Abortion Bill in Indiana

[isabel]

 Unfuckingbelievable.

jezebel.com/yet-another-garbage-abortion-bill-has-been-passed-this-1763935935?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Jezebel_facebook


A bill called HB 1337 is on its way to Indiana Governor Mike Pence, at which point he will decide if women who have had abortions should be held responsible for the burial or cremation of the fetus, amongst other bat-shit insane things.

Authored by Rep. Casey Cox, R-Fort Wayne, the bill would obligate both woman who sought abortions and women who miscarried responsible for the disposal of the fetus through cremation or internment. As well as additional trauma, this would likely increase the financial burden of their medical care.



The bill demands that a woman considering an abortion listen to the fetal heartbeat and view an ultrasound of the fetus 18 hours before the abortion procedure. She would have the option to sign a form to pass on this, and most Indiana women would have to. Only 4 out of 92 counties in Indiana have abortion providers, and the ultrasounds must be done at the same facility the abortion will be performed. That’s a lot of traveling and an 18 hour wait, meaning more cost and time away from home.

The classic “doctor must have hospital admitting privileges” clause is shoved in there, too, in case you thought they missed even the slightest opportunity to stick it to women’s health.

Another aspect of the bill is summarized thusly:

Prohibits a person from performing an abortion if the person knows that the pregnant woman is seeking the abortion solely because of: (1) the race, color, national origin, ancestry, or sex of the fetus; or (2) a diagnosis or potential diagnosis of the fetus having Down syndrome or any other disability. Provides for disciplinary sanctions and civil liability for wrongful death if a person knowingly or intentionally performs a sex selective abortion or an abortion conducted because of a diagnosis or potential diagnosis of Down syndrome or any other disability.

“Any other disability” is a broad spectrum that might force a woman to bring a baby to term who wont survive long past birth, potentially in great suffering, even if the pregnancy is high risk for the mother.

The bill passed the Indiana House 60-40. And it’s not even the only anti-abortion bill we reported on today.

[meganew]

Wait wait wait. So it's illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy due to a Down syndrome diagnosis? Or any other number of medical reasons?

What.

[isabel]

Mar 10, 2016 22:10:39 GMT -5 meganew said:

Wait wait wait. So it's illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy due to a Down syndrome diagnosis? Or any other number of medical reasons?

What.

It's for women's health. Carrying to term babies with disabilities that will cause them to die mere hours after birth make women healthier.

eta: Not saying that about DS, but in reference to the "any other disability" portion of the bill.

[feistypants]

I fucking quit. Fuck this.

[anonymous]

Rage rage rage.

[sangria]

Uh ok fuckers. So what, they will be conducting a fucking poll asking WHY you are seeking an abortion?

Well I didn't see "Because I fucking want one" on that list so there you go. That's the answer for everybody.

[mrsukyankee]

Hey! All you teens and 20-somethings who think feminism is no longer needed, shut the duck up and look at all of these States who are shutting down our autonomy.

[centralsquare]

Fuck this MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. I quit.

[WOT?*]

We can't quit. We have to be louder than the evangelicals and vote in people who are pro-choice (which is not pro-abortion!)

[wambam]

Not to derail the thread, but has anyone seen that atrocious, constitutionally invalid SB in Oklahoma? I have a FB acquaintance that calls herself an "abolitionist" and that's made up the entirety of her FB lately.

[isabel]

Mar 11, 2016 8:16:23 GMT -5 wambam said:

Not to derail the thread, but has anyone seen that atrocious, constitutionally invalid SB in Oklahoma? I have a FB acquaintance that calls herself an "abolitionist" and that's made up the entirety of her FB lately.

Link?

[wambam]

Mar 11, 2016 8:23:54 GMT -5 isabel said:

Mar 11, 2016 8:16:23 GMT -5 wambam said:

Not to derail the thread, but has anyone seen that atrocious, constitutionally invalid SB in Oklahoma? I have a FB acquaintance that calls herself an "abolitionist" and that's made up the entirety of her FB lately.

Link?

kfor.com/2016/03/08/oklahoma-bill-proposes-abortion-providers-face-murder-charges/

She says that it also makes IVF illegal. Because why not?

[DesertMoon]

It mentioned miscarriage costs? So if someone Has a natural MC they be like "well bitch you figure it out" ? That's asinine.

