More democrat F ups in VA governors race

[karinothing]

Ralph Northam announced that he would ban sanctuary cities. VA has no sanctuary cities. There are no plans for sanctuary cities. The cities and counties have pretty much said they aren't going to happen. But he said he would ban them (likely in response to Gillespie's ad that sanctuary cities are causing MS13 to kill us all). NOW DFA announced he is a racist and are pulling all their support for him and denouncing him.

I am over everything. Is there anything else we can do to give this governor's race over to the republicans.

ETA: I think Northam is stupid for speaking on this topic and DFA is stupid for creating headlines which now say "PROGRESSIVE GROUPS DENOUNCE NORTHAM"

Plus there is no one else to freaken support! It is not like we have a third option.

[andwhat]

So they think Gillespie is a better option?

I get not liking what he said, but as you said, there is only one alternative.

[isabel]

Why on earth would he say he’s going to ban sanctuary cities!?

[bex]

oh FFS (to all sides.) What a mess.

[karinothing]

Nov 3, 2017 6:56:12 GMT -5 isabel said:

Why on earth would he say he’s going to ban sanctuary cities!?

Because Gillespie put out a very effective commercial which said MS 13 was going to kill us all through sanctuary cities and it cause him to rise in the polls. Northam was addressing the large part of VA that is not democrat. Again. I am not saying I agree, but he was doing it to appease voters that were switching to Gillespie.

And again, there will never be a sanctuary city in VA (well at least there are no current plans for one, it is really a non issue for either candidate).

[bowies]

From what I’ve seen this morning, DFA never endorsed Northam so they’re taking a cue from Donna Brazile and seizing an opportunity for a headline. It’s hard to pull nonexistent support.

Howard Dean has been vocal in denouncing DFA for the stunt - his own group!

But, to your point, yes the left has ideological purity issues and grandstanding issues that are being exploited now.

[karinothing]

Nov 3, 2017 6:59:10 GMT -5 bowies said:

From what I’ve seen this morning, DFA never endorsed Northam so they’re taking a cue from Donna Brazile and seizing an opportunity for a headline. It’s hard to pull nonexistent support.

Howard Dean has been vocal in denouncing DFA for the stunt - his own group!

But, to your point, yes the left has ideological purity issues and grandstanding issues that are being exploited now.

What a flipping mess.

[bowies]

Nov 3, 2017 7:00:48 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Nov 3, 2017 6:59:10 GMT -5 bowies said:

From what I’ve seen this morning, DFA never endorsed Northam so they’re taking a cue from Donna Brazile and seizing an opportunity for a headline. It’s hard to pull nonexistent support.

Howard Dean has been vocal in denouncing DFA for the stunt - his own group!

But, to your point, yes the left has ideological purity issues and grandstanding issues that are being exploited now.

What a flipping mess.

Yeah. I’m a leftie in Virginia and pay zero attention to all these organizing groups. So many bros, and that’s not a new development.

[bowies]

I know we’re all freaking out and on edge because of the huge implications of this election but the sane voices are all saying that polling has held steady on this one - yes, a couple of outliers in both directions - but the fundamentals aren’t changing. Trump voters were always going to eventually go “home” to Gillespie. That has happened.

It comes down to turnout, like always.

[Velvetshady]

Meh. I'm hoping it will sway back any voters that "swayed" to Gillespie over the MS-13 pile of lies. It's not like *this* is the issue educated voters are making their pick based on. So if it sways back some of the uneducated/reactionary voters, I'm not mad. It's not like these two are sooo close on other issues that *this* one issue would be the difference in why you vote for either.

[turnipthebeet]

This is more of the purity test bullshit that dems are famous for. Anyone who is a dem needs to still vote for the dem candidate. We aren't in a position to be super choosy this go around.

[bowies]

Nov 3, 2017 8:18:21 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

Meh. I'm hoping it will sway back any voters that "swayed" to Gillespie over the MS-13 pile of lies. It's not like *this* is the issue educated voters are making their pick based on. So if it sways back some of the uneducated/reactionary voters, I'm not mad. It's not like these two are sooo close on other issues that *this* one issue would be the difference in why you vote for either.

I don’t think anybody was swayed from Northam to Gillespie. I do think it will motivate a fair number of the “I don’t give a fuck about Gillespie” Trump voters to show up and vote though. That’s who these ads are aiming for - the ones who won’t pass up an opportunity to vote against the scary “other” they love to hate.

[bowies]

I WFH and I’ve had no less than 3 knocks on my door today. I can’t talk to anyone though because I’m on my perma-conference call.

[Velvetshady]

Nov 3, 2017 9:22:58 GMT -5 bowies said:

Nov 3, 2017 8:18:21 GMT -5 Velvetshady said:

Meh. I'm hoping it will sway back any voters that "swayed" to Gillespie over the MS-13 pile of lies. It's not like *this* is the issue educated voters are making their pick based on. So if it sways back some of the uneducated/reactionary voters, I'm not mad. It's not like these two are sooo close on other issues that *this* one issue would be the difference in why you vote for either.

I don’t think anybody was swayed from Northam to Gillespie. I do think it will motivate a fair number of the “I don’t give a fuck about Gillespie” Trump voters to show up and vote though. That’s who these ads are aiming for - the ones who won’t pass up an opportunity to vote against the scary “other” they love to hate.

