 2016 9:28:10 GMT -5 karinothing said:

So basically white people are scared and as such as seeking out a Nationalist candidate to save their whiteness.

I truly feel in the simplest form, this is what is happening and fueling the Trump campaign.

With all the major social strives that have been made in the last few years (gay marriage, transgender issues, etc), people feel their "way of life" is threatened.

And it's fucking scary.

[KateAggie]

My mom is not a Trump supporter, but will vote for him if he's the nominee. She thinks HRC is totally corrupt, and there is no changing her mind. Which I get to a point, but corrupt is better than BSC for me. She also thinks Trump says things just to rile people up. She doesn't like the crap he says, but doesn't buy that he actually means any of it, so he's therefore "less dangerous" than HRC.

[ESF]

Mar 2, 2016 10:28:54 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

Question - do people think that Lindsay Graham, who said he will "go down with the ship" will actually vote for Trump? How many Republican leaders who are refusing to publicly disavow Trump do we think will vote for Hillary in the privacy of the voting booth?

I hope that it's a large number, even if they're cowards for "supporting" Trump on the outside.

There's some buzz about some anonymous GOP senator who said s/he'd endorse Hillary if Chuck got the nominee. Chuck Todd apparently reported this. I can't remember where I read this. But I could see Lindsey Graham supporting Clinton. Or maybe one of those two women from Maine, or perhaps Mark Kirk if he thought it could save his seat.

That said, I think most of them will be cowards and tow the party line. Especially because it would be a Clinton on the other side.

[ttt]

Mar 2, 2016 10:23:05 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I'll just flat out say that I'm not interested in hearing from Trump supporters.

Me neither. I already know exactly where they're coming from and why they're supporting Trump.