Was there a ruling that she had to pay the $12K/month temp spousal support until a judge ruled on continued support? Or did she do that just to avoid a squabble? If I was her I'd be PISSED if he waived that in the prenup but still had that awarded by a previous judge/court.
I've largely withheld opinion on this case because you just don't know what goes on behind closed doors even when they're a flagrantly public couple. But damn, a prenup is a prenup.
I say all this as an ex-spouse who received temp "spousal support" while separated from my XH. I have nothing against it in most situations.
I also think he's a giant douche who knew he was on camera and made sure that he seemed like the normal, family man and made Bethenny look unstable. I think he exploited this in their relationship b/c she knew she had/has issues and seemed to blame herself anytime they had problems and he allowed her to do so.
I also think he's a giant douche who knew he was on camera and made sure that he seemed like the normal, family man and made Bethenny look unstable. I think he exploited this in their relationship b/c she knew she had/has issues and seemed to blame herself anytime they had problems and he allowed her to do so.
He always seemed completely sane and kind... at least the few times I watched the show. What did she say about him in her court testimony?
Goodness. I don't know what to believe.
Me. Just believe me!
He seemed like a normal and nice guy at first and it was so nice that she had found someone. But that last season when things were going wrong there are scenes where you don't see what he does or says and you only see her reaction after the fact. And if memory serves there is a time where he is caught off camera talking to her being incredibly, incredibly nasty - like you never thought he could be like that. I think he was very aware of the cameras and wanted to make sure that he was always seen as the good guy when he was not. Bethenny has a lot of issues b/c she had such shitty parents - and she is well aware of them and was in therapy and she always blamed herself for their problems - like she didn't do X b/c she's afraid of Y, etc. And I feel like he never, ever took any responsibility for the problems they had or how they interacted with each other - b/c he was from this central PA nuclear family. I have issues b/c I don't have a relationship with my Dad, but my husband doesn't use that to blame me every time we have a problem.
I apparently care an awful lot about complete strangers.
He seemed like a normal and nice guy at first and it was so nice that she had found someone. But that last season when things were going wrong there are scenes where you don't see what he does or says and you only see her reaction after the fact. And if memory serves there is a time where he is caught off camera talking to her being incredibly, incredibly nasty - like you never thought he could be like that. I think he was very aware of the cameras and wanted to make sure that he was always seen as the good guy when he was not. Bethenny has a lot of issues b/c she had such shitty parents - and she is well aware of them and was in therapy and she always blamed herself for their problems - like she didn't do X b/c she's afraid of Y, etc. And I feel like he never, ever took any responsibility for the problems they had or how they interacted with each other - b/c he was from this central PA nuclear family. I have issues b/c I don't have a relationship with my Dad, but my husband doesn't use that to blame me every time we have a problem.
I apparently care an awful lot about complete strangers.
Damn. This is almost as good as when eclaires summarized months of Bold and the Beautiful for me. Thank you! I had no idea he was diabolical! And yes, Bethenny is very introspective. She can be an asshole, but she is never unaware. I can see her taking the blame. Ugh.
Lol you are not alone. Just look at the ratings for reality television!
Post by jojoandleo on Mar 23, 2016 13:48:17 GMT -5
suzyp-me too. He just reminded me of an ex that EVERYONE thought was SOOOOO NICE! But he was completely gaslighting me and totally manipulative when people weren't around.
Plus, he told her he would destroy her when they separated. He also sued her just for appearing on WWHL and saying the divorce was incredibly hard. GTFO with that shit. Claiming he was thinking about his daughter when he sued. No, he was thinking about money.
They had a prenup. She started SkinnyGirl before she even MET Jason. All they are fighting over now is money. And the court found Jason acted fraudulently when he helped create the trust to buy the apartment they are fighting over. So, yeah, he seems gross to me. And I care way too much.
I also identify with Bethenny because I tend to not have a filter and be a smart ass. So, I am ALLLLLL kinds of bias. Don't trust my opinion at all, sfy
suzyp -me too. He just reminded me of an ex that EVERYONE thought was SOOOOO NICE! But he was completely gaslighting me and totally manipulative when people weren't around.
Plus, he told her he would destroy her when they separated. He also sued her just for appearing on WWHL and saying the divorce was incredibly hard. GTFO with that shit. Claiming he was thinking about his daughter when he sued. No, he was thinking about money.