And maybe Northam saying he wont create sanctuary cities will get *those* voters unmotivated to show up. Worth attempting IMO. I just don't think it reduces the number of people voting for Northam that are going to actually vote, not going to change number of "I'd vote for Northam if I bothered to vote but not going to vote" voters, and it *might* convince some of the "I'm only voting because Ed scared my racist ass to vote against Northam" voters to stay home. Yes, I realize I'm hoping for a lot here

[heyjude]

Well I’m sure the Latino families living in VA will love hearing that.

:/

[mbcdefg]

Kim Guadagno (Republican candidate for NJ Governor) is airing a “Phil Murphy wants sanctuary cities/terrorists!!!” as as well. Luckily she’s extremely unpopular anyway by virtue of being Chris Christie’s lieutenant governor.

So frustrating that nobody wants to bother to hear what a sanctuary city actually is. It’s not a fucking get out of jail free card for committing murder. I had a long, pointless conversation with someone on my congressional district’s FB page about this. She just refused to listen.

[katieinthecity]

I hate everything.

[heat40]

I'm uncomfortable with everything about that race.

[karinothing]

Did you all see the add a group put out in support of Northam. It shows a Gillespie supporter chasing down immigrant children with a truck. I mean insensitive in light of what happened in Charlottesville and what happened recently in NOVA with that poor girl. I just think it is in poor taste.

www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-ad-features-minority-kids-chased-by-truck-with-gillespie-sticker-confederate-flag/2017/10/30/7311fdda-bd6f-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.7d41796a00ef

[notsocreepylurker]

Nov 3, 2017 9:45:01 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Kim Guadagno (Republican candidate for NJ Governor) is airing a “Phil Murphy wants sanctuary cities/terrorists!!!” as as well. Luckily she’s extremely unpopular anyway by virtue of being Chris Christie’s lieutenant governor.

So frustrating that nobody wants to bother to hear what a sanctuary city actually is. It’s not a fucking get out of jail free card for committing murder. I had a long, pointless conversation with someone on my congressional district’s FB page about this. She just refused to listen.

I've been visiting my dad this week in NJ so I get to see that lovely ad multiple times a day.  I always roll my eyes when they say this illegal immigrant murdered 3 high school kids. Phil Murphy wants a sanctuary state!"

I'm like - show me the WHOLE clip where he says he wants a sanctuary state. I am sure NO ONE asked him after telling him about the murders. But that is their spin - make it seem like Phil Murphy is OK with letting murderers stay here.

[bowies]

Nov 3, 2017 10:04:10 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Did you all see the add a group put out in support of Northam. It shows a Gillespie supporter chasing down immigrant children with a truck. I mean insensitive in light of what happened in Charlottesville and what happened recently in NOVA with that poor girl. I just think it is in poor taste.

www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-ad-features-minority-kids-chased-by-truck-with-gillespie-sticker-confederate-flag/2017/10/30/7311fdda-bd6f-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.7d41796a00ef

Yes, another leftie group acting as it pleases. I saw that they only bought $30K of airtime so it was designed explicitly to get a reaction on social media.

Dave Weigel (WaPo reporter) tweeted this morning that the Left Tea Party has arrived. But, honestly, how do we even know these groups are “honest” lefties? Could be more Russian money masquerading as activist groups to sow chaos.

[karinothing]

Nov 3, 2017 10:18:03 GMT -5 bowies said:

Nov 3, 2017 10:04:10 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Did you all see the add a group put out in support of Northam. It shows a Gillespie supporter chasing down immigrant children with a truck. I mean insensitive in light of what happened in Charlottesville and what happened recently in NOVA with that poor girl. I just think it is in poor taste.

www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-ad-features-minority-kids-chased-by-truck-with-gillespie-sticker-confederate-flag/2017/10/30/7311fdda-bd6f-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.7d41796a00ef

Yes, another leftie group acting as it pleases. I saw that they only bought $30K of airtime so it was designed explicitly to get a reaction on social media.

Dave Weigel (WaPo reporter) tweeted this morning that the Left Tea Party has arrived. But, honestly, how do we even know these groups are “honest” lefties? Could be more Russian money masquerading as activist groups to sow chaos.

Well, Northam accepted a 62K inkind contribution from the group running the ad. But I am not sure that means anything. Like he might just have to accept anything that anyone makes for him as inkind (I am not an expert on VA campaign finance laws). www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00562777

I don't think they are Russian backed.

[thejackpot]

I saw this last night and my only consolation is that most people are not as invested in these campaigns and will likely not sway from their position/candidate. If you were voting for Northam because of his policies etc. you are not voting Gillespie. Voter turnout is going to be the determining factor.

[bowies]

OK, well, now the sane voices are saying to be worried. Polling is tied up.

ETA: My gut is saying Gillespie by 4.

[karinothing]

Nov 3, 2017 15:59:37 GMT -5 bowies said:

OK, well, now the sane voices are saying to be worried. Polling is tied up.

ETA: My gut is saying Gillespie by 4.

Stop

[bowies]

Nov 3, 2017 20:27:32 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Nov 3, 2017 15:59:37 GMT -5 bowies said:

OK, well, now the sane voices are saying to be worried. Polling is tied up.

ETA: My gut is saying Gillespie by 4.

Stop

I’m sorry! I’ve never seen anything like it.

[notsopicky]

What (or who) is DFA?

[karinothing]

Nov 3, 2017 21:08:11 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

What (or who) is DFA?

Democracy for America. Howard dean's group.

[notsopicky]

Nov 3, 2017 21:14:07 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Nov 3, 2017 21:08:11 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

What (or who) is DFA?

Democracy for America. Howard dean's group.

Thank you.

[bowies]

The “why Northam lost” posts have already started appearing on Twitter.