Secret ROmney video from private fundraiser

[emisi]

Have we discussed this? Someone snuck a video camera into a fundraiser for wealthy donors and came away with some pretty juicy unscripted thoughts from Romney. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Probably the juiciest part:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Nice that Romney thinks I'm a shiftless layabout. Good thing to say about half the people you want to preside over as President. And it's rich to say we pay no income tax, coming from him.

[pixy0stix]

How long ago is this? I thought the "47% don't pay taxes" line has been soundly found false.

[soontobeka]

Sept 17, 2012 17:19:16 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

How long ago is this? I thought the "47% don't pay taxes" line has been soundly found false.

It is from earlier in the year. You know that the Romney/Ryan campaign is allergic to facts.

[teflep]

1) if he doesn't make income (which he does and pays taxes), then he would pay income taxes. He does, though, but his issue is capital gains.
2) I am no fan of these. Kind of like how some dems mock republican voters for being dumb/anti woman/anti poor/uncaring.
3) and the 47% pay no taxes is only true if speaking to income. They do pay others
The 47 percent number is not wrong. The stimulus programs of the last two years — the first one signed by President George W. Bush, the second and larger one by President Obama — have increased the number of households that receive enough of a tax credit to wipe out their federal income tax liability.
www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html

[ladybrettashley]

The thing that pisses me off the most is they got exactly what they wanted... and now they're bitching about it. They wanted low taxes; the tea party was started because they thought they were taxed too much. Well now guess what, thanks to all the tax cuts, nearly half the country pays ZERO in income taxes. Can they still complain they're taxed too much? Nope, but now they have to piss and moan because some people are not taxed enough. And it's not even logical to complain that these people get "free stuff" without paying for it, since Paul Ryan's original budget proposed reducing the capital gains tax to ZERO. So I guess it's okay for some people to get free stuff without paying for it, but not others.

It's not like logic was ever their strong suit.

[bhnumbers]

Sept 17, 2012 17:28:51 GMT -5 @mx said:

The funny thing is, most of the people I know who support Romney fall into that 47%.

Oh stereotypes. Funny where they will get you.

exactly!!

[soontobeka]

Mitt Romney's campaign responded to the hidden camera footage of Romney at fundraiser claimg that Obama's voters are "are dependent upon government" and "believe that they are victims" posted online in a statement Monday evening. 

"Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy. As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work," Romney spokesperson Gail Gitcho said in a statement. "Mitt Romney's plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs."

From TPM

[smock]

So I guess if Mitt thinks Obama is automatically starting out with 47% of the vote, Romney really has no shot!

[Miss Phryne Fisher]

I have found in my adventures as a person who is friends with many people who are on government aid/pay absolutely no taxes that they are MORE likely to vote for Romney. I don't understand why, but they are more anti-poor people than anyone else I know. I guess they are a special circumstance snowflake and everyone else getting aid of any kind is a shiftless layabout?

[ttt]

Sept 17, 2012 18:49:15 GMT -5 Miss Phryne Fisher said:

I have found in my adventures as a person who is friends with many people who are on government aid/pay absolutely no taxes that they are MORE likely to vote for Romney. I don't understand why, but they are more anti-poor people than anyone else I know. I guess they are a special circumstance snowflake and everyone else getting aid of any kind is a shiftless layabout?

Fundamental attribution error in all its glory.

[agytay]

Sept 17, 2012 16:56:01 GMT -5 emisi said:

Have we discussed this? Someone snuck a video camera into a fundraiser for wealthy donors and came away with some pretty juicy unscripted thoughts from Romney. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Probably the juiciest part:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Nice that Romney thinks I'm a shiftless layabout. Good thing to say about half the people you want to preside over as President. And it's rich to say we pay no income tax, coming from him.

I think the juiciest part is the part about hispanics...

In the video, Romney is heard saying, "My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

[basilosaurus]

It would be helpful to be Latino?

No, it would be helpful to not be such a smug prick.

[emisi]

Sept 17, 2012 19:26:16 GMT -5 agytay said:

Sept 17, 2012 16:56:01 GMT -5 emisi said:

Have we discussed this? Someone snuck a video camera into a fundraiser for wealthy donors and came away with some pretty juicy unscripted thoughts from Romney. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Probably the juiciest part:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Nice that Romney thinks I'm a shiftless layabout. Good thing to say about half the people you want to preside over as President. And it's rich to say we pay no income tax, coming from him.

I think the juiciest part is the part about hispanics...

In the video, Romney is heard saying, "My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

Hey, nice that Romney admitted his dad wasn't really Constitutionally qualified to run for President back when he did so. And oh Mitt, he WAS born to Mexican parents. They were just white Mormons.

[smock]

Yes, because if history has taught us anything, it's that it's much easier to become president if you're a minority than if you're a white male.

[agytay]

Sept 17, 2012 19:56:54 GMT -5 @mx said:

Sept 17, 2012 19:26:16 GMT -5 agytay said:

I think the juiciest part is the part about hispanics...