[sebd12]

I live in this state.
Is this something I can still contact my rep about or has that sailed? Can I email the governor? Will he even see it before it gets signed?
I am sadly pretty unfamiliar with the state legislative process but try to send emails/ letters when I can find a link/campaign for it. I can't find anything.
I honestly had no idea this was even going on. What a bullshit bill.

[MeMyselfandI]

Mar 11, 2016 8:45:50 GMT -5 sebd12 said:

I live in this state.
Is this something I can still contact my rep about or has that sailed? Can I email the governor? Will he even see it before it gets signed?
I am sadly pretty unfamiliar with the state legislative process but try to send emails/ letters when I can find a link/campaign for it. I can't find anything.
I honestly had no idea this was even going on. What a bullshit bill.

I live here too. It's currently on the governor's desk. As of now, as far as I know, he hasn't signed it yet. I don't know if we can email or not, but I'm furious with my state for so many reasons. Hoosier hospitality indeed.

[GilliC]

Mar 11, 2016 8:41:31 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

It mentioned miscarriage costs? So if someone Has a natural MC they be like "well bitch you figure it out" ? That's asinine.

While the abortion bit makes me ragey, this breaks my heart.

My mother (born, raised, and still living in Indiana) had a miscarriage before I was born, and it was so devastating for her that she's only mentioned it once in my entire life. Many women have similar reactions and face tremendous self-blame. This is truly kicking people when they're down.

(Not that I don't already have a million reasons that I can't stand Mike Pence and the current Indiana legislature.)

[DesertMoon]

Mar 11, 2016 9:49:01 GMT -5 GilliC said:

Mar 11, 2016 8:41:31 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

It mentioned miscarriage costs? So if someone Has a natural MC they be like "well bitch you figure it out" ? That's asinine.

While the abortion bit makes me ragey, this breaks my heart.

My mother (born, raised, and still living in Indiana) had a miscarriage before I was born, and it was so devastating for her that she's only mentioned it once in my entire life. Many women have similar reactions and face tremendous self-blame. This is truly kicking people when they're down.

(Not that I don't already have a million reasons that I can't stand Mike Pence and the current Indiana legislature.)

I had an mc in 2011. Passed the "sac" whole and didn't know what to do. I can't imagine being told "well, just google it Hun."

[MeMyselfandI]

sebd12 , Just got this email from the ACLU. I thought I'd pass it along.  Tell Pence not to sign HB1337

[simpsongal]

Holy sh*t, this is worse than I was expecting.

The Downs prohibition is bizarre to me. I mean, WTF am I getting my 12 week NT scan and 20 weeks anatomy scan for? I assume they've set aside State funds to assist with the lifetime care of children born w/DS.

[miniroller]

Mar 11, 2016 14:20:21 GMT -5 simpsongal said:

Holy sh*t, this is worse than I was expecting.

The Downs prohibition is bizarre to me. I mean, WTF am I getting my 12 week NT scan and 20 weeks anatomy scan for? I assume they've set aside State funds to assist with the lifetime care of children born w/DS.

Obviously created by men who have never been pregnant or fathered a child with Down's. I wish these chucklefucks would get what's coming to them; I'm becoming irrationally angry, sorry.
*ack: re-reading I want to make sure it's absolutely clear I'm not suggesting all Down's babies should be aborted, by any means. Simply that it shouldn't be my middle-aged, white, male lawmaker's decision.

[mrsukyankee]

Done. I'm done with fucking religion and white men making all the decisions in the States. FUCK THEM!  I don't even need Trump to be the next president to guarantee that I will never move back to the US.  This crap is doing it.  The UK has it's own issues but this takes the cake.  Done.

[isabel]

It wouldn't let me sign it with a Colorado address, so I used my in-law's. I wrote a rather lengthy personal message.

[isabel]

Mar 11, 2016 8:29:24 GMT -5 wambam said:

Mar 11, 2016 8:23:54 GMT -5 isabel said:

Link?

kfor.com/2016/03/08/oklahoma-bill-proposes-abortion-providers-face-murder-charges/

She says that it also makes IVF illegal. Because why not?

I don't fucking understand how you can even bring this forward. Women are allowed by federal fucking law to have an abortion!

I wish I had a fucking clue how to make this stop. It makes me so incredibly angry.