Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent

[ufcasey]

www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/


I'm not trying to downplay her accusations, but this photo seems like he isn't even touching her. It's completely immature and uncalled for, but I don't think this is evidence of him groping her. The rest of it though...ugh I'm a fucking idiot, no excuses.

[hopecounts]

He’s touching her chest (his fingers are touching her flack vest over her breast) while she is sleeping that is not OK.
And given the rest of her experience with him He needs to resign.

[heyjude]

Nov 16, 2017 11:37:05 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/


I'm not trying to downplay her accusations, but this photo seems like he isn't even touching her. It's completely immature and uncalled for, but I don't think this is evidence of him groping her. The rest of it though...ugh

What?! No. This is absolutely terrible.

[isabel]

Uh? He admitted to touching her and said it was "meant to be funny." Regardless, touching or not, nothing about that is remotely funny. Get out of here with that nonsense.

He also forcibly kissed her and rammed his tongue down her throat.

These fucking men. Get out, Franken!

eta: His "apology" - Sen. Franken provided the following statement to Fox 9 on Thursday: "I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn't. I shouldn't have done it."

www.fox9.com/news/leeann-tweeden-franken

[ufcasey]

His response:

[Deleted]

We're discussing it in the big sexual harassment thread.

And he is touching her in the photo, but even if he weren't, it's still gross. It's still objectifying a woman without her consent - and photographing it!

Nope. Gross. No justification for that.

[KB]

Nov 16, 2017 11:37:05 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/


I'm not trying to downplay her accusations, but this photo seems like he isn't even touching her. It's completely immature and uncalled for, but I don't think this is evidence of him groping her. The rest of it though...ugh

No. He needs to go. 

[ufcasey]

Are his hands touching her - I thought they were hovering over her. If they are, even if it's just his fingertips - what the fuck dude. And really, considering his actions of kissing her, he probably is touching her in this photo. What an ass.

[pinkballoons]

Even if he's not actually touching her, simulating unwanted contact is still too far and a violation of her person. Especially since she was asleep and couldn't consent to that image.

He also forcefully kissed her and humiliated her during that trip.

Goddammit.

[ufcasey]

Nov 16, 2017 11:40:29 GMT -5 @angryharpy said:

We're discussing it in the big sexual harassment thread.

And he is touching her in the photo, but even if he weren't, it's still gross. It's still objectifying a woman without her consent - and photographing it!

Nope. Gross. No justification for that.

Whoops, sorry, missed it. I agree.

[pitta12]

[sushi]

I'm here all day for a female only society.

[ufcasey]

Here's the tour photo of them performing onstage together at the time of the incident.
(https://www.dvidshub.net/image/34111/hope-and-freedom-tour-06)

[stephogirl]

GODDAMMIT, AL!!!

[mbcdefg]

[andwhat]

What the fuck is your point ufcasey? Because she continued to be professional and do her job means that she was not really affected by the incident? Or maybe she did not even realize it happened until later because she was fucking asleep. As I frequently ask 45 supporters/Republicans, would you have a different response if this were a Republican? Your excuses are damn gross. And this is why women actually voted for 45.

[ufcasey]

Nov 16, 2017 11:50:05 GMT -5 connie0000 said:

Oh for fuck sakes.

Take a seat. And go hang out with the moms on ML that won't punish their kid for bringing a weapon to school and threatening another kid. Your judgment is right along their lines.

I don't think those things are similar at all, but I apologize. I really didn't think he was touching her in the photo. I have tons of experiences from my college years and younger where people did things to people who were sleeping, like putting whip cream on their hands, drawing on them, etc. So in light of that, I didn't think pretending to touch someone in a photo was particularly as heinous as actually touching them and messing with them physically. But I can see how it looks like I am being dismissive of the sexual nature of this staged photo and how it relates to her overall story. So I do sincerely apologize.

[Susie]

Whether or not his fingertips are actually touching her is irrelevant, it's clear what he's either doing or simulating, and it doesn't matter which it is.  She is there as a professional, and is being treated like an object.  

GTFO with that.

[iammalcolmx]

Oh boy

[andwhat]

Nov 16, 2017 11:56:12 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

Nov 16, 2017 11:50:05 GMT -5 connie0000 said:

Oh for fuck sakes.

