NBC: Trump likely to end DACA

[biscoffcookies]

DHS sent a recommendation to the White House that DACA be ended (...of course it did, when they have a bunch of people from FAIR over there as appointees) and of course Sessions also hates it and has been meeting with the WH about it recently. And plus also the base will love it.

The big question now appears to be if he will end it effective immediately or gradually - i.e. let Dreamers stay here until their current paperwork expires.

[picksthemusic]

Those motherfuckers.

[sushi]

Aug 25, 2017 16:10:45 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

Those motherfuckers.

qft

[anlo]

But he's not a racist! He just wants to deport these kids, shut down the government over his wall, and pardon Arpaio. Nope, definitely not a racist.

[sofamonkey]

45's new campaign tshirts:

[seeyalater52]

I hate them.

[suburbanzookeeper]

I'm surprised he waited this long. His base is going to eat it up after what has happened this month.

[thejackpot]

It is going to take generations to fix the damage from his dumb ass.

[sonrisa]

Next ICE rounds up former DACA kids since they have all the info. I've been waiting for him to announce it since November 9th.

[ECB]

The more he panders to his base, the more he pisses off everyone else. He is always so so so short sighted. His base isn't over 1/2 the country.

[Jalapeñomel]

This burns me to no end. Come to my school and tell my students to their faces why you are doing this.

[Nightlight]

Trump's a coward so we'll see. It may be posturing like with North Korea all over again for some attention and leverage. A pathway for Dreamer kids tends to poll somewhat well for whatever's that worth

[winecat]

Fucking deplorable motherfucker.

[biscoffcookies]

Aug 25, 2017 18:28:31 GMT -5 ECB said:

The more he panders to his base, the more he pisses off everyone else. He is always so so so short sighted. His base isn't over 1/2 the country.

But it doesn't matter. Because of "But Gorsuch" and "but tax reform" and "but possible future Supreme Court seats" and "but regulations." Even "normal" Republicans will show up and tick the box with the R next to it because to them the ends justify the means. They will be "troubled" and "concerned" and tell pollsters they don't approve but at the end of the day they will come home to the GOP on Election Day.

[5thofjuly]

Aug 25, 2017 19:55:13 GMT -5 biscoffcookies said:

Aug 25, 2017 18:28:31 GMT -5 ECB said:

The more he panders to his base, the more he pisses off everyone else. He is always so so so short sighted. His base isn't over 1/2 the country.

But it doesn't matter. Because of "But Gorsuch" and "but tax reform" and "but possible future Supreme Court seats" and "but regulations." Even "normal" Republicans will show up and tick the box with the R next to it because to them the ends justify the means. They will be "troubled" and "concerned" and tell pollsters they don't approve but at the end of the day they will come home to the GOP on Election Day.

Eh, I tend to go optimistically here and think a lot of them just won't go vote. Just like Obama's charisma brought a lot of voters out of the woodwork, Trump's charisma (barf!) appealed to a certain group who might not otherwise vote as well. Combined with the fact that Hillary turned out to be a candidate who, for one reason or another, led a lot to stay home, we got the perfect storm....at least that's what lets me sleep at night.

[andwhat]

Get ready for 4 more years.

[thebulldog]

Aug 26, 2017 6:57:58 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Get ready for 4 more years.

Yup. He will not be impeached and he will be re elected.

[andwhat]

Aug 26, 2017 8:48:48 GMT -5 thebulldog said:

Aug 26, 2017 6:57:58 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Get ready for 4 more years.

Yup. He will not be impeached and he will be re elected.

And there is no viable alternative. Although I did see today that Kasich is considering partnering up with a Dem and running in 2020. lol But the Dems have no top candidate and the party is really fractured. Plus the Dems and the rest of the GOP are not playing by 2017 rules. The only one understanding and taking advantage is 45. The Dem nominee needs to get social media and know how to use it to their advantage. They need to bypass the media and go straight to the constituents. And I say that as someone who thinks a free media is extremely important. 

[Pom]

Aug 25, 2017 16:52:15 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

45's new campaign tshirts:

Only slightly more clear than MAGA.

[scout8]

Can we please stop with the he will never be impeached and will get another 4 years? None of us have any idea what is going to happen next. That attitude makes me feel like I should just give up and not fight. That isn't helpful at all.

[andwhat]

Aug 26, 2017 9:58:38 GMT -5 scout8 said:

Can we please stop with the he will never be impeached and will get another 4 years? None of us have any idea what is going to happen next. That attitude makes me feel like I should just give up and not fight. That isn't helpful at all.

Sorry you feel that way, but didn't being in an echo chamber and not listening to outside perspectives have people here and elsewhere convinced that Clinton was going to be president? What if I said stop posting he was going to get impeached with every drop of a leak? I didn't know only one viewpoint was allowed here. Well I did, but...

[scout8]

Aug 26, 2017 10:07:31 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Aug 26, 2017 9:58:38 GMT -5 scout8 said:

Can we please stop with the he will never be impeached and will get another 4 years? None of us have any idea what is going to happen next. That attitude makes me feel like I should just give up and not fight. That isn't helpful at all.

Sorry you feel that way, but didn't being in an echo chamber and not listening to outside perspectives have people here and elsewhere convinced that Clinton was going to be president? What if I said stop posting he was going to get impeached with every drop of a leak? I didn't know only one viewpoint was allowed here. Well I did, but...

No, I don't think that anyone should be making predictions either way. I have no idea if he will be impeached and neither does anyone else. 

[sonrisa]

Aug 26, 2017 6:57:58 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Get ready for 4 more years.

Yes.

Repealing DACA will alienate and anger plenty of people - but very few of those people are Trump voters. His base will see this as Trump following through on his promises. This will be how he implements his "build the wall" bullshit.

(scout8 - this isn't knee jerk, nihilistic "Nothing matters, nobody's watching, he can do whatever shit he wants with impunity" talk. Repealing DACA would be cruel, but it was a predictable result of almost any republican president - not just our nazi in chief. It isn't grounds for impeachment and it would appeal to his base. and help reelection)

[Nightlight]

So, going by this article

www.cnn.com/2017/08/29/politics/trump-daca-immigration-decision/index.html

the decision on DACA will be made by Sept 5 because that's the deadline before it's challenged by unfriendly states along with DAPA. It would need to be defended by Sessions which is not going to happen. Congress is the only solution and there is a Republican plan and a Democratic plan. It may be used as a bargaining tool against Democrats. Trump actually can shrug it off as not his responsibility because he isn't the aggressor if he lets the clock run out.

Immigration is not a popular fight for Democrats. I admire President Obama for many reasons but pretty uniformly his record on immigration and the effort he actually expended compared to his campaign promises was terrible. DACA was a political move that also helped undocumented immigrants. We'll see what happens considering it's going to affect 800,000 people but it's not looking good.

[Nightlight]

In terms of "four more years," there are two main takeaways from news like this: what's being done to help and how to help, and how it affects Trump's run for 2020. Both are necessary. If the 2020 column overwhelms the current resistance and help column, then that is counterproductive.

[heyjude]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/31/dont-buy-the-latest-round-of-laughable-trump-white-house-spin/

1. Ending DACA hurts businesses that legally employ Dreamers.

2. 64% of Americans support protecting Dreamers.