They had a prenup. She started SkinnyGirl before she even MET Jason. All they are fighting over now is money. And the court found Jason acted fraudulently when he helped create the trust to buy the apartment they are fighting over. So, yeah, he seems gross to me. And I care way too much.
I also identify with Bethenny because I tend to not have a filter and be a smart ass. So, I am ALLLLLL kinds of bias. Don't trust my opinion at all, sfy
I said that just today. I felt like he was gaslighting her. She was always crying around him and he just looked on disapprovingly. But I also had an ex that did this, too, so I may be sensitive to it.
I have no problem with spousal support. I think it is especially important in cases of DV. Someone who has been alienated from friends and family may not feel financially able to leave.
However, Jason always creeped me out. He seemed to only date Bethenny for the fame and money. They were married 2 1/2 years. He quit his job, sure, but at most was out of a job, what, 2 years? That's not that long of a break and he should be able to get back in the work force without too many problems. Now, someone who was a SAH spouse for, like, 10+ years? Or who never worked to stay home and raise a family? Different story. I think $12k for three years (that's longer than their marriage) was ridiculous. Of course, my feelings about Jason probably influence how I feel.
He worked for her brand though, (I thought?) so he changed jobs for her. Not the same as entirely leaving the workforce.
Yeah, but I still think he stopped his career to support her brand and can see him getting something for doing that. I think he was her business manager for a while? Or something?
Anyway, it wasn't very long. Homeboy could get a job and did not need $12K a month for three years for a 2 1/2 year marriage. In my completely biased opinion.
He always seemed completely sane and kind... at least the few times I watched the show. What did she say about him in her court testimony?
I dont remember everything, but I recall that she said he and his father would come out in their underwear when she had business meetings (or maybe it was photographers at the house? basically she made them sound pretty nutty). She said he would go to the bathroom and purposely not flush. There were issues with food for their daughter- I think Bethenny wanted her to be vegetarian and Jason would feed her meat? There was also something about how he would talk to their daughter about her, but I dont remember those details (and I'm being lazy, otherwise I'd google).
She also definitely accused him of threatening to ruin her and calling her crazy. I wouldnt be surprised if that was true. I feel like I also remember there being Blind Gossip postings that seemed to be about them around that time that basically said that he knows and has "proof" (I dont know what that would be) that she has an ED and how she is afraid of it getting out because it would impact the Skinnygirl brand.
In a way, I feel bad for him- I think he certainly enjoyed the fame that came with being her husband, but it also seemed like he did really want a family and such with her, and its probably not easy to have your marriage fall apart and dragged through the media. But I can definitely see him gaslighting her and not being the sweetheart he appeared to be on camera.
Wait a minute. I've never watched this show and obviously am just talking generally here. His temporary maintence lasted longer than their actual marriage? Say what now?
I wish you guys could see my faces. This is all so crazy! I should have known I would be Team Bethenny. How did I doubt this? I love her.
I like that she is a smartass though most people hate her. I just remember thinking that she is always super confident, but when around him she was always crying and doubting herself. It was weird.
I wish you guys could see my faces. This is all so crazy! I should have known I would be Team Bethenny. How did I doubt this? I love her.
I like that she is a smartass though most people hate her. I just remember thinking that she is always super confident, but when around him she was always crying and doubting herself. It was weird.
She cracks me up. When people don't like her, I assume their sense of humor sucks lol.
I hate to hear that, but I am not surprised. She can be very sensitive. We saw this when she fell out with Jill. She ultimately stayed strong, but I think it was really hard on her.
I wish you guys could see my faces. This is all so crazy! I should have known I would be Team Bethenny. How did I doubt this? I love her.
I like that she is a smartass though most people hate her. I just remember thinking that she is always super confident, but when around him she was always crying and doubting herself. It was weird.
My arm chair psychologist analysis is that in business, something that she could control she was amazing. She really created Skinny Girl from nothing to this multimillion dollar empire. She was told early on that there was no market for "female" oriented alcohol. And she kept on it - she was savvy enough to get on RHONY to get her brand out there. The first time you see a Skinny Girl margarita is when she's with Luann at some bar. She worked her ass off and is very business savvy.
But on the other hand, she is very much the opposite when it comes to relationships - she basically had no parents, no siblings (I don't think) and has a really hard time opening up and letting her guard down. So when she was with Jason she was always second guessing how she reacted to him, decisions she made in the relationship, etc. because she never really had role models for that. And she was very aware that she had these issues.