Take a seat. And go hang out with the moms on ML that won't punish their kid for bringing a weapon to school and threatening another kid. Your judgment is right along their lines.

I don't think those things are similar at all, but I apologize. I really didn't think he was touching her in the photo. I have tons of experiences from my college years and younger where people did things to people who were sleeping, like putting whip cream on their hands, drawing on them, etc. So in light of that, I didn't think pretending to touch someone in a photo was particularly as heinous as actually touching them and messing with them physically. But I can see how it looks like I am being dismissive of the sexual nature of this staged photo and how it relates to her overall story. So I do sincerely apologize.

So those boys who were just simulating raping their black teammates were a-ok because they weren't actually doing it?

[hopecounts]

Nov 16, 2017 11:56:12 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

Nov 16, 2017 11:50:05 GMT -5 connie0000 said:

Oh for fuck sakes.

Take a seat. And go hang out with the moms on ML that won't punish their kid for bringing a weapon to school and threatening another kid. Your judgment is right along their lines.

I don't think those things are similar at all, but I apologize. I really didn't think he was touching her in the photo. I have tons of experiences from my college years and younger where people did things to people who were sleeping, like putting whip cream on their hands, drawing on them, etc. So in light of that, I didn't think pretending to touch someone in a photo was particularly as heinous as actually touching them and messing with them physically. But I can see how it looks like I am being dismissive of the sexual nature of this staged photo and how it relates to her overall story. So I do sincerely apologize.

He isn’t a fucking college student he is a grown man who should not be doing what he is doing.
He doesn’t get a pass because he is a D and a comedian

[ufcasey]

Nov 16, 2017 12:00:00 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Nov 16, 2017 11:56:12 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

I don't think those things are similar at all, but I apologize. I really didn't think he was touching her in the photo. I have tons of experiences from my college years and younger where people did things to people who were sleeping, like putting whip cream on their hands, drawing on them, etc. So in light of that, I didn't think pretending to touch someone in a photo was particularly as heinous as actually touching them and messing with them physically. But I can see how it looks like I am being dismissive of the sexual nature of this staged photo and how it relates to her overall story. So I do sincerely apologize.

So those boys who were just simulating raping their black teammates were a-ok because they weren't actually doing it?

No. I really am sorry. You're right, it's terrible either way. A woman shouldn't be groped or simulated groped. Neither is funny. Obviously I don't think rape/attempted rape/simulated rape is ok, ever.

[sushi]

This is not a case of do we call it assault or battery in court.

Whether it's a grope or simulation of a grope that is photographed the cause and effect are the same.

This is not whipped cream on hands.

[sofamonkey]

Nov 16, 2017 11:56:40 GMT -5 Susie said:

Whether or not his fingertips are actually touching her is irrelevant, it's clear what he's either doing or simulating, and it doesn't matter which it is.  She is there as a professional  a person that deserves respect and is being treated like an object.  

GTFO with that.

[ufcasey]

[sushi]

Nov 16, 2017 12:03:06 GMT -5 ufcasey said:

Nov 16, 2017 12:00:00 GMT -5 andwhat said:

So those boys who were just simulating raping their black teammates were a-ok because they weren't actually doing it?

No. I really am sorry. You're right, it's terrible either way. A woman shouldn't be groped or simulated groped. Neither is funny. Obviously I don't think rape/attempted rape/simulated rape is ok, ever.

It's not really obvious

[heyjude]

Even if he is NOT touching her, he damaged her by his actions. Is this the sort of person you want making laws on your behalf? A woman can be sexually harassed without a man laying a finger her. That’s doesn’t negate the harassment. Whatever this is, it’s apalling and he shouldn’t be allowed to be in the senate. He was a grown ass man when this happened. No excuses.

[pitta12]

Thread:

[nomad100]

I am so sick of men, and women, using the "it was a joke, lighten up. I am sorry you were offended." apology. THAT ISN'T AN APOLOGY.

Women's bodies are not punchlines to your joke, motherfucker.

[heyjude]

ufcasey would you like this picture to come up of you if you googled your name? How would it make you feel? Violated? Humiliated? Do you think someone doing that to you should be rewarded with one of our highest positions in government?