In the video, Romney is heard saying, "My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

Wait this isn't the Onion? He really said that? If so, f you Mitt Romney.

Nope. Not the Onion at all...

www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57514624-503544/romney-courts-hispanics-wishes-he-were-one/

[ESF]

My facebook feed is blowing up with this right now.

Remember in 2008, when Obama kept playing that commercial where McCain said, "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" to paint him as out of touch, clueless, and incapable? I think we've found this year's equivalent.

Holy shit these remarks are insane.

[teflep]

Apparently, the video was shot by jimmy Carter's grandson? Interesting factoid. (just saw on dk)

[ESF]

Sept 17, 2012 21:26:23 GMT -5 teflep said:

Apparently, the video was shot by jimmy Carter's grandson? Interesting factoid. (just saw on dk)

Yes.

I met him once. We had beers together at a conference. He was cute. I flirted but got nowhere. Someone from another country said to him, "if you are from the South, you must be Republican." He looked at him like he had three heads and was like, "um, not quite."

[Deleted]

Sept 17, 2012 21:28:54 GMT -5 ESF said:

Sept 17, 2012 21:26:23 GMT -5 teflep said:

Apparently, the video was shot by jimmy Carter's grandson? Interesting factoid. (just saw on dk)

Yes.

I met him once. We had beers together at a conference. He was cute. I flirted but got nowhere. Someone from another country said to him, "if you are from the South, you must be Republican." He looked at him like he had three heads and was like, "um, not quite."

Cool, whose kid is he?

And with this gaffe, I think Romney might be done. It's true, America hates deadbeats. It seems to be our favorite sport to point fingers and bitch about the deadbeats. But you can't call nearly half of America deadbeats and expect that to go over well.
Every single person who voted for Obama expects a government handout? Get a freaking clue, Mitt.

Some of those who aren't paying income taxes are students who don't earn much and are exempt, and the elderly. And a lot of the rest would love to earn enough to pay, but they don't. But that doesn't mean they're on government aid, or that they're not paying payroll taxes, sales tax, etc.


And then some are....Exxon.

[EllieArroway]

Aren't like half of those non-income tax payers oldies on SS? AKA Romney supporters... Actually, I live in a really poor, really red state and I think most people I know who fit into that category are Romney supporters. It's probably too much to hope that they'll hate them for this, though, right?

[ttt]

7,000 of those who paid zero tax are millionaires:


www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/buffett-rule-rorschach-7-000-millionaires-paid-no-income-taxes-in-2011/245469/

[teflep]

Sept 17, 2012 21:40:02 GMT -5 sandsonik said:

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And then some are....Exxon.

I don't think this percentage includes corporations like apple or Exxon,

[casmgn]

Sept 17, 2012 22:01:31 GMT -5 teflep said:

Sept 17, 2012 21:40:02 GMT -5 sandsonik said:

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And then some are....Exxon.

I don't think this percentage includes corporations like apple or Exxon,

but they are people too!!!

[sonrisa]

Sept 17, 2012 17:28:51 GMT -5 @mx said:

The funny thing is, most of the people I know who support Romney fall into that 47%.

Oh stereotypes. Funny where they will get you.

Exactly. The people he is insulting - the ones who receive the EIC, for example - are more likely to be in those "red states" he is relying on winning.

[bhnumbers]

but wait, I thought Obama supporters were a bunch of elitist liberals!

[sonrisa]

Sept 17, 2012 22:18:07 GMT -5 bhnumbers said:

but wait, I thought Obama supporters were a bunch of elitist liberals!

Who feel like people are entitled to food, healthcare, housing... elitist scofflaws who think others should be sucking at the government teat.

[summer]

Was it Jason Carter? The one in office in GA? We went to high school together in IL.

[ESF]

Sept 17, 2012 23:39:35 GMT -5 summer said:

Was it Jason Carter? The one in office in GA? We went to high school together in IL.

That's who I assumed it was, but I googled just now to confirm and there's no specific links, but I saw something that suggested it was a different Carter grandson but nobody seems to be certain. So I've met Jason, who is apparently not the person who captured this video so I was wrong. Too funny you went to high school with him. He was adorable.

[agytay]

Sept 18, 2012 0:01:28 GMT -5 ESF said:

Sept 17, 2012 23:39:35 GMT -5 summer said:

Was it Jason Carter? The one in office in GA? We went to high school together in IL.

That's who I assumed it was, but I googled just now to confirm and there's no specific links, but I saw something that suggested it was a different Carter grandson but nobody seems to be certain. So I've met Jason, who is apparently not the person who captured this video so I was wrong. Too funny you went to high school with him. He was adorable.

One of my high school classmates is married to one of Jimmy Carter's grandson...it's not Jason though.

[Deleted]

I'm one of those who not only pays zero federal income tax, but I MAKE money off the government. Yay earned income tax credit (sarcasm).

Yet I'm voting for him. So I guess he's wrong on that one