Are you kidding me re: Paul Ryan

[soontobeka]

Paul Ryan used a strong dose of social conservatism to push back on a central message of President Obama’s: That Americans need to pull together and sacrifice in order to improve the country as a whole.

Ryan told the social conservatives gathered for the Values Voter Summit in Washington Friday that Obama’s argument is disingenuous because Obama believes in abortion rights.

“‘We’re all in this together’ — it has a nice ring,” Ryan said. “For everyone who loves this country, it is not only true but obvious. Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”

Ryan, who believes that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape and incest, cast Obama as an abortion extremist in the speech.

“President Obama has chosen to pander to the most extreme elements of his party,” Ryan said. “In the Clinton years, the stated goal was to make abortion ‘safe, legal and rare.’ But that was a different time, and a different president. Now, apparently, the Obama-Biden ticket stands for an absolute, unqualified right to abortion — at any time, under any circumstances, and even at taxpayer expense.”

Ryan used the Democratic platform’s language about abortion against the president. Conservatives have balked that the assertion that abortions should be “safe, legal and rare” that appeared in past Democratic platforms is no longer there.

But Obama has personally used the “safe, legal and rare” phrasing in the past.

Romney has publicly distanced himself from the GOP platform’s stance on abortion, which makes no mention of exceptions to an out-right ban.
2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/paul-ryan-obama-cant-say-were-in-this-together-because-hes-pro-choice.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

[ESF]

Lalala I can't hear you over the sound of the budget being busted into awesomeness.

[basilosaurus]

Sept 14, 2012 17:03:40 GMT -5 ESF said:

Lalala I can't hear you over the sound of the budget being busted into awesomeness.

LOL. Literally.

Don't worry, he won't affect policy. Except budget. But nothing else.

[marie427]

"President Obama has chosen to pander to the extreme elements of his party, Ryan said."

Hmmmm, where have I heard this before?

[heyjude]

Jobs...economy...debt....wut?

[Deleted]

Sept 14, 2012 17:12:15 GMT -5 marie427 said:

"President Obama has chosen to pander to the extreme elements of his party, Ryan said."

Hmmmm, where have I heard this before?

Hey Kettle

[Deleted]

Don't worry y'all. He is running as a fiscal conservative.

I also love how now Rs talk so fondly of Clinton.

[teflep]

So, he spoke about social conservative values to social conservatives? Holy hell what waaaas he thinking?

[soontobeka]

Sept 14, 2012 18:04:48 GMT -5 teflep said:

So, he spoke about social conservative values to social conservatives? Holy hell what waaaas he thinking?

And to think that he called Obama out for pandering

[teflep]

Sept 14, 2012 18:19:36 GMT -5 soontobeka said:

Sept 14, 2012 18:04:48 GMT -5 teflep said:

So, he spoke about social conservative values to social conservatives? Holy hell what waaaas he thinking?

And to think that he called Obama out for pandering

He's a politician . Doublespeak is their 1st language

[heyjude]

Didn't we have an entire conversation on here where we talked about how he wouldn't be running as a social conservative (whatever that even meant)?

[teflep]

Sept 14, 2012 18:42:44 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Didn't we have an entire conversation on here where we talked about how he wouldn't be running as a social conservative (whatever that even meant)?

conversation? It was the meme for the first week.

[MrsAxilla]

Sept 14, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5 soontobeka said:

“President Obama has chosen to pander to the most extreme elements of his party,” Ryan said. “In the Clinton years, the stated goal was to make abortion ‘safe, legal and rare.’ But that was a different time, and a different president. Now, apparently, the Obama-Biden ticket stands for an absolute, unqualified right to abortion — at any time, under any circumstances, and even at taxpayer expense.”

Lying motherfucking liar!

[batsteph]

Sept 14, 2012 18:46:45 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Sept 14, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5 soontobeka said:

“President Obama has chosen to pander to the most extreme elements of his party,” Ryan said. “In the Clinton years, the stated goal was to make abortion ‘safe, legal and rare.’ But that was a different time, and a different president. Now, apparently, the Obama-Biden ticket stands for an absolute, unqualified right to abortion — at any time, under any circumstances, and even at taxpayer expense.”

Lying motherfucking liar!

At least he's consistent.

[tlkdhk]

Sept 14, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5 soontobeka said:

But Obama has personally used the “safe, legal and rare” phrasing in the past.

When did Obama use that? I remember Lieberman using that phrase but I never saw it associated with Obama.

[heyjude]

Sept 14, 2012 21:00:49 GMT -5 tlkdhk said:

Sept 14, 2012 16:56:58 GMT -5 soontobeka said:

But Obama has personally used the “safe, legal and rare” phrasing in the past.

When did Obama use that? I remember Lieberman using that phrase but I never saw it associated with Obama.

I really hate that phrase. I only remember HRC using it.

[tlkdhk]

Sept 14, 2012 21:46:33 GMT -5 heyjude said:

Sept 14, 2012 21:00:49 GMT -5 tlkdhk said:

When did Obama use that? I remember Lieberman using that phrase but I never saw it associated with Obama.

I really hate that phrase. I only remember HRC using it.

I have found any evidence of Obama using it so I don't know where that author was coming from. Obama has voted against any laws that would ban or limit live birth abortion so I can't imagine he cares about "rare."

[Deleted]

I think the rare part comes in by offering comprehensive sex ed, free birth control and wellness checks and social programs that would support poor mothers, etc.

Persuading people to do what you want is generally not best achieved by making one choice illegal.

[tlkdhk]

Sept 16, 2012 9:49:32 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Sept 16, 2012 8:14:56 GMT -5 tlkdhk said:

I have found any evidence of Obama using it so I don't know where that author was coming from. Obama has voted against any laws that would ban or limit live birth abortion so I can't imagine he cares about "rare."

If by "live birth" you mean assisting fetuses born alive after an induced termination, Obama voted against this law because its language could have been used to make abortion illegal in general. Here is an overview:

www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

So the better option was to allow babies born alive to lay there and die in Chicago's Christ hospital. But as the website says, "Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation." It still relates to how fetuses born alive were treated. We are still talking about an IL law vs the federal law (Roe V Wade is federal, of course)

The point is that the article posted claimed that Obama use the term "safe, legal and rare." I haven't been able to confirm that and, apparently, no one else can either.

[Deleted]

Sept 14, 2012 17:53:06 GMT -5 @mrsbecky07 said:

Don't worry y'all. He is running as a fiscal conservative.

I also love how now Rs talk so fondly of Clinton.

Seriously.

[soontobeka]

Here is where Obama used the phrase, "safe! Legal and rare":

"Now, with respect to the abortion issue, I actually think — I mean, there are laws both federal, state and constitutional that are in place. And I think that this is an area where I think Bill Clinton had the right formulation a couple of decades ago, which is abortion should be safe, legal, and rare," Obama said.

www.lifenews.com/2010/09/28/nat-6734/

[basilosaurus]

sbp, I think she's referring to the protect infant born alive act (or something like that name) that Obama voted against when he was in IL. It's been a talking point of the anti-choice side for years.

Which is stupid b/c a) the protections they claimed they wanted were already law there and b) the wording was so vague that it could have extended to other abortions which of course is what they really want.