Trump calls for major investigation into voter fraud

[lilibet]

Jan 25, 2017 12:56:40 GMT -5 blueberry10 said:

Because it's my Hamilton day, I'm just gonna say what's been running through my head every time there's something new from him:

Sit down DON, you fat motherf*cker!

When I listen to the mixtape I also say Don and I pretty much scream "I'm confining you to one term" at this point.



You know he's already working on a spin for how it's ok that his people are registered in multiple places, that's not what he's worried about, it's the illegals!!!!1!!!

[Smolinsk]

Jan 25, 2017 22:50:07 GMT -5 litebright said:

Jan 25, 2017 8:52:01 GMT -5 Linie said:

An honest but maybe embarrassing question from a non-US person: #45 claims that illegal (I understand people without papers) residents have voted. Is that even possible? If you have no papers, how could you vote?

Or doesn't he understand the voting process?

Well, there are potentially some issues. For instance, here in CO with voting by mail, when people move and don't change their address or registration or die and their ballot still gets sent out. I know when I was canvassing for HRC, I ran into one couple who mentioned that they had received the former occupant's ballot (who was the person I was looking for). They said they were going to shred it, but they certainly could have filled it out and mailed it in. It would have been illegal, but I'm not exactly sure how anyone counting that vote would know. Particularly if the previous owner hadn't changed her registration to a new CO address, had moved to another state or had died. 

For apartment buildings, that could be a problem. I canvassed many apartment buildings and there were a lot of registered voters who were still on the rolls but no longer lived at their addresses, but their ballots would presumably still be sent out to those addresses unless they were currently registered somewhere else in CO.  

I don't know specifically how undocumented immigrants supposedly get their ballots, though. 

I don't know how it is in other states but in Colorado they compare your signature on your ballot to the signature that they have on file (either from your drivers license or voter registration I think). If the signatures don't match they send a letter and you have 8 days to go to your county clerks office and prove it was your ballot so it will be counted.

[aurora]

Jan 25, 2017 22:50:07 GMT -5 litebright said:

Jan 25, 2017 8:52:01 GMT -5 Linie said:

An honest but maybe embarrassing question from a non-US person: #45 claims that illegal (I understand people without papers) residents have voted. Is that even possible? If you have no papers, how could you vote?

Or doesn't he understand the voting process?

Well, there are potentially some issues. For instance, here in CO with voting by mail, when people move and don't change their address or registration or die and their ballot still gets sent out. I know when I was canvassing for HRC, I ran into one couple who mentioned that they had received the former occupant's ballot (who was the person I was looking for). They said they were going to shred it, but they certainly could have filled it out and mailed it in. It would have been illegal, but I'm not exactly sure how anyone counting that vote would know. Particularly if the previous owner hadn't changed her registration to a new CO address, had moved to another state or had died. 

For apartment buildings, that could be a problem. I canvassed many apartment buildings and there were a lot of registered voters who were still on the rolls but no longer lived at their addresses, but their ballots would presumably still be sent out to those addresses unless they were currently registered somewhere else in CO.  

I don't know specifically how undocumented immigrants supposedly get their ballots, though. 

They check the signature on the envelope before accepting the ballot, so it seems unlikely the new residents would have known the prior ones well enough to forge the signatures. Maybe in a family relationship (e.g., parent fills ballot out for 19-year old kid who has recently moved out).

[aurora]

Or I could have waited for Smolinsk to post.

[litebright]

Jan 25, 2017 23:12:00 GMT -5 Smolinsk said:

Jan 25, 2017 22:50:07 GMT -5 litebright said:

Well, there are potentially some issues. For instance, here in CO with voting by mail, when people move and don't change their address or registration or die and their ballot still gets sent out. I know when I was canvassing for HRC, I ran into one couple who mentioned that they had received the former occupant's ballot (who was the person I was looking for). They said they were going to shred it, but they certainly could have filled it out and mailed it in. It would have been illegal, but I'm not exactly sure how anyone counting that vote would know. Particularly if the previous owner hadn't changed her registration to a new CO address, had moved to another state or had died. 

For apartment buildings, that could be a problem. I canvassed many apartment buildings and there were a lot of registered voters who were still on the rolls but no longer lived at their addresses, but their ballots would presumably still be sent out to those addresses unless they were currently registered somewhere else in CO.  

I don't know specifically how undocumented immigrants supposedly get their ballots, though. 

I don't know how it is in other states but in Colorado they compare your signature on your ballot to the signature that they have on file (either from your drivers license or voter registration I think). If the signatures don't match they send a letter and you have 8 days to go to your county clerks office and prove it was your ballot so it will be counted.

You're right, they do. And I guess I do remember hearing on FB that some people had their perfectly legal ballots questioned because their signatures didn't match closely enough, so they must be sticklers.