Trump Threatens to Change Course of American Christianity

[heyjude]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/07/17/trump-threatens-to-change-the-course-of-american-christianity/

[jeaniebueller]

Many far left evangelicals will vote GOP just because of abortion. I was in the bible belt part of my state over the weekend and saw numerous pro life themed billboards and advertisements. That is the issue for them. They don't care who leads the GOP, as long as the GOP puts forth anti abortion legislation.

[lolo]

I have heard this from many posters here:

'Other evangelicals are experiencing a crisis of faith as they look around in their white congregations on Sunday morning and realize that so many fellow Christians were willing to turn a blind eye to all that Trump represents.'

[wambam]

Jul 17, 2017 12:20:41 GMT -5 lolo said:

I have heard this from many posters here:

'Other evangelicals are experiencing a crisis of faith as they look around in their white congregations on Sunday morning and realize that so many fellow Christians were willing to turn a blind eye to all that Trump represents.'

*raises hand*

I'm not sure I'm even a Christian anymore because of their horseshit.

[candreco]

Judging by my cousin's wife's facebook postings, it's partly based on the "but innocent babies!!!1!1!11!" view of abortion, and partly on a willingness to play to xenophobia. Sanctity of life and all, but only the lives they think are worthwhile.

She commented on something on my mom's page during the election that she just didn't understand how anyone that called themselves Christian could vote for someone that was pro-choice, and the replies she got about how she could be pro-life without including the lives of the mother, the refugee, the sick, the poor, and so on, complete with quoted scripture, was amazing. Don't mess with my mom's cadre of liberal, Christian education-professional colleagues.

[bowies]

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/17/pro-life-movement-joke-and-trumpcare-proves-column/482800001/

[aurora]

Jul 17, 2017 12:47:30 GMT -5 bowies said:

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/17/pro-life-movement-joke-and-trumpcare-proves-column/482800001/

Hypocrites.

[katieinthecity]

Jul 17, 2017 12:37:35 GMT -5 candreco said:

Judging by my cousin's wife's facebook postings, it's partly based on the "but innocent babies!!!1!1!11!" view of abortion, and partly on a willingness to play to xenophobia. Sanctity of life and all, but only the lives they think are worthwhile.

She commented on something on my mom's page during the election that she just didn't understand how anyone that called themselves Christian could vote for someone that was pro-choice, and the replies she got about how she could be pro-life without including the lives of the mother, the refugee, the sick, the poor, and so on, complete with quoted scripture, was amazing. Don't mess with my mom's cadre of liberal, Christian education-professional colleagues.

The bolded is 100% my hard-right Roman Catholic family, my mom included. We had a big blowout during the 2004 election that culminated in her telling me I was voting for a baby killer (Kerry) and me responding by telling her she only cared about unborn white babies, not living brown babies. 

We now have a pretty superficial relationship. It's awful. 

[rouquinette]

Jul 17, 2017 12:37:35 GMT -5 candreco said:

Judging by my cousin's wife's facebook postings, it's partly based on the "but innocent babies!!!1!1!11!" view of abortion, and partly on a willingness to play to xenophobia. Sanctity of life and all, but only the lives they think are worthwhile.

She commented on something on my mom's page during the election that she just didn't understand how anyone that called themselves Christian could vote for someone that was pro-choice, and the replies she got about how she could be pro-life without including the lives of the mother, the refugee, the sick, the poor, and so on, complete with quoted scripture, was amazing. Don't mess with my mom's cadre of liberal, Christian education-professional colleagues.

Love this.  During the 2008 election, my priest ruffled more than a few feathers when he said that being pro-life was about more than being anti-abortion.  One of the many reasons I respect the hell out of that man.

I think that so many on the Christian right assume that the GOP stands for what they value without actually listening to what is actually being said/done.  The GOP has done a fantastic job of fear-mongering while holding themselves out to be some kind of defense against 'traditional' values that are 'under attack', and I think it's just easier for these people to write off anyone else as 'not standing for Christian values' rather than come to the very scary realization that the GOP has been lying to them and are a greater threat to what they hold dear than the 'liberals.'

[sushi]

Black southern Baptist resigns his ordinary citing anti black anti lgbtq, pro trump views

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/why-im-leaving-the-southern-baptist- convention.html

[MrsAxilla]

Jul 17, 2017 12:47:30 GMT -5 bowies said:

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/17/pro-life-movement-joke-and-trumpcare-proves-column/482800001/

WTF I got a paywall on USAToday!!

[miniroller]

Jul 17, 2017 14:32:21 GMT -5 sushi said:

Black southern Baptist resigns his ordinary citing anti black anti lgbtq, pro trump views

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/why-im-leaving-the-southern-baptist- convention.html

I think the link was broken but really encourage reading 👍
mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/why-im-leaving-the-southern-baptist-convention.html

[aurora]

Jul 17, 2017 14:34:11 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Jul 17, 2017 12:47:30 GMT -5 bowies said:

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/17/pro-life-movement-joke-and-trumpcare-proves-column/482800001/

WTF I got a paywall on USAToday!!

I did, too, but then I clicked Back and then clicked the link again and it worked without a paywall. Weird.

[janetplanet20]

Jul 17, 2017 15:36:53 GMT -5 miniroller said:

Jul 17, 2017 14:32:21 GMT -5 sushi said:

Black southern Baptist resigns his ordinary citing anti black anti lgbtq, pro trump views

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/why-im-leaving-the-southern-baptist- convention.html

I think the link was broken but really encourage reading 👍
mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/why-im-leaving-the-southern-baptist-convention.html

This was a great read. I grew up in a southern baptist church and left it once I graduated from HS and my mom stopped making me attend. I questioned a lot of things in the church growing up ("true love waits", women can't be pastors, anti abortion and picketing places like Planned Parenthood, no dancing, etc etc etc). I went to an EV Free church for a year or so after college, but eventually just stopped going to church all together. I question SO much about religion now, and a lot of that stems from the extreme hypocrisy I see in Christians that are anti-abortion, anti-refugees, pro wall, pro Trump, etc.

[tigermom]

Jul 17, 2017 12:20:41 GMT -5 lolo said:

I have heard this from many posters here:

'Other evangelicals are experiencing a crisis of faith as they look around in their white congregations on Sunday morning and realize that so many fellow Christians were willing to turn a blind eye to all that Trump represents.'

This describes me perfectly. I'm still struggling with relating to the majority of the congregation in my church, but I actually think his has ultimately strengthened my faith. This has confirmed my belief that the "religious right" no longer represents the ideals of Jesus, if they ever did in the first place. I don't know what kind of perverted version of Christianity they identify with, but I'm convinced it's not a faith driven by Jesus. Those of you who are struggling with your beliefs because of all of this, find peace in knowing that these conservative ideals do not come from Jesus, regardless of what the "religious right" has to say about him. 

For those of other faiths or belief systems, please know that these people do not represent me as a Christian and I do not believe that they speak for Jesus. I completely understand why people have been driven away from Christianity, we only have ourselves to blame because we allowed the religious right to become the vocal majority.

I have found peace through the words of a number of people/groups over the last year or so, feel free to look them up:
Rev. William Barber
Shane Claiborne
John Pavlovitz
Red Letter Christians
Rachel Held Evans
Nadia Bolz-Weber