Wait a minute. I've never watched this show and obviously am just talking generally here. His temporary maintence lasted longer than their actual marriage? Say what now?
Well, They got married in March 2010, split in 2012 and filed for divorce January 2013. I am not positive when the spousal support was ordered. I thought it was at a hearing early on, but I could be 100% wrong.
suzyp -me too. He just reminded me of an ex that EVERYONE thought was SOOOOO NICE! But he was completely gaslighting me and totally manipulative when people weren't around.
Plus, he told her he would destroy her when they separated. He also sued her just for appearing on WWHL and saying the divorce was incredibly hard. GTFO with that shit. Claiming he was thinking about his daughter when he sued. No, he was thinking about money.
They had a prenup. She started SkinnyGirl before she even MET Jason. All they are fighting over now is money. And the court found Jason acted fraudulently when he helped create the trust to buy the apartment they are fighting over. So, yeah, he seems gross to me. And I care way too much.
I also identify with Bethenny because I tend to not have a filter and be a smart ass. So, I am ALLLLLL kinds of bias. Don't trust my opinion at all, sfy
I think there's a scene where they are getting on the helicopter that is very telling - if I remember correctly since it's been so long. But she wanted him to go to some event or something and he does something off camera and you only see her on camera basically hysterically crying for whatever he just did. So you never actually know what he did and you just see a hysterically, unstable, crying woman. That was when I realized that something was up.
And the issues with the divorce going on for so long has only solidified my opinions of him. So I will sit on the biased opinion couch with you.
sfy , I have approximately 40 years of General Hospital information if you are ever interested!
Lol! No, but thank you, haha--I remember a little about the Quartermaines from when I was younger, but I am a CBS fan!
I love your Bethenny and Jason recap, however, and I am nodding at your armchair psychology! I think you are right that she's an only child. Ugh, I feel so annoyed by him now I have more info. What a jerk.
suzyp I never watched their show much but always liked Bethenny. TBH, I got the same vibe from what little I watched. I remember feeling like something was up when she met his parents or maybe it was during the planning of their wedding. Something about him always tweaked my radar. I have a pretty normal family set up now, but my parents divorced when I was young. Later my stepfather adopted me, but my bio father walking out and having no relationship with me has always been there in how I interact in relationships. I think that's why I picked up on their vibe as being off. MH had a totally normal childhood, and while at times, we have struggled to see where the other was coming from, what little I saw of the show made me feel like there was something more nefarious at play and he was using it against her/making her insecure on purpose.
It's funny how different people interpret the same show. I'm team Jason. He was a business or marketing exec who left a comfortable position, to build Bethanny's Brand and Empire. I find her to be the worst, much like Martha Stewart, only younger, more desperate, and more willing to sell out for dollars.
She seemed awful to him, and her In Laws. A shitty childhood, and other issues, doesn't give her a pass for treating others horribly, being unstable, and being so blatantly self seeking. That's kind of like the background of nearly everyone who is in a talent position, in the industry, yet at some point, many get their shit together.
If I were him, and had had to put up with her sloppiness for 3 year, I'd go for everything, including full custody. I wouldn't want my child to be in the position of becoming a plot point in some comeback spinoff show. I mean look at how messed up Tamera & Simon Barney's younger children turned out, and what a mess Lynn's kids became.
You guys are pulling me in every direction . Where were you when I was still undecided?
The enlarged is what my friend said and I was inclined to believe this because Bethenny doesn't strike me as the respectful to elders type and because of her relationship with her own parents and stepfather (as an aside, I saw this dynamic happen again on this season of Newlyweds with that awful husband who has no relationship with his parents and is so disrespectful to his old-school Persian in-laws). Still, this guy sounds like a major gas-lighting asshole!
What is happening with Tamra and Simon's children? I wouldn't allow my child on reality television either, but in fairness, any child of Tamra and Simon would have to rally hard not to be a mess. And Lynn's children were awful on the show, day one. They never listened. Lynn and that husband never bothered. Actually, every kid from RHOC is pretty awful, except maybe Kara. Heather and Terry's children, we don't see enough/too young to call. But the rest were all horrible, no respect. They are, hands down, the worst children of any franchise, I've always said that.
Post by bernsteincat on Mar 23, 2016 15:12:26 GMT -5
I always found Bethenny to be hilarious. This past season of RHONY when she met up with her father's friend in Miami, that was some really fucked up stuff she was describing from her childhood. Between that, being slightly manic, and NY tough, her personality is no surprise, but she owns it and does her best to keep it light so she doesn't get set off. Her and Carole being BFFs makes total sense.
I mean look at how messed up Tamera & Simon Barney's younger children turned out, and what a mess Lynn's kids became.
I need some links here, what happened?
Tamera's daughter Sydney basically doesn't speak to her. Simon was adamant that they not be included on RHOC once they divorced and I think Tamera fought it. It's just awful and messy from what I can tell.
Lynne's kids are f'ed up - but they were that way on the show. The one does porn. I read something where she started to do it to buy a car or something and thought if she did it under a fake name no one would know. I think it's the younger one who didn't seem very smart when they were on the show.
Oooooo I know nothing about the kids of OC housewives other than Jeana's kids are huge c-u-next-Tuesdays. TELL ME MORE.
If someone told me that Shane tortures animals, slaps babies and trips old people, I would absolutely believe it. Without hesitation. He's a terrible person. I think I did see some of that SYTTD (btw, Housewives, SYTTD, this thread has it all), but I'm having trouble recalling. But listen, don't get me wrong. My only point is not she was not as bad as her brothers and the other kids, but honestly, that's not saying very much. She's just basically the only RHOC kid that I think would pour water on a person who was on fire (again, with the exception of Heather's kids, because most of them are too young to call).
I think you're right, eclaires. They never stood a chance. I question whether I've ever seen Lynne sober. But tbh, I don't know if she's on something or just clueless, but either way. Her and that husband (wth is his name??) were so self-involved, I think those girls could have gone missing for a week before they would have noticed.
It's starting back soon, bernsteincat! They're already showing commercials.
Tamera's daughter Sydney basically doesn't speak to her. Simon was adamant that they not be included on RHOC once they divorced and I think Tamera fought it. It's just awful and messy from what I can tell.
Lynne's kids are f'ed up - but they were that way on the show. The one does porn. I read something where she started to do it to buy a car or something and thought if she did it under a fake name no one would know. I think it's the younger one who didn't seem very smart when they were on the show.
Oooooo I know nothing about the kids of OC housewives other than Jeana's kids are huge c-u-next-Tuesdays. TELL ME MORE.
If someone told me that Shane tortures animals, slaps babies and trips old people, I would absolutely believe it. Without hesitation. He's a terrible person. I think I did see some of that SYTTD (btw, Housewives, SYTTD, this thread has it all), but I'm having trouble recalling. But listen, don't get me wrong. My only point is not she was not as bad as her brothers and the other kids, but honestly, that's not saying very much. She's just basically the only RHOC kid that I think would pour water on a person who was on fire (again, with the exception of Heather's kids, because most of them are too young to call).
I think you're right, eclaires . They never stood a chance. I question whether I've ever seen Lynne sober. But tbh, I don't know if she's on something or just clueless, but either way. Her and that husband (wth is his name??) were so self-involved, I think those girls could have gone missing for a week before they would have noticed.
It's starting back soon, bernsteincat ! They're already showing commercials.
What about Vicki's kids? We don't see Michael anymore, but I really like Briana.
The episode where Vicki surprises Michael at college is seriously one of the best ever.
Oooooo I know nothing about the kids of OC housewives other than Jeana's kids are huge c-u-next-Tuesdays. TELL ME MORE.
If someone told me that Shane tortures animals, slaps babies and trips old people, I would absolutely believe it. Without hesitation. He's a terrible person. I think I did see some of that SYTTD (btw, Housewives, SYTTD, this thread has it all), but I'm having trouble recalling. But listen, don't get me wrong. My only point is not she was not as bad as her brothers and the other kids, but honestly, that's not saying very much. She's just basically the only RHOC kid that I think would pour water on a person who was on fire (again, with the exception of Heather's kids, because most of them are too young to call).
I think you're right, eclaires . They never stood a chance. I question whether I've ever seen Lynne sober. But tbh, I don't know if she's on something or just clueless, but either way. Her and that husband (wth is his name??) were so self-involved, I think those girls could have gone missing for a week before they would have noticed.
It's starting back soon, bernsteincat ! They're already showing commercials.
What about Vicki's daughter, Briana? I can't stand her husband but she doesn't seem like a terrible person